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39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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    #782
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    easypazz wrote: »
    Just quoting the police arrested the guy on suspicion of murder.

    There was 39 dead people in the back of his truck what else were they supposed to arrest him for? Plus if it’s an arrest on suspicion of murder they can hold him longer.


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    #783
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 52,012 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Hypothermia can cause you to take off clothing. Paradoxial undressing.

    How do you know that?
    Just curious.


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    #784
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,176 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    easypazz wrote: »
    No I havent solved anything. Its just hard to think all these irish people are just caught up in this by coincidence.

    Is that what you are expecting? All these irish people to b e released without charge and a criminal gang from some other country just happened to hire them in. Is that your read on this?

    I don't have a 'read' on it and I don't jump to conclusions.

    Irish people are no less likely to be involved in criminality than the next nationality.

    We will find out soon enough.


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    #785
    afkasurfjunkie
    Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭afkasurfjunkie


    tayto lover wrote: »
    How do you know that?
    Just curious.

    I know sod all about hypothermia but I’ve heard of that. Especially if you frequent the thread about climbing Mt Everest which was trending earlier this year or the Dyatolov Pass incident which is often mentioned in the unsolved mysteries thread. Some of the many educational threads I peruse on boards.


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    #786
    armaghlad
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    easypazz wrote: »
    Well the evidence I have seen so far is 4 irish arrested, 2 companies near the border involved in the lease of the trailer and tractor unit and not much else.

    It looks to me like an Irish criminal operation are involved.
    So not the IRA then like you earlier alluded to


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    #787
    pummice
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    Couple arrested in England are from Offaly and are named in Irish Daily Mail.

    Sky News reporting that social media reports from Vietnam are saying this was one of 3 trucks carrying over 100 immigrants into UK, the other 2 trucks made it, this one was delayed.


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    #788
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 52,012 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    pummice wrote: »
    Couple arrested in England are from Offaly and are named in Irish Daily Mail.

    Sky News reporting that social media reports from Vietnam are saying this was one of 3 trucks carrying over 100 immigrants into UK, the other 2 trucks made it, this one was delayed.

    If that’s true then it’s a huge operation and very lucrative.
    Hope they’re all caught and severely dealt with.

    There are a lot of mysterious people with a lot of mysterious wealth all over Ireland and I often wondered where their wealth came from. Living beyond visible means.


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    #789
    downcow
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    KingBobby wrote: »
    I didnt know that, thanks for the info. Then one would assume their end came from hypothermia? Either way, absolutely horrific

    Is there a report somewhere that they were undressed? Yes Hypothermia can cause people to take of clothes, because it causes confusion and irrational behaviour, but it would be highly unusual if everyone took off clothes. I would have thought most would have wrapped up and huddled up if they were hypothermic


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    #790
    downcow
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    How do you know that?
    Just curious.

    in short. A cold body restricts flow of blood to vital organs. as it deteriorates blood flow to brain decreases thus causing confusion and irrational, illogical behaviour - but that won't lead everyone to undress


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    #791
    KingBobby
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    downcow wrote: »
    Is there a report somewhere that they were undressed? Yes Hypothermia can cause people to take of clothes, because it causes confusion and irrational behaviour, but it would be highly unusual if everyone took off clothes. I would have thought most would have wrapped up and huddled up if they were hypothermic

    The crappy red top papers reported it https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10215863/essex-lorry-deaths-news-found-naked-bloody-handprints/


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    #792
    Calypso Realm
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    Latest is now a 22-year-old has been arrested at Dublin Port. Wanted by Essex Police.

    Looks like the other driver they were seeking. Arrived on a ferry from France. Truck he was driving impounded.


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    #793
    No Bills
    Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭No Bills


    Calypso Realm wrote: »
    Latest is now a 22-year-old has been arrested at Dublin Port. Wanted by Essex Police.
    Returning from France on a ferry. Seems to be the truck driver who was driving the truck and trailer while it was on the Continent. Perhaps the person who delivered the trailer to Zeebrugge.


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    #794
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    No Bills wrote: »
    Returning from France on a ferry. Seems to be the truck driver who was driving the truck and trailer while it was on the Continent. Perhaps the person who delivered the trailer to Zeebrugge.


    Noose is tightening.


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    #795
    Calypso Realm
    Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭Calypso Realm


    Apparently he's due to appear in the Criminal Court @ 4.30 and was arrested as a result of an outstanding court warrant for an offence committed.

    We'll hear more, I guess.


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    #796
    McMurphy
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    Jesus, I'm beginning to wonder if your man Mo was actually involved in this now, or was he "just a young buck, hungry for the road" as quite a few of my trucker pals described him.

    I wonder if 25 year old Mo and the 22 year old fella arrested know each other?

    I have my fingers crossed, not just for him - but for his family and friends that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, because at 25, and the press exposure he's gotten already, if he's involved in this, his life is as good as finished.


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    1641
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    I would think the authorities would have been looking for information from the company/individuals referred to in this IT report. It would seem relevant background material:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/gps-data-reveals-trajectory-of-refrigerated-trailer-in-which-migrants-died-1.4063110


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    1641
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    Mo Robinson charged with manslaughter and other offences. (Sky -breaking news)


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    #799
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    The longer the driver is held, the worse it is looking for him. I guess you could say he is helping with enquiries and I hope for his sake he is innocent. But if anyone is guilty I hope they go down for an awfully long time for this.
    This also won't help the anti Irish sentiment in some quarters in GB (specifically England TBH) around Ireland holding back Brexit.


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    Harry Palmr
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    So then the man from "Monaghan" has been charged after 4 days, it was that or release him so hopefully they charged him with good back up evidence rather than to keep him in the system and maybe talking.


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    #801
    lola85
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Jesus, I'm beginning to wonder if your man Mo was actually involved in this now, or was he "just a young buck, hungry for the road" as quite a few of my trucker pals described him.

    I wonder if 25 year old Mo and the 22 year old fella arrested know each other?

    I have my fingers crossed, not just for him - but for his family and friends that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, because at 25, and the press exposure he's gotten already, if he's involved in this, his life is as good as finished.

    And his missus is pregnant with twins.

    More lives destroyed.


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    #802
    funkey_monkey
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    So then the man from "Monaghan" has been charged after 4 days, it was that or release him so hopefully they charged him with good back up evidence rather than to keep him in the system and maybe talking.

    Why Monagahan in quotes - it was known from start that he was from Portadown


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    #803
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Jesus, I'm beginning to wonder if your man Mo was actually involved in this now, or was he "just a young buck, hungry for the road" as quite a few of my trucker pals described him.

    I wonder if 25 year old Mo and the 22 year old fella arrested know each other?

    I have my fingers crossed, not just for him - but for his family and friends that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, because at 25, and the press exposure he's gotten already, if he's involved in this, his life is as good as finished.

    Charged to appear at Chelmsford magistrates court on Monday next.


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    #804
    funkey_monkey
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    If he's lucky he'll be out to see them getting married.


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    #805
    Boggles
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    Multiple charges, they appear to think he was in the thick of it.

    He has obviously come clean and blown the whole thing apart.


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    #806
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    funkey_monkey wrote: »
    Why Monagahan in quotes - it was known from start that he was from Portadown

    Sure but I was referring back to "derrymcorry" he got a bee in his bonnet about the drivers origins and then got banned.


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    #807
    cmac2009
    Registered Users Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    Boggles wrote: »
    Multiple charges, they appear to think he was in the thick of it.

    He has obviously come clean and blown the whole thing apart.

    Interested to see if we hear from his sister, hopefully she can clear all this up with an informative Facebook post.


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    #808
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Jesus, I'm beginning to wonder if your man Mo was actually involved in this now, or was he "just a young buck, hungry for the road" as quite a few of my trucker pals described him.

    Lure of a few easy quid. 30min drive open the doors, get a wad of cash. Easy money.
    I wonder if 25 year old Mo and the 22 year old fella arrested know each other?

    More than likely, but with truckers they spend a long time on the ferries with each other and it is a smallish number of people so with them being a similar I'd guess they would know each other - one way or another.


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    #809
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Boggles wrote: »
    Multiple charges, they appear to think he was in the thick of it.

    He has obviously come clean and blown the whole thing apart.

    For the thread:
    He is due to appear at Chelmsford Magistrates' Court on Monday 28 October charged with 39 counts of manslaughter, conspiracy to traffic people, conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration and money laundering
    Source: https://news.sky.com/story/essex-lorry-deaths-mo-robinson-charged-with-39-counts-of-manslaughter-11845964

    From those charges it looks like he was up to his neck in it. Not sure how the manslaughter one will stick if they were already dead when he picked them up.


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    #810
    Odhinn
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Sure but I was referring back to "derrymcorry" he got a bee in his bonnet about the drivers origins and then got banned.


    This is the address they used charging him
    Mr Robinson, of Laurel Drive, Craigavon, Northern Ireland, is due before Chelmsford Magistrates' Court on Monday.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-50196265


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    #811
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Sorry if this has been answered before . How would the container ( I don’t know the official word ) get off the ferry to be picked up by Mo Robinson on the dock ?
    Or is it normal for one truck to load it on and another truck to load it off ?


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