39 people found dead in trailer in UK

LillySV

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but would the UK press, especially the more rabid brexiteer peddling ones be zoning in on the "Irish connection" both in a case of one upmanship, due to the EU having Ireland's back during their negotiations, but also to drive home the illegal migrants message they want to reinforce ref their borders?

Your Irish press are 5 times worse.look at the indo. they are the ones listing out all the searches being carried out here and then mentioning the driver.... leading readers to conclusion that driver is the leader of the smuggling cartel

Boggles

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but would the UK press, especially the more rabid brexiteer peddling ones be zoning in on the "Irish connection" both in a case of one upmanship, due to the EU having Ireland's back during their negotiations, but also to drive home the illegal migrants message they want to reinforce ref their borders?

The telegraph are trying to wedge in an IRA connection.

yourdeadwright

Biggest question is why did the driver open the reefer ?
If all 38 people where dead what was his reason ?
Container's are sealed with seal bolts are only ever opened at the delivery point , What reason did he give for opening the container ?

Boggles

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Biggest question is why did the driver open the reefer ?
If all 38 people where dead what was his reason ?
Container's are sealed with seal bolts are only ever opened at the delivery point , What reason did he give for opening the container ?

39 people. Maybe it wasn't sealed or the security was tampered with.

yourdeadwright

Boggles wrote: »

39 people. Maybe it wasn't sealed or the security was tampered with.

All drivers check the seals before they leave the collection points,
Even if it was slightly open he'd just close the door he wouldn't be looking into the container ,

Now I think of it its highly likely when he went around a corner the 39 bodies made noise as horrible as it is to say or think of 38 bodies will certainly make noise in the back of the container,
So he probably got out to check if the load was secured ,

Neyite

Bob the Seducer wrote: »

From what we know, the driver being held was in possession of the trailer for at most 35 minutes, why is that never properly highlighted?

The only reason I can think of for his continued detention would have been that if he is the last driver in the chain then he would be a person of interest along with whoever was supposed to sign for the shipment given that those two would likely have unsealed the unit and opened it and police need to fully rule out that they weren't part of a trafficking chain.



He still should not have been named. That's disgraceful.

IRE60

Here's a line from The Sun (health warning is in place) which I can't see elsewhere.

"Driver Maurice 'Mo' Robinson, 25, was arrested after he picked the trailer up from Purfleet in Essex around 30 minutes before the grim discovery"

Now if you read that as stated he was lifted first, then the discovery?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

The telegraph are trying to wedge in an IRA connection.

The fact that there were a number of "Patriots" on here quickly claiming the guy had UVF connections would back up that theory, would it not?

Patriots with a very low post count, I hasten to add.

volchitsa

IRE60 wrote: »

Here's a line from The Sun (health warning is in place) which I can't see elsewhere.

"Driver Maurice 'Mo' Robinson, 25, was arrested after he picked the trailer up from Purfleet in Essex around 30 minutes before the grim discovery"

Now if you read that as stated he was lifted first, then the discovery?

That would certainly put a new light on it. Or it could just be bad English.
Hard to say.

Esse85

Where do we think these poor people that died are from?
You'd have to imagine some are related too.

In similar cases do these people carry I.D or will it be difficult identify and trace down their family members I wonder?

The grief the families must be going through is so sad.

Boggles

IRE60 wrote: »

Here's a line from The Sun (health warning is in place) which I can't see elsewhere.

"Driver Maurice 'Mo' Robinson, 25, was arrested after he picked the trailer up from Purfleet in Essex around 30 minutes before the grim discovery"

Now if you read that as stated he was lifted first, then the discovery?

Everything I have read states the ambulance crew notified the police.

Boggles

yourdeadwright wrote: »

All drivers check the seals before they leave the collection points,
Even if it was slightly open he'd just close the door he wouldn't be looking into the container ,

Now I think of it its highly likely when he went around a corner the 39 bodies made noise as horrible as it is to say or think of 38 bodies will certainly make noise in the back of the container,
So he probably got out to check if the load was secured ,

Yeah, something made him check the load which he did, found the grim scene, rang for an ambulance, they then rang the police.

I would imagine he has nothing to do with it.

IRE60

Boggles wrote: »

Everything I have read states the ambulance crew notified the police.

I agree - and I'd add that that the reporting has been a stretch at best in places - but the timeline seems to be shifting all the time and the 'facts' seem, fluid at best. I see the indo, mail and telegraph have managed to drag in political factions in NI into the mix. Not that they are beyond reproach, but it's a bit early to be sharpening that axe.

FrancieBrady

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, something made him check the load which he did, found the grim scene, rang for an ambulance, they then rang the police.

I would imagine he has nothing to do with it.

If he knew about it, he behaved oddly.
My sense is that he knew nothing about it. Whether the owners knew is another matter though and is probably what the searches in houses in NI are about.

Boggles

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If he knew about it, he behaved oddly.
My sense is that he knew nothing about it. Whether the owners knew is another matter though and is probably what the searches in houses in NI are about.

I doubt the owners new either.

A container like this is the last place you would put 39 people in. They are airtight apparently.

They either made their way in themselves or some inhuman scum charged them for the "privilege" of their own death.

Boggles

Reports they were all Chinese nationals.

funkey_monkey

Why would he open and check it in that location? Dead bodies would not make sufficient noise to be heard over the truck engine.
I think he is innocent, but the location seems odd.

GolfNut33

A cheap battery drill would have saved them. If the air was getting low, drill a few holes in the walls.

SusieBlue

I feel horrifically sad for that poor driver, he must be absolutely distraught.
Shame on the media that named him and plastered his face all over their publications without a shred of evidence. I hope he takes them to the cleaners and makes a fortune off them for what they have done to him.
Its just disgraceful that they could potentially ruin his reputation forever based on so little. People have taken their lives over far less (and I don't mean that in an insulting/dismissive way), I hope he's surrounded by supportive and helpful family & friends as he tries to come to terms with this media circus he unwittingly got caught up in.

Secondly, the 39 people who died. At one point there was one person left alive in that container.
They had watched the 38 others suffer and die and they were the last one left, all alone, probably terrified and in pain, knowing they'd soon succumb to the same fate....I can't even begin to imagine how distressing that was.
It sounds like pure torture and it doesn't bear thinking about, a truly horrible way to go.
RIP to them all. Its just so sad.

Akabusi

I used to do a lot of work in a factory in Dunkirk. One day when I was there I met about 15 asylum seekers being escorted up the factory floor by one of the managers. The factory had gotten a delivery in and when they opened the container out jumped the asylum seekers, whose first word was England?
Talking to the French guys this would happen every now and again. When they found them they just escorted them of the property and they'd make their way to the local refugee camp. No idea when or where they get into the containers but as in my experience it is a big surprise to the transport company and the owner of the goods , this may be a similar case so its unfortunate the driver has been named. RIP to the victims, it shows the despair in these peoples lives that they would be willing to go through something like this to have a semblance of what we take for granted everyday.

The Satanist

Isn't it possible that the driver would be making several drop offs? For example, deliveries to several supermarkets? Perhaps he would have been checking to see where each load was positioned in the trailer and planning a route accordingly.

kona

SusieBlue wrote: »

Secondly, the 39 people who died. At one point there was one person left alive in that container.
They had watched the 38 others suffer and die and they were the last one left, all alone, probably terrified and in pain, knowing they'd soon succumb to the same fate....I can't even begin to imagine how distressing that was.
It sounds like pure torture and it doesn't bear thinking about, a truly horrible way to go.
RIP to them all. Its just so sad.

Id imagine they all just felt tired and went to sleep. I doubt there was much pain or suffering.

Sir Oxman

The Satanist wrote: »

Isn't it possible that the driver would be making several drop offs? For example, deliveries to several supermarkets? Perhaps he would have been checking to see where each load was positioned in the trailer and planning a route accordingly.

I doubt that trailer was scheduled for a multidrop.

FrancieBrady

The Satanist wrote: »

Isn't it possible that the driver would be making several drop offs? For example, deliveries to several supermarkets? Perhaps he would have been checking to see where each load was positioned in the trailer and planning a route accordingly.

Think it was just a standard groupage job. Moving a container from one point to another.

Harry Palmr

Boggles wrote: »

Reports they were all Chinese nationals.

Not the most obvious but imagine the journey they took to die in a fridge.

in 2004 Chinese illegals died on a tidal beach at Morecambe Bay picking cockleshells

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25914594

SusieBlue

kona wrote: »

Id imagine they all just felt tired and went to sleep. I doubt there was much pain or suffering.

I hope so, I can't bear the thoughts of them slowly suffocating after spending so long in a cramped container, probably without sufficient food/water or toilet facilities. Its just grim.

yourdeadwright

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Why would he open and check it in that location? Dead bodies would not make sufficient noise to be heard over the truck engine.
I think he is innocent, but the location seems odd.

I'm sorry but your so wrong ,
An experienced driver would without a shadow of a doubt would relaise something was up with 39 bodies in the back,

Have you ever drove a truck with a load that is not tied down or packed securely ? 39 bodies moving around in the back would be felt by the driver ,

Sir Oxman

The last time something of this scale happened in the UK was in 2000, 58 Chinese dead.

yourdeadwright

The Satanist wrote: »

Isn't it possible that the driver would be making several drop offs? For example, deliveries to several supermarkets? Perhaps he would have been checking to see where each load was positioned in the trailer and planning a route accordingly.

Its not how it works, the driver would be told before collecting the container where each drop off was and in what order,

Driver's do not decide for themselves it's simply not there job

FrancieBrady

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Not the most obvious but imagine the journey they took to die in a fridge.

in 2004 Chinese illegals died on a tidal beach at Morecambe Bay picking cockleshells

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25914594

The problem really is a double ended one.

I watched a documentary on these people and the conditions they are living in when they are successful are appalling.
The people exploiting them for money to ship them and those willing to employ them (Supposedly decent respectful farmers and business people) should be heavily penalised and imprisoned.

The claim that they 'didn't know they were illegal' was made by one southern English farmer and that is just a lie and a gross play of a system that is not really showing that it cares.