Manchester United v Liverpool

Mocha Joe

The White Wolf wrote: »

Cabbage of a ref is the answer.

Ahahaha

8-10

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Eh what game you watching. Excellent match.

Seriously? It's all up in the air and scrappy balls. Don't remember either keeper making a serious save. One well taken goal. United offside a bunch. Liverpool comitting fouls and misplacing passes.

It's a terrible fixture year after year

CalamariFritti

8-10 wrote: »

Yeah I'm against it completely overall but I can't argue with the decisions today. Both correct and the better team are leading at the break

But Jesus I'd get rid of it in the morning if I could I can't stand it.

Agree on both accounts. But even today. Yes it hit Manes hand but what about him being pulled back just a split second before that? Where do you stop?

It has not improved decision making one bit. You still get ridiculous stuff like Delofeo yesterday for instance. And 1 inch offside? Surely that's level by any reasonable person and then its in favour of the attacker.

The way VAR is done in the EPL at the moment is a total joke. Clear and obvious error is a total cop out where they now have license to do whatever they feel like. It was actually better without.

8-10

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Liverpool poor or United just too good?

Both

tayto lover

Both Var decisions were correct imo.
The Liverpool player was far too eager to go to ground after being barely touched. Second was a clear handball.

mightyreds

It's going to be like the corporate ministry all over again, Atkinson will pull off the mask and it'll be Howard Webb all along

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

Both Var decisions were correct imo.
The Liverpool player was far too eager to go to ground after being barely touched. Second was a clear handball.

The theatrics involved has been a consistent theme of late for Liverpool. Players going down far too easily and exaggerating consistently

It's not always going to work for them

Fair play to the officiating on both counts so far

8-10

tayto lover wrote: »

Both Var decisions were correct imo.
The Liverpool player was far too eager to go to ground after being barely touched. Second was a clear handball.

I agree both were right, but I do think the first was a foul. I just don't think the goal should be taken away because of it. Liverpool needed to play to the whistle and defend even if it was a clean tackle and they didn't. Fair goal.

Peatys

marvin80 wrote: »

Neville reckons the scoreline is a fair reflection on the 1st half - slightly biased there!

Don't think so. They had a fantastic 45 mins. Nothing like a 14th place team

pablo128

The White Wolf wrote: »

Cabbage of a ref is the answer.

Bad diving and handball. All down to Liverpool players.

How is it bad refereeing? VAR made the decision.

Shanotheslayer

8-10 wrote: »

I agree both were right, but I do think the first was a foul. I just don't think the goal should be taken away because of it. Liverpool needed to play to the whistle and defend even if it was a clean tackle and they didn't. Fair goal.

Agree with 8-10 here. 9 times out of 10 that's a foul but players have to play the whistle.

Learn that at schoolboy level.

niallo27

tayto lover wrote: »

Both Var decisions were correct imo.
The Liverpool player was far too eager to go to ground after being barely touched. Second was a clear handball.

Ah man cmon. You have no agenda here. The first is a free kick every time. You know that

CalamariFritti

The thing I take away from it tis hat VAR has not actually reduced controversy but the opposite.

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marvin80 wrote: »

Neville reckons the scoreline is a fair reflection on the 1st half - slightly biased there!

It is, liverpool have been dreadful

niallo27

8-10 wrote: »

I agree both were right, but I do think the first was a foul. I just don't think the goal should be taken away because of it. Liverpool needed to play to the whistle and defend even if it was a clean tackle and they didn't. Fair goal.

Nobody stopped playing.

bangkok

Utd been much the better side first half

marvin80

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Accurate imo. Liverpool been terrible

Liverpool been sh*t but United not been dominant so I thought 0-0 would be a fair reflection.

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MD1990 wrote: »

Liverpool been poor.
10-2 in free kicks to Man Utd.

Every call going to Man Utd.

I didnt hear you Moan when VAR gave liverpool a penalty when Mane dived a few weeks back.

Thems the breaks.

Variance baby

Drumpot

Honestly don’t know what the rule is and I’ve seen plenty given for soft incidents like that, but the challange didn’t require Origi to go down and rightly or wrongly I think that’s what the VAR ref decided. In short, he felt some contact and dived. The question is whether any contact is automatically a foul. I prefer to see incidents like this go against the player being clever and making it a foul.

8-10

Would snap your hand off for a draw here right now.

See nothing on the bench that will improve us bar possibly Keïta. Might be an idea to haul off Origi for him, extra man in midfield and have Gini and him roam forward as needed

This is it

Liverpool poor enough from what I've seen. It was always a possibility that United would give them a game. Really missing Salah it would seem. Origi has been no threat as far as I can see.

I'd still expect a draw or Liverpool win but they'll need to sort themselves out quick, 45 minutes will fly by.

niallo27

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I didnt hear you Moan when VAR gave liverpool a penalty when Mane dived a few weeks back.

Thems the breaks.

Variance baby

Ref gave the pen not var.

tayto lover

niallo27 wrote: »

Ah man cmon. You have no agenda here. The first is a free kick every time. You know that

No it wasn’t. Barely any contact and it’s a contact sport.

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The White Wolf wrote: »

Don't think Carragher is the official spokesperson on the matter.

Fergie must have been onto Atkinson for old times sake.

Where were these conspiracies when you were winning 17 in a row. Surprising that feeder teams haven't had any issues getting results at old Trafford this season.

Here is a theory, Liverpool have been bang average and dont deserve a thing based on the first 45 minutes....

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niallo27 wrote: »

Ref gave the pen not var.

And VAR didnt over turn it, exactly like they disnt overturn the goal based on a foul against Origi

spockety

Origi was kicked on the calf by an opponent who didn't get near the ball. Debates about going down easy etc are fairly irrelevant. Is it a foul if a player kicks another player on the calf, or not?

tayto lover

I still think Liverpool will turn this around.
They can’t be as bad in the second half.

IncognitoMan

Orgi cost Liverpool the first goal not VAR. Had he not been rolling around on the floor trying to win a free he'd have been up to pressure McTominay and potentially cut out the pass into James. Nobody to blame but themselves there tbh.

Mane one had to be overturned, the standard has been set all season that as soon as it touches a hand of an attacker leading to a goal VAR will overturn it.

the whole year inn

tayto lover wrote: »

I still think Liverpool will turn this around.
They can’t be as bad in the second half.

No Salah is a big miss and he can't be replaced. Orgri is a few steps below .

pablo128

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I didnt hear you Moan when VAR gave liverpool a penalty when Mane dived a few weeks back.

Thems the breaks.

Variance baby

Yeah the pool fans have selective memory when it suits them.

votecounts

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mightyreds

Theatrics from Maguire gets the free that time

cj maxx

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Agree with 8-10 here. 9 times out of 10 that's a foul but players have to play the whistle.

Learn that at schoolboy level.

It didn't even look a foul until the behind shot clearly showed a boot to origis calf
We'll see a different pool this half I hope

mightyreds

James "knocked out" again

Shanotheslayer

Ref shouldn't be calling that back got VVD just outmuscling James.

Harry Palmr

Pathetic from James.

pablo128

cjmc wrote: »

It didn't even look a foul until the behind shot clearly showed a boot to origis calf
We'll see a different pool this half I hope

Unfortunately what they saw on VAR, as well as everyone else, was him grabbing his ankle when he went down.

I think the official name for it is 'simulation'.

s8n

I thought this incarnation of Liverpool were the greatest team to have ever played any sport in the entire history of the world.

This united team is dog sh1t

Whats going on ??

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Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Ref shouldn't be calling that back got VVD just outmuscling James.

Great decision. Could have died.

Adamcp898

Carragher still foaming at the mouth complaining about a player being “street wise” while there’s a screen in front of him showing the player receiving treatment

Father Hernandez

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Pathetic from James.

Player gets winded but is deemed pathetic.

No need for the ref to call it back but it's not pathetic.

mightyreds

pablo128 wrote: »

Unfortunately what they saw on VAR, as well as everyone else, was him grabbing his ankle when he went down.

I think the official name for it is 'simulation'.

Must have skipped the kick part

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Would Klopp not be better getting his team to play football rather then screaming at 4th officials

Mars Bar

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Pathetic from James.

That one does hurt. VVD is a brick house of a man. There was only going to be one winner there

I do think the ref should have played on. It's not a head injury

Pacifico

Shocking reffing all the same blowing up for that

Peatys

James doing a "James"

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Peatys wrote: »

James doing a "James"

Jesus...Never a free and game shouldn't have been stopped but that would hurt. VVD is a big big man

sReq | uTeK

Henderson.. what a player

tayto lover

Sniper in the crowd???

Shanotheslayer

Jesus I thought that James was play acting there. That is some smack from Matip.