39 people found dead in trailer in UK

partyguinness

splinter65 wrote: »

He’s got a video of a Protestant marching flute apprentice boys video on his Facebook page. His surname marks him out as Protestant. What does it matter anyway?

TBH he looks like one too...:pac:

FrancieBrady

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

The couple arrested are from a small town in the Midlands. Not sure if it has been reported yet

Yes it has. They are from Offaly.

Agent_47

splinter65 wrote: »

He’s got a video of a Protestant marching flute apprentice boys video on his Facebook page. His surname marks him out as Protestant. What does it matter anyway?

That does put a different slant on it, thanks

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

He didnt own the truck so it is not his own personalised 'decor'. But I would like to see the link where is it shows a youngish lad like that from Armagh of all places linked to the UVF.

You realise Armagh isn't just the few miles next to the border?

partyguinness

splinter65 wrote: »

He was opening the back of the lorry expecting 40 Asians to jump out and leg it.
Maybe he did it a few times before and it worked out grand.
I can even see how he might have told himself that he was doing these poor people a favour, bringing them on the last leg of a long journey from a poverty stricken country to the Promised Land.
This time they didn’t jump out.
I believe he fainted.
They are all dead. His life is destroyed.

Yeah that is my suspicion too.

I live in England (the west midlands) and I hear plenty of local news bulletins of people seeing lorries pulling over on the motorway and lads just jumping out and running to the hills.

TBH I can't see that he was on some well intentioned mission. It was for a quick buck plain and simple.

juno10353

coastwatch wrote: »

Their parents life savings, based on an interview with father of a young man presumed to be a victim.

In many cases money lenders related to traffickers. Family's now have not only lost a child, brother, sister, etc but now have the debt

FrancieBrady

It was a real feature of this the way the social media campaigns started up so quickly.

I have many trucking links on my FB as my business is connected indirectly by dint of the service I offer, but my feed had several campaigns going extolling his innocence and fund raising almost immediately.

Agent_47

partyguinness wrote: »

Yeah that is my suspicion too.

I live in England (the west midlands) and I hear plenty of local news bulletins of people seeing lorries pulling over on the motorway and lads just jumping out and running to the hills.

Trucking may never recover from this, politicians are a fickle crowd, profiteering at the expense of the State won't be seen kindly.

partyguinness

Agent_47 wrote: »

Trucking may never recover from this, politicians are a fickle crowd, profiteering at the expense of the State won't be seen kindly.

TBH this has happened before going back over the last 20 years. Nothing has changed sadly.

In fact everyone now has a decent sized computer with internet in their back pocket making it easier than ever to arrange such ventures.

Internet shopping means that trucking is bigger than ever.

Mules

Agent_47 wrote: »

Trucking may never recover from this, politicians are a fickle crowd, profiteering at the expense of the State won't be seen kindly.

It's happened before. Back in 2000 over 50 people died. I doubt trucking will be affected for long. Security will increase for a while and then things will go quiet again.

anewme

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was a real feature of this the way the social media campaigns started up so quickly.

I have many trucking links on my FB as my business is connected indirectly by dint of the service I offer, but my feed had several campaigns going extolling his innocence and fund raising almost immediately.

I had the opposite. Originally, there was a push to protest his innocence, quickly followed by a cold silence.

I know of someone who knows him in the industry, says he is a sound guy.

I was also surprised as another person here, at the quality of his property given his young age, but put that could just be what we are compared to in Dublin.

There are a number of questions in relation to opening and parking the trailer that do not add up.

Maybe he did expect them all to run off once the trailer opened - I could see a young man being sucked in by easy money, but to see him alone charged with manslaughter looks like scapegoating to me at this stage.

Damien360

Agent_47 wrote: »

Trucking may never recover from this, politicians are a fickle crowd, profiteering at the expense of the State won't be seen kindly.

This is nothing new. Anecdotal evidence has been around that this is happening all the time. This is why the Brits put very heavy fines on truck drivers bringing in illegals. Remember the pictures of hoards trying to get on trucks at Calais ? Truck drivers cried foul but it would appear to be the correct decision as they are best placed to profit from illegal immigrants.

Delays cost money and that cost will be passed on. So I don’t see this as end game for trucking or the illegal immigrant business. People are not wiling to pay extra at the supermarket for their goods due to delays and this will all be forgotten about in a few months.

FrancieBrady

anewme wrote: »

I had the opposite. Originally, there was a push to protest his innocence, quickly followed by a cold silence.

I know of someone who knows him in the industry, says he is a sound guy.

I was also surprised as another person here, at the quality of his property given his young age, but put that could just be what we are compared to in Dublin.

There are a number of questions in relation to opening and parking the trailer that do not add up.

Maybe he did expect them all to run off once the trailer opened - I could see a young man being sucked in by easy money, but to see him alone charged with manslaughter looks like scapegoating to me at this stage.

Not the way it works. He will answer for his crimes if guilty whether they catch the ringleaders or not.

If he's guilty, I am fine with that.

Calypso Realm

amadangomor wrote: »

All speculation but maybe he was opening the truck to let them out and found them in there and decided to do the right thing at that stage

Actually looking at the GPS tracking(s) of the trailer, it states the area around the Grays/Thurrock region as being the final stops recorded for each journey, which l in turn points to this being the final destination(s). So quite plausible in the circumstances unfortunately.

thadg

anewme wrote: »

I had the opposite. Originally, there was a push to protest his innocence, quickly followed by a cold silence.

I know of someone who knows him in the industry, says he is a sound guy.

I was also surprised as another person here, at the quality of his property given his young age, but put that could just be what we are compared to in Dublin.

There are a number of questions in relation to opening and parking the trailer that do not add up.

Maybe he did expect them all to run off once the trailer opened - I could see a young man being sucked in by easy money, but to see him alone charged with manslaughter looks like scapegoating to me at this stage.

Maybe true but anyone that is in the trucking game would know that a fridge (trailer) is airtight. If he signed up for this I have zero pity for him.
It is surprising to see a lad active on facebook/instagram with pictures of his job stuck in this, he seems to have pride in his job, house etc, and seems to be well liked. Very dissapointing for his family if it turns out that he is guilty

anewme

anewme wrote: »

I had the opposite. Originally, there was a push to protest his innocence, quickly followed by a cold silence.

I know of someone who knows him in the industry, says he is a sound guy.

I was also surprised as another person here, at the quality of his property given his young age, but put that could just be what we are compared to in Dublin.

There are a number of questions in relation to opening and parking the trailer that do not add up.

Maybe he did expect them all to run off once the trailer opened - I could see a young man being sucked in by easy money, but to see him alone charged with manslaughter looks like scapegoating to me at this stage.

The money laundering charge casts a different light on things. There’s a lot we’re not being told. “ He is due to appear at Chelmsford Magistrates’ Court on Monday 28 October charged with 39 counts of manslaughter, conspiracy to traffic people, conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration and money laundering” https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/essex-migrant-deaths-mo-robinson-charged-with-39-counts-of-manslaughter-another-man-is-arrested-in-dublin-port-959960.html

Limpy

Is the GPS trail of the freezer unit always recorded by the owners, or could the people leasing it turn it off?.

Hopefully some good CCTV evidence can be sourced once they know the journey it took.

Agent_47

Limpy wrote: »

Is the GPS trail of the freezer unit always recorded by the owners, or could the people leasing it turn it off?.

Hopefully some good CCTV evidence can be sourced once they know the journey it took.

Don't think the slackers knew it had a tracker, if I were renting a container to you would I tell you!

strandroad

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The money laundering charge casts a different light on things. There’s a lot we’re not being told. “ He is due to appear at Chelmsford Magistrates’ Court on Monday 28 October charged with 39 counts of manslaughter, conspiracy to traffic people, conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration and money laundering” https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/essex-migrant-deaths-mo-robinson-charged-with-39-counts-of-manslaughter-another-man-is-arrested-in-dublin-port-959960.html

The money laundering charge might be simply because they were moving large sums of money in an unauthorized way. If I try to move a large enough amount of cash through border controls I'll be stopped and charged too even if the origin is completely clean.

partyguinness

strandroad wrote: »

The money laundering charge might be simply because they were moving large sums of money in an unauthorized way. If I try to move a large enough amount of cash through border controls I'll be stopped and charged too even if the origin is completely clean.

I suspect he had a large wad of cash in the cab that he is struggling to explain or perhaps he just fessed up.

Calypso Realm

partyguinness wrote: »

Yes. Surely if he was opening it up to let them out he would have waited until it was later up the road in a quieter area. .

Not necessarily. Locals who lived in very near vicinity who were interviewed (news bulletins) spoke about the spot being notorious as a drop-off for illegals. According to them reports to authorities were continually ignored. Also it was very late at night!

partyguinness

Calypso Realm wrote: »

Not necessarily. Locals who lived in very near vicinity who were interviewed (news bulletins) spoke about the spot being notorious as a drop-off for illegals. According to them reports to authorities were continually ignored. Also it was very late at night!

Yeah fair enough. Just that in a industrial estate it will have street lights and CCTV around so it does seem rather brazen but I have also read that this port is one of the quietest and least patrolled.

anewme

This chap is definitely not the brains behind the operation.

He has not been charged for the manslaughter of 39 people for nothing.

It should be said there appears to be trojan work by Gardai and Police on this crime.

He should be held fully accountable for his part.

But not alone.

Otherwise, it will just continue.

With a different Driver.

1641

anewme wrote: »

This chap is definitely not the brains behind the operation.

He has not been charged for the manslaughter of 39 people for nothing.

It should be said there appears to be trojan work by Gardai and Police on this crime.

He should be held fully accountable for his part.

But not alone.

Otherwise, it will just continue.

With a different Driver.

I agree he and any others involved should be held accountable - severely. But it is unlikely that the masterminds will be.
And whether they are caught or not the "business" will continue. I doubt that they are the only "companies" in the game.

afkasurfjunkie

How come the driver was named and identified by social media so quickly but the couple from the midlands can’t be named for legal reasons?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

afkasurfjunkie wrote: »

How come the driver was named and identified by social media so quickly but the couple from the midlands can’t be named for legal reasons?

I’m assuming because one was found in the UK and the others Ireland.

thadg

afkasurfjunkie wrote: »

How come the driver was named and identified by social media so quickly but the couple from the midlands can’t be named for legal reasons?

they are named. read the daily mail uk. they are living in warrington

1641

afkasurfjunkie wrote: »

How come the driver was named and identified by social media so quickly but the couple from the midlands can’t be named for legal reasons?

They were named. Pictures appeared also.

FrancieBrady

Crack down on those willing to employ these people, get the word out that there is no work to be had as an illegal.

There is a hypocrisy at the heart if this business and it is that society is happy that these people are here to do dirt cheap labour. Society wont do the work nor pay the price that proper labour would make the product or service cost.

Too many turning a blind eye and then tut tutting when a tragedy like this happens.

1641

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Crack down on those willing to employ these people, get the word out that there is no work to be had as an illegal.

There is a hypocrisy at the heart if this business and it is that society is happy that these people are here to do dirt cheap labour. Society wont do the work nor pay the price that proper labour would make the product or service cost.

Too many turning a blind eye and then tut tutting when a tragedy like this happens.

Its true that we don't generally care where our cheap goods and services come from. And some supposidly legit businesses employ these people. But many will be forced into illegal trades also - sex, drugs, etc.