39 people found dead in trailer in UK

tayto lover

funkey_monkey wrote: »

For the thread:


Source: https://news.sky.com/story/essex-lorry-deaths-mo-robinson-charged-with-39-counts-of-manslaughter-11845964

From those charges it looks like he was up to his neck in it. Not sure how the manslaughter one will stick if they were already dead when he picked them up.

There were 3 lorries carrying over 100 immigrants so there were 3 drivers.
I wonder if the 22 year old and the man in his 40’s were the other two drivers.
Mo Robinson was charged with trafficking and money laundering too so he must have admitted everything. Maybe the poor people died as a result of the freezer turning itself on unknown to the driver as was suggested by posters here thus the manslaughter charges.

osarusan

lola85 wrote: »

Probably asked before but why pay 30,000 instead of getting on a plane and staying illegally?

I guess that if you fly in legally and then disappear off the radar to stay illegally, your name is on a list and somebody is (nominally) looking for you, but this way, there is no trace of you at all.

FrancieBrady

armaghlad wrote: »

He’s from Laurelvale outside Portadown which is staunchly unionist/loyalist territory. That said there is a WhatsApp going around saying that the company that leased the trailer is owned by a prominent south Armagh businessman. Whether there is any link though remains to be seen.

Does he have or had a business and house in Castleblayney?

NIMAN

I don't see why so many are worried about where the driver is from or his potential 'side'?

He has just been charged with the death of 39 people.

His political beliefs or religion mean f* all now.

whelan2

lola85 wrote: »

Probably asked before but why pay 30,000 instead of getting on a plane and staying illegally?

Who actually refunded the 30k?

lola85

Police and gards really on top of it.

osarusan

Walk around Limerick or any Irish city, and you'll see plenty of Chinese. Now I'm wondering if any of them have arrived in Ireland after a similar journey, and whether there is the constant dread of a visit from the police/immigration hanging over them.

An awful way to live, but you wonder what they are leaving, to make such a life seem appealing.

In UL, I work with Chinese students who are preparing to enter university, but need help getting up to scratch with academic English and so on. Those students are clearly from affluent families and the impression they portray of China is a place where the rising tide has lifted all boats, but if people are still willing to take these risks, that must be really exaggerated.

Of course, it may turn out that these are not/not all Chinese either.

Sittingpretty

How will they make a manslaughter charge stick if the people were already dead when he picked them up?

Boggles

Sittingpretty wrote: »

How will they make a manslaughter charge stick if the people were already dead when he picked them up?

He has been charged with several crimes which could lead to a manslaughter conviction.

thecretinhop

also, will it be a charge of 39 deaths in a bloc or 39 separate charges...

buttercups88

Sittingpretty wrote: »

How will they make a manslaughter charge stick if the people were already dead when he picked them up?

He was knowingly transporting people in a sealed container. If he had reported it the unit would have been stopped and death could have been avoided

1641

Reported in the media today that the lease for the container was signed by a Ronan Hughes. Any word of anybody having got an interview with him or the the company, Hughes Transport ?
The report said the GPS indicated that the trailer made two return trips between Britain and the continent in the days leading up to the discovery of the bodies.

FrancieBrady

thecretinhop wrote: »

also, will it be a charge of 39 deaths in a bloc or 39 separate charges...

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SKYNEWS wrote:

charged with 39 counts of manslaughter, conspiracy to traffic people, conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration and money laundering.

IRE60

NIMAN wrote: »

I don't see why so many are worried about where the driver is from or his potential 'side'?

He has just been charged with the death of 39 people.

His political beliefs or religion mean f* all now.

The point is that, as is being reported in the media, the trailer did three trips in the week (not the cab) and it's thought that 100 people were bussed. This trailer was in a convoy seemingly on the continent but was delayed.

That leads me to believe that it's a highly sophisticated organised crime being committed - I can only think of perhaps four 'groups' on the island capable of this level of sophistication - so yea, his links do matter - and I couldn't give a flying f which way he blesses himself (if ever) - it's about organised crime, with clear links to this island.

Btw - I read that the fella arrested in Dublin was initially on an outstanding warrent - class pond they are swimming in!

FrancieBrady

IRE60 wrote: »

The point is that, as is being reported in the media, the trailer did three trips in the week (not the cab) and it's thought that 100 people were bussed. This trailer was in a convoy seemingly on the continent but was delayed.

That leads me to believe that it's a highly sophisticated organised crime being committed - I can only think of perhaps four 'groups' on the island capable of this level of sophistication - so yea, his links do matter - and I couldn't give a flying f which way he blesses himself (if ever) - it's about organised crime, with clear links to this island.

Btw - I read that the fella arrested in Dublin was initially on an outstanding warrent - class pond they are swimming in!

Not awfully sophisticated if it ended so devastatingly for those 39 people.

thecretinhop

FrancieBrady wrote: »

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christ game over so if guilty

Sittingpretty

buttercups88 wrote: »

He was knowingly transporting people in a sealed container. If he had reported it the unit would have been stopped and death could have been avoided

With respect the people were dead before he even picked up the trailer. That’s why I asked how they can make it stick.

If it’s proven he’s involved knowingly I hope he gets everything coming to him.

FrancieBrady

Sittingpretty wrote: »

With respect the people were dead before he even picked up the trailer. That’s why I asked how they can make it stick.

If it’s proven he’s involved knowingly I hope he gets everything coming to him.

If he was involved in the planning that is what the manslaughter charge will cover.

Sittingpretty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If he was involved in the planning that is what the manslaughter charge will cover.

Ah ok, thanks.

It’s like something from a horror movie

tayto lover

Sittingpretty wrote: »

With respect the people were dead before he even picked up the trailer. That’s why I asked how they can make it stick.

If it’s proven he’s involved knowingly I hope he gets everything coming to him.

To be charged with manslaughter you only have to be complicit in the act that caused a death even without knowing what caused it.

Sittingpretty

tayto lover wrote: »

To be charged with manslaughter you only have to be complicit in the act that caused a death even without knowing what caused it.

I didn’t know that, thanks

NIMAN

so is the murder charge dropped now?

1641

NIMAN wrote: »

so is the murder charge dropped now?

There was no such charge. He was held for questioning on suspicion of murder.

banie01

One would wonder if there's any links to the 11 or 12 African teenagers found over the last few weeks in N.I.

If memory serves they have all claimed to have entered via containers.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/east-african-children-in-care-of-social-services-after-being-found-in-belfasts-harbour-area-38628468.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-50172779

tayto lover

NIMAN wrote: »

so is the murder charge dropped now?

Obviously not enough evidence to sustain a murder charge. It was not deliberate.

PostWoke

NIMAN wrote: »

so is the murder charge dropped now?

...didn't someone say he was booked for manslaughter? Fake news?

ChikiChiki

banie01 wrote: »

One would wonder if there's any links to the 11 or 12 African teenagers found over the last few weeks in N.I.

If memory serves they have all claimed to have entered via containers.

I'd say were dealing with tip of the Iceberg stuff. God knows how much of this smuggling onto the island has been happening.

PostWoke

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'd say were dealing with tip of the Iceberg stuff. God knows how much of this smuggling onto the island has been happening.

Woah woah, we got a link to that story of the 11/12 african lads? I mean wtf how much of this is really going on?

nc6000

How hard can it be for the traffickers to at least modify the containers or trailers so the people inside can open the door themselves should something go wrong? I'm not in any way trying to condone what was going on here but to lock people inside a refrigerated unit like that and them helpless until someone opens it is shocking.

FrancieBrady

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'd say were dealing with tip of the Iceberg stuff. God knows how much of this smuggling onto the island has been happening.

Nothing in the story suggests the 39 were destined for this island.