"boycott Always sanitary towels for removing the Venus logo"

blueshade

Esperanza Lazy Woodpecker wrote: »

First the cross was airbrushed off Lidl's greek product range (must have offended someone),
now it's the Venus cross type logo, is taken off lady products.
What's next, roadsigns displaying crossings ahead?

FWIW I'm offended by boards shade of blue on their branding, it looks like PANTONE Blue 072 and simply I don't like this, it's offensive.
Would much rather have Reflex Blue 281, which is more suitable. If someone can escalate that ASAP!

Ahh FFS, did ya have to? I've two tester pots of Pantone to try on the bathroom walls and one of them is blue. Now what am I going to do, I can't risk offending people who use the toilet now?

4068ac1elhodqr

blueshade wrote: »

Ahh FFS, did ya have to? I've two tester pots of Pantone to try on the bathroom walls and one of them is blue. Now what am I going to do, I can't risk offending people who use the toilet now?

If it's a gender neutral toilet, there is a chance that any shade of blue would not be acceptable, and who knows, may even be met with brown in protest.

blueshade

blueshade wrote: »

It's out of control and it's just a symptom of a much bigger problem. Men who identify as women dominating women's sports because nobody is willing to point out that they have a physical advantage over women, that they aren't good enough to compete at the male level in events, that a man is not a woman no matter what. Don't give me nonsense about intersex. Introduce trans categories in sports and stop allowing people who say they identify as a gender they weren't born as to compete.

Making toilets and changing rooms gender neutral leaving females feeling vulnerable because a man who identifies as a woman doesn't want to change in the male areas or use the mens toilets. Allowing convicted rapists to change their gender to female and serve their time in a women's prison if they say they identify as female. The list goes on and on and on. It's madness.

I was happy to see scotland standing up a bit more against it recently.

this was one of the side effects of 'gender neutral bathrooms' in a school
https://www.theblaze.com/news/girls-refuse-to-use-gender-neutral-restrooms-in-schools


i haven't watched this yet, but it seems to be becoming more public. hopefully before much more damage is done to children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=4bX1xMo-jWE

Paulzx

bluewolf wrote: »

I was happy to see scotland standing up a bit more against it recently.

this was one of the side effects of 'gender neutral bathrooms' in a school
https://www.theblaze.com/news/girls-refuse-to-use-gender-neutral-restrooms-in-schools


i haven't watched this yet, but it seems to be becoming more public. hopefully before much more damage is done to children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=4bX1xMo-jWE

There are also plenty of boys/men who are not comfortable with sharing a bathroom with females. This works both ways.

Nobody seems to give a damn about the feelings of people who actually want to "identify" and stay as the gender they were born as.

It's turning into more of a power issue than an equality one

Paulzx

Paulzx wrote: »

There are also plenty of boys/men who are not comfortable with sharing a bathroom with females. This works both ways.

Nobody seems to give a damn about the feelings of people who actually want to "identify" and stay as the gender they were born as.

It's turning into more of a power issue than an equality one

i think for a lot of the men out there, it certainly is a power issue.

this harassment and intimidation wasn't a wish for 'equality'
https://womansplaceuk.org/2019/09/26/a-womans-place-is-at-conference/

Paulzx

bluewolf wrote: »

i think for a lot of the men out there, it certainly is a power issue.

this harassment and intimidation wasn't a wish for 'equality'
https://womansplaceuk.org/2019/09/26/a-womans-place-is-at-conference/

I had to look up what TERF meant when i read the article:(

beejee

No joke, I read the title and was going to post "but men use them too!"

This stuff has gone beyond absurdity, and the death knell needs to ring for social media like yesterday. Pure and utter poison, as healthy for individuals and society as sellotaping nuclear waste to your head.

colm_mcm

Something that may not be apparent is that the Venus symbol is on the wrappers of the individual pads rather than on the box.

Donnielighto

Bullet To The Head? wrote: »

A couple of years ago women were gushing over how stunning and brave Caitlyn Jenner was and any man who pointed out how ridiculous it was, was labeled a Nazi bigot. Now look at the mess you're in.

Hard to have sympathy. Ye made this bed for yourselves.

Just remember. Jenner killed a person and got away with it. Not on topic just think Jenner is scum.

Gynoid

I think most sensible people know at this stage how utterly messed up this whole transactivism palaver has been, from mutilated children to rapists with penises recorded in official crime stats as women, and a lot of horrific insanity in between.
What is more important now, rather than reacting fretfully to the fringe effects of this idiocy, is to delve deeply and smartly into the causes. Find out where this whole topsy turvy form of thinking came from, note the people who promoted the ideology.
It is a very subversive movement that intended long ago to uproot the essential meaning of anything called truth or reality. It is deconstructionist, it aims to destroy the foundations of reason. Nothing is true, or more true than anything else, according to this movement. There is no ground zero, no essential meaning, no purpose, no inherent dignity.
Gender theory is but one strand, which people like Judith Butler ran with, going wildly to the place where biological sex is torn asunder by moronic ideology even in the highest medical universities. There are many other strands, such as moral relativism, cultural relativism, the destruction of the literary canon, ultimately the dehumanisation of the human being. The roots of the thinking go back towards Georges Bataille, even the Marquis de Sade. Subversive perverts who somehow got a toehold in academic thought. It is a big story.

Gynoid

Gynoid wrote: »

I think most sensible people know at this stage how utterly messed up this whole transactivism palaver has been, from mutilated children to rapists with penises recorded in official crime stats as women, and a lot of horrific insanity in between.
What is more important now, rather than reacting fretfully to the fringe effects of this idiocy, is to delve deeply and smartly into the causes. Find out where this whole topsy turvy form of thinking came from, note the people who promoted the ideology.
It is a very subversive movement that intended long ago to uproot the essential meaning of anything called truth or reality. It is deconstructionist, it aims to destroy the foundations of reason. Nothing is true, or more true than anything else, according to this movement. There is no ground zero, no essential meaning, no purpose, no inherent dignity.
Gender theory is but one strand, which people like Judith Butler ran with, going wildly to the place where biological sex is torn asunder by moronic ideology even in the highest medical universities. There are many other strands, such as moral relativism, cultural relativism, the destruction of the literary canon, ultimately the dehumanisation of the human being. The roots of the thinking go back towards Georges Bataille, even the Marquis de Sade. Subversive perverts who somehow got a toehold in academic thought. It is a big story.

follow the money
https://4thwavenow.com/2016/07/11/follow-the-money-trans-billionaire-makes-new-1-million-grant-to-chicago-pediatric-transition-clinic/

there was another organisation sponsoring yaniv as well, iirc

Quantum Erasure

Her weapons were her crystal eyes Making every man a man
Black as the dark night she was, Got what no one else had

Ow
She's got it
Yeah, baby, she's got it
I'm your Venus, I'm your fire
At your desire

Gynoid

bluewolf wrote: »

follow the money
https://4thwavenow.com/2016/07/11/follow-the-money-trans-billionaire-makes-new-1-million-grant-to-chicago-pediatric-transition-clinic/

there was another organisation sponsoring yaniv as well, iirc

Money, yes. Theres always filthy lucre involved. But this is even worse. It is about utter demoralisation of human reason. How many I have seen on here over the years, who view themselves as good, clever people, defend the most utterly indefensible because they have lost the capacity to truly comprehend reality and the weight of things. Frightening really.

lainey_d_123

I'm already forced to 'boycott' them because of the goddamn disgusting 'anti-odour' perfume crap they insist on putting on all their pads.

Literally any doctor or nurse will tell women to avoid putting any kind of scented product anywhere near their vagina, so why on earth are these companies putting this completely pointless, unnecessary crap on their products?

Are we supposed to feel ashamed and worried that we might smell when on our periods? Is a sickly artificial scent which can trigger thrush, BV, eczema and any number of issues supposed to be better than any natural smell?

alan partridge aha

A good swift kick to the bollo5ks wouldn't go a stray.

Quantum Erasure

next it'll be Volvo removing the Mars symbol from their logo. mark my words.

its happening already,

4068ac1elhodqr

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

next it'll be Volvo removing the Mars symbol from their logo. mark my words.

Probably, they use it as the ancient chemical symbol for iron, which just happens to be the old Roman astrological symbol for manly Mars.

If they were still owned by Swe, they'd probably have lost it already. But volvo are now owned by Zhejiang Geely Holding (China) who would likely laugh off, or be very pleased, at the very notion it's strong semiotics.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

bluewolf wrote: »

I was happy to see scotland standing up a bit more against it recently.

this was one of the side effects of 'gender neutral bathrooms' in a school
https://www.theblaze.com/news/girls-refuse-to-use-gender-neutral-restrooms-in-schools


i haven't watched this yet, but it seems to be becoming more public. hopefully before much more damage is done to children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=4bX1xMo-jWE

Little girl me would have been a wee-holder-inner for sure.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Bullet To The Head? wrote: »

A couple of years ago women were gushing over how stunning and brave Caitlyn Jenner was and any man who pointed out how ridiculous it was, was labeled a Nazi bigot. Now look at the mess you're in.

Hard to have sympathy. Ye made this bed for yourselves.

A lot of women weren’t bothered either way. But you know that.

The Rape of Lucretia

And today we got a trans logo for the Paris Olympics. What is going on in this world ?

daveorourke77

I'm not very fond of other people.

These things don't help me to reconsider my position.

PsychoPete

Donnielighto wrote: »

Just remember. Jenner killed a person and got away with it. Not on topic just think Jenner is scum.

And also got the woman of the year award after that

Quantum Erasure

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

And today we got a trans logo for the Paris Olympics. What is going on in this world ?

https://img.lemde.fr/2019/10/21/0/0/2954/2954/688/0/60/0/4720a24_xOn_i9bVmi4i4W6jPJrSzUxM.png

That's actually a very clever logo, I don't see the trans in it tho

kowloon

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Be nice if the outrage fücknuggets on all sides of these tedious campaigns decided to boycott the internet. For ever, preferably.

Irish Guitarist

It's true, men do use them.

It wasn't the first time, however, that Lennon raised a ruckus at the Troubadour. A month earlier, Rolling Stone reported that a similarly inebriated Lennon, at the club to see soul singer Ann Peebles, somehow ended up with a sanitary napkin attached to his forehead. "Do you know who I am?" Lennon said, when a waitress questioned why he wasn't leaving a tip on the way out. "Yes," the waitress reportedly shot back. "You're some asshole with a Kotex on your head."

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-lennon-harry-nilsson-troubadour/

blueshade

Esperanza Lazy Woodpecker wrote: »

If it's a gender neutral toilet, there is a chance that any shade of blue would not be acceptable, and who knows, may even be met with brown in protest.

Maybe I should go with yellow, but then there's probably some problem with that. Now if only there were a handy list of things that are deemed offensive that would be useful. But I suppose with the number of things being considered offensive on a weekly basis they'd have to update the list constantly.

blueshade

Transgender cyclist ''Rachel'' who has won the title has lashed out against critics and has claimed women are either equal or they aren't. The guy is a Dr in philosophy who still has all his man bits but decided that he is a she when he decided to take up competitive cycling. Them's the rules folks, men competing in women's sports can do so with all their tackle in place, so long as they reduce their testosterone level. It's unfair and it's insane. Young girls are dedicating themselves to sports, sacrificing a lot to dedicate the time to their training only to face losing time after time after time to a man who claims he's a woman because he's not good enough to compete at the men's level and the sports bodies are giving in to it. Imagine looking at your daughter putting in all that effort with no chance at all of winning against a man. At this rate the number of female athletes is going to fall when girls decide not to bother anymore and who could blame them?

Gynoid

blueshade wrote: »

Transgender cyclist ''Rachel'' who has won the title has lashed out against critics and has claimed women are either equal or they aren't. The guy is a Dr in philosophy who still has all his man bits but decided that he is a she when he decided to take up competitive cycling. Them's the rules folks, men competing in women's sports can do so with all their tackle in place, so long as they reduce their testosterone level. It's unfair and it's insane. Young girls are dedicating themselves to sports, sacrificing a lot to dedicate the time to their training only to face losing time after time after time to a man who claims he's a woman because he's not good enough to compete at the men's level and the sports bodies are giving in to it. Imagine looking at your daughter putting in all that effort with no chance at all of winning against a man. At this rate the number of female athletes is going to fall when girls decide not to bother anymore and who could blame them?

McKinnon is a big ignorant cheating lardy knob-head.
There. I feel better.

blueshade

Gynoid wrote: »

McKinnon is a big ignorant cheating lardy knob-head.
There. I feel better.

Exactly. I'm getting really tired of hearing about equality when the reality is that some people are more equal than others. Some animals are more equal than others. One could suggest that we introduce categories for trans athletes but the reality is that there simply aren't enough of them for that to be possible. It needs to be acknowledged that sports are not a basic human right and being allowed to compete in a sport at a competitive level is not a human right either. No point talking about a level playing field for women when the winner of the women's competition is stood in first place on the podium sporting a massive erection.

nkl12xtw5goz70

Gynoid wrote: »

What is more important now, rather than reacting fretfully to the fringe effects of this idiocy, is to delve deeply and smartly into the causes. Find out where this whole topsy turvy form of thinking came from, note the people who promoted the ideology.
It is a very subversive movement that intended long ago to uproot the essential meaning of anything called truth or reality. It is deconstructionist, it aims to destroy the foundations of reason. Nothing is true, or more true than anything else, according to this movement. There is no ground zero, no essential meaning, no purpose, no inherent dignity.
Gender theory is but one strand, which people like Judith Butler ran with, going wildly to the place where biological sex is torn asunder by moronic ideology even in the highest medical universities. There are many other strands, such as moral relativism, cultural relativism, the destruction of the literary canon, ultimately the dehumanisation of the human being. The roots of the thinking go back towards Georges Bataille, even the Marquis de Sade. Subversive perverts who somehow got a toehold in academic thought. It is a big story.

You're right that it has a long history, but social constructionist thought began taking over universities in a major way in the '70s and '80s, propelled by the rise of deconstruction, historicism, etc., and has only gained momentum from there.

Academic feminists have long promoted the argument that gender is historically, socially, and culturally constituted—but now it would seem that these efforts to theorize gender out of existence are causing real harm to real people.

Gynoid

Laurie Whining Tequila wrote: »

You're right that it has a long history, but social constructionist thought began taking over universities in a major way in the '70s and '80s, propelled by the rise of deconstruction, historicism, etc., and has only gained momentum from there.

Academic feminists have long promoted the argument that gender is historically, socially, and culturally constituted—but now it would seem that these efforts to theorize gender out of existence are causing real harm to real people.

Agreed . There is blame to be acknowledged by theoretical feminists, but they were largely used as tools.

nkl12xtw5goz70

Gynoid wrote: »

There is blame to be acknowledged by theoretical feminists, but they were largely used as tools.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Who used them as tools?

Gynoid

Gynoid wrote: »

Agreed . There is blame to be acknowledged by theoretical feminists, but they were largely used as tools.

Ye i think the radfems have been fighting this the whole time

suicide_circus

when society voluntarily (or via coercion) plays along in a lie, even if the intention is kindness, it has consequences.

Gynoid

Laurie Whining Tequila wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean here. Who used them as tools?

If you want to deconstruct a civilisation you got to get a first bite with the crowbar somewhere. The overall post modern movement used feminism as it was a strongly established early facet of identitarian politics. An example of the extreme extrapolation of one idea eg the labour of motherhood, from the early feminists, is the present thrust towards surrogacy and in some areas this is argued in a very radical way, almost a wombs for the collective type of thing. Eg as argued by Sophie Lewis.

Gynoid

bluewolf wrote: »

Ye i think the radfems have been fighting this the whole time

Mostly it is the older feminists actually. The rad fems have come on board later, some of them. But far from all, look at the lesbians being removed from marches, meetings etc, often by third or fourth wave feminists.

Edit overall i have to say i am calling the backlash as having started with older gals of my generation and more. It was a seriously wtf reaction to the madness, some lost their jobs and all. Glad to say it is catching fire more generally though.

Gynoid

Gynoid wrote: »

Mostly it is the older feminists actually. The rad fems have come on board later, some of them. But far from all, look at the lesbians being removed from marches, meetings etc, often by third or fourth wave feminists.

Edit overall i have to say i am calling the backlash as having started with older gals of my generation and more. It was a seriously wtf reaction to the madness, some lost their jobs and all. Glad to say it is catching fire more generally though.

2nd wave might be more accurate for me to say so?

Just came from a reddit thread where anyone objecting to the "period-havers" title got deleted and banned as "terfs" . Tiring

daveorourke77

I will never understand why stories like his are afforded the oxygen of publicity.

Gynoid

bluewolf wrote: »

2nd wave might be more accurate for me to say so?

Just came from a reddit thread where anyone objecting to the "period-havers" title got deleted and banned as "terfs" . Tiring

Yeah in or around second wave, Im guessing. Im a feminist in the sense of an egalitarian, I just dont recognise modern feminism at all. Creeps me out.

nkl12xtw5goz70

Gynoid wrote: »

If you want to deconstruct a civilisation you got to get a first bite with the crowbar somewhere. The overall post modern movement used feminism as it was a strongly established early facet of identitarian politics.

Fair enough — but I don't think it's fair to represent feminists simply as tools used by a broader postmodern movement. Hélène Cixous, Luce Irigaray, Julia Kristeva, etc., were important instigators of the poststructuralist movement that led to where we are today. You already mentioned the attack on the literary canon, which I agree is important — especially given that the most prominent of its remaining defenders, Harold Bloom, died last week — because the poststructuralists figured out that if you can dismantle a culture's literature, you can go a long way to destroying its values. Feminists eagerly participated in the destruction of the literary canon as well.

Gynoid

Laurie Whining Tequila wrote: »

Fair enough — but I don't think it's fair to represent feminists simply as tools used by a broader postmodern movement. Hélène Cixous, Luce Irigaray, Julia Kristeva, etc., were important instigators of the poststructuralist movement that led to where we are today. You already mentioned the attack on the literary canon, which I agree is important — especially given that the most prominent of its remaining defenders, Harold Bloom, died last week — because the poststructuralists figured out that if you can dismantle a culture's literature, you can go a long way to destroying its values. Feminists eagerly participated in the destruction of the literary canon as well.

Yes okay perhaps some were rather initiators or causes rather than tools. Certainly Judith Butler in the case of trans. I just think a lot of people did not have the larger picture vision and were blindly excited by the punk style breaking up of the world. Anyways Im not an expert, just an observer

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Bullet To The Head? wrote: »

Ha sure.

Okay, so you don’t know that. Spend more time with real life women.

nkl12xtw5goz70

Gynoid wrote: »

Yes okay perhaps some were rather initiators or causes rather than tools. Certainly Judith Butler in the case of trans. I just think a lot of people did not have the larger picture vision and were blindly excited by the punk style breaking up of the world. Anyways Im not an expert, just an observer

There was definitely a punk-rock aspect to it, a desire to tear apart the patriarchal, capitalist, traditional world order. That said, I don't think academics such as Derrida and Foucault ever expected to have the impact that they did — but it has snowballed over decades, and things have definitely gotten out of control now.

I don't think anyone would disagree that excellent female writers and writers of colour should be included in the literary canon. But that's different from deconstructing the canon entirely so that college students can get the same credit for a course on comic books as they get from one on Shakespeare.

Similarly, every right-minded person should support gender equality. Men and women should have the same rights and responsibilities. But that's different from deconstructing gender entirely, arguing that there is no "essential" quality to being a man or a woman, and proposing that anyone can identify as anything.

One eyed Jack

The whole thing strikes me as similar to the Gillette campaign a few weeks back, and the backlash that happened afterwards. The same company, Procter and Gamble, that manufactures Gillette products, also manufactures Always products. They’re recognising that if they want to continue to make profits, they have to expand their target market, and that’s why as far as I can see they’re now marketing their products (both male and female products) towards new potential customers.

I don’t imagine their motives are all that much about social justice, inclusion and diversity, it’s simply about increasing their market share and increasing their profits. They may lose a few customers who are willing to boycott their products, but they’re banking on gaining many more new customers loyal to their brands.

mfceiling

We're moving towards the end of days.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Antares35 wrote: »

Is it women who identify as men so therefore still menstruate or something? I dunno, I got a headache trying to figure it out. Minus fun. I'll boycott them in a few months when I actually need to use them again! Or, I just won't care or remember by then

Yeah I think that’s it. To be honest I’d guess that this has been driven by one sad lonely and pathetic transgender person with absolutely nothing going on in their sad little life other than examining labels on products to see if they can find something to be outraged about. They’re angry at the world and see this type of nonsense as some kind of release.

What makes it really sad is the Always or whatever company makes them were swayed by it and removed a logo.

It would be safe to assume that the percentage of people who use the products but don’t identify as female is absolutely minuscule.

The world is well and truely fûcked when this kind of rubbish drives actions like the above.

4068ac1elhodqr

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don’t imagine their motives are all that much about social justice, inclusion and diversity, it’s simply about increasing their market share and increasing their profits. They may lose a few customers who are willing to boycott their products, but they’re banking on gaining many more new customers loyal to their brands.

Jillette's woke “toxic masculinity” advert coincided with P&G’s $8 billion non-cash writedown. They also displayed grand hypocrisy, applying a 'pink tax' levered on lady razors which don't really cost any more to make thank mens.

Think it's fair to say, companies such as these, have their heads up their own holes. They will likely continue to suffer further boycotts and profit drops. They will loose more customers than gain.

One eyed Jack

Esperanza Lazy Woodpecker wrote: »

Jillette's woke “toxic masculinity” advert coincided with P&G’s $8 billion non-cash writedown. They also displayed grand hypocrisy, applying a 'pink tax' levered on lady razors which don't really cost any more to make thank mens.

Think it's fair to say, companies such as these, have their heads up their own holes. They will likely continue to suffer further boycotts and profit drops. They will loose more customers than gain.

It’s hard to say really, I mean, $8Bn is by no means chump change or anything and no shareholders would be happy with those kinds of losses, but I wouldn’t say the Gillette advert was entirely responsible for their losses either (have you seen their latest advertising campaign for Venus razors? ).

I would suggest that a lot of it is down to shifting consumer trends to better value products, and in the case of sanitary products for women, mooncups and reusable cloth pads to be gaining in popularity, causing a slump in sales of feminine hygiene products. Solution? Invest more money in new product development, or market the “old reliables” to potential new customers.

jimgoose

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s hard to say really, I mean, $8Bn is by no means chump change or anything and no shareholders would be happy with those kinds of losses, but I wouldn’t say the Gillette advert was entirely responsible for their losses either (have you seen their latest advertising campaign for Venus razors? ).

I would suggest that a lot of it is down to shifting consumer trends to better value products, and in the case of sanitary products for women, mooncups and reusable cloth pads to be gaining in popularity, causing a slump in sales of feminine hygiene products. Solution? Invest more money in new product development, or market the “old reliables” to potential new customers.

Gillette gear is outrageously expensive, and I shifted to Aldi's perfectly decent and much cheaper five-blade system a while back. I only use Gillette's shaving gel nowadays. I will say that that stupid ad of theirs didn't exactly help their case, either. :pac:

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

And today we got a trans logo for the Paris Olympics. What is going on in this world ?

For the most part, that logo is okay (if a little dull). I’m guessing it’s supposed to be a gold medal. But the addition of the lips changes it to looking like a logo for a beauty product. And if you look at the logos for previous games, they rarely reference gender. London 2012 did and a few others had stylised sexless figures. That’s it.