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39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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    #812
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    antix80 wrote: »
    Why is it just the lorry driver being arrested?

    Because that's the guy that was caught.


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    #813
    vicwatson
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Sorry if this has been answered before . How would the container ( I don’t know the official word ) get off the ferry to be picked up by Mo Robinson on the dock ?
    Or is it normal for one truck to load it on and another truck to load it off ?

    Unaccompanied trailers are shipped all the time


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    #814
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    funkey_monkey wrote: »
    Why Monagahan in quotes - it was known from start that he was from Portadown

    He is "from" MarketHill, if these details are important.


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    #815
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Unaccompanied trailers are shipped all the time

    Thank you


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    #816
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Sorry if this has been answered before . How would the container ( I don’t know the official word ) get off the ferry to be picked up by Mo Robinson on the dock ?
    Or is it normal for one truck to load it on and another truck to load it off ?

    Shunters working for the docks

    Not trucks, they're used predominantly for "shunting" trailers about the docks or on to and off fairies. yt-4.jpg


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    #817
    1641
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Sorry if this has been answered before .
    Or is it normal for one truck to load it on and another truck to load it off ?

    Yes, perfectly normal , it seems.


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    #818
    IRE60
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    Yes, the charge is odd but I'm no expert on the ins and outs of that. The fact that he has been charged suggested that he had knowledge of the cargo - perhaps not the conditions. As to the links with the provos - not sure. The Times had an article yesterday where they went to his home town to interview the natives. In the middle of the town is a banner 'we support soldier F' - not exactly GAA country!


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    #819
    vicwatson
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    1641 wrote: »
    Yes, perfectly normal , it seems.

    Totally perfectly normal


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    #820
    Tacitus Kilgore
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    Would be fairly sickened now if i was one of those donors to the gofundmes....


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    #821
    lola85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    Probably asked before but why pay 30,000 instead of getting on a plane and staying illegally?


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    #822
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Would be fairly sickened now if i was one of those donors to the gofundmes....

    Don't tell me there was a GoFundMe set up for the driver?


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    #823
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    lola85 wrote: »
    Probably asked before but why pay 30,000 instead of getting on a plane and staying illegally?

    Yes, because families with this sort of money would get the tourist visa, I really doubt the figure is that high, people with that sort of money don't just immigrate illegally in that manner. I would think that what the traffickers make is less or through some sort of bonded slavery.


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    #824
    armaghlad
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    IRE60 wrote: »
    Yes, the charge is odd but I'm no expert on the ins and outs of that. The fact that he has been charged suggested that he had knowledge of the cargo - perhaps not the conditions. As to the links with the provos - not sure. The Times had an article yesterday where they went to his home town to interview the natives. In the middle of the town is a banner 'we support soldier F' - not exactly GAA country!
    He’s from Laurelvale outside Portadown which is staunchly unionist/loyalist territory. That said there is a WhatsApp going around saying that the company that leased the trailer is owned by a prominent south Armagh businessman. Whether there is any link though remains to be seen.


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    #825
    gerbilgranny
    Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭gerbilgranny


    There was a thread on the Facebook page of a man who described himself as Mo Robinson's best friend, started because this man was sickened at the press reports. Lots of people posted support on there.

    The man is no longer listed as a friend of Mo Robinson on Facebook.


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    #826
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 52,012 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    funkey_monkey wrote: »
    For the thread:


    Source: https://news.sky.com/story/essex-lorry-deaths-mo-robinson-charged-with-39-counts-of-manslaughter-11845964

    From those charges it looks like he was up to his neck in it. Not sure how the manslaughter one will stick if they were already dead when he picked them up.

    There were 3 lorries carrying over 100 immigrants so there were 3 drivers.
    I wonder if the 22 year old and the man in his 40’s were the other two drivers.
    Mo Robinson was charged with trafficking and money laundering too so he must have admitted everything. Maybe the poor people died as a result of the freezer turning itself on unknown to the driver as was suggested by posters here thus the manslaughter charges.


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    #827
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Would be fairly sickened now if i was one of those donors to the gofundmes....

    A fool and their money...


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    #828
    osarusan
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    lola85 wrote: »
    Probably asked before but why pay 30,000 instead of getting on a plane and staying illegally?


    I guess that if you fly in legally and then disappear off the radar to stay illegally, your name is on a list and somebody is (nominally) looking for you, but this way, there is no trace of you at all.


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    #829
    FrancieBrady
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    armaghlad wrote: »
    He’s from Laurelvale outside Portadown which is staunchly unionist/loyalist territory. That said there is a WhatsApp going around saying that the company that leased the trailer is owned by a prominent south Armagh businessman. Whether there is any link though remains to be seen.

    Does he have or had a business and house in Castleblayney?


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    #830
    NIMAN
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    I don't see why so many are worried about where the driver is from or his potential 'side'?

    He has just been charged with the death of 39 people.

    His political beliefs or religion mean f* all now.


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    #831
    whelan2
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    lola85 wrote: »
    Probably asked before but why pay 30,000 instead of getting on a plane and staying illegally?

    Who actually refunded the 30k?


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    #832
    funkey_monkey
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    There were 3 lorries carrying over 100 immigrants so there were 3 drivers.
    I wonder if the 22 year old and the man in his 40’s were the other two drivers.
    Mo Robinson was charged with trafficking and money laundering too so he must have admitted everything. Maybe the poor people died as a result of the freezer turning itself on unknown to the driver as was suggested by posters here thus the manslaughter charges.

    22yo was arrested in Dublin coming from France. He is suspected of driving the fridge trailer to the dock in Zebrugee.
    40's man was arrested at Stansted - not sure if arriving or departing (something makes me think arriving).


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    #833
    lola85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    Police and gards really on top of it.


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    #834
    osarusan
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    Walk around Limerick or any Irish city, and you'll see plenty of Chinese. Now I'm wondering if any of them have arrived in Ireland after a similar journey, and whether there is the constant dread of a visit from the police/immigration hanging over them.

    An awful way to live, but you wonder what they are leaving, to make such a life seem appealing.

    In UL, I work with Chinese students who are preparing to enter university, but need help getting up to scratch with academic English and so on. Those students are clearly from affluent families and the impression they portray of China is a place where the rising tide has lifted all boats, but if people are still willing to take these risks, that must be really exaggerated.

    Of course, it may turn out that these are not/not all Chinese either.


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    #835
    funkey_monkey
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    I don't see why so many are worried about where the driver is from or his potential 'side'?

    He has just been charged with the death of 39 people.

    His political beliefs or religion mean f* all now.

    Correct ,I agree.

    However, I'm assuming though that people are trying to figure out who was behind it. This type of operation is not done solely be a few lads with a penchant for Marty Mone records.
    It has all the hallmarks of organised crime and in NI that means the paramilitaries. So I presume people are asking to figure out which 'side' were involved.


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    #836
    Sittingpretty
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    How will they make a manslaughter charge stick if the people were already dead when he picked them up?


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    #837
    Boggles
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    Sittingpretty wrote: »
    How will they make a manslaughter charge stick if the people were already dead when he picked them up?

    He has been charged with several crimes which could lead to a manslaughter conviction.


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    #838
    thecretinhop
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    also, will it be a charge of 39 deaths in a bloc or 39 separate charges...


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    #839
    buttercups88
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    Sittingpretty wrote: »
    How will they make a manslaughter charge stick if the people were already dead when he picked them up?

    He was knowingly transporting people in a sealed container. If he had reported it the unit would have been stopped and death could have been avoided


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    #840
    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    Reported in the media today that the lease for the container was signed by a Ronan Hughes. Any word of anybody having got an interview with him or the the company, Hughes Transport ?
    The report said the GPS indicated that the trailer made two return trips between Britain and the continent in the days leading up to the discovery of the bodies.


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    #841
    FrancieBrady
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    thecretinhop wrote: »
    also, will it be a charge of 39 deaths in a bloc or 39 separate charges...
    *
    SKYNEWS wrote:
    charged with 39 counts of manslaughter, conspiracy to traffic people, conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration and money laundering.


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