39 people found dead in trailer in UK

Calypso Realm

8-10 wrote: »

I think it was the driver who dropped them off before the crossing might have been the one to leave it on.

Theory being that he would have had to drop the temperature before it got heat scanned then would have put it back to a more normal, survivable, level before it got loaded on.

Personally, I would find it difficult to believe a driver would simply 'forget' such an important task, but it's possible I guess.

As someone who has no knowledge of exactly how these refrigerated containers are 'dealt with' while on board the ferries in terms of temperature regulation etc, I'm wondering if they're just loaded on by the drivers and just left until collected OR if someone on the ship is perhaps tasked with checking them to ensure they're set and operating at the correct level?

cosanostra

Calypso Realm wrote: »

Personally, I would find it difficult to believe a driver would simply 'forget' such an important task, but it's possible I guess.

As someone who has no knowledge of exactly how these refrigerated containers are 'dealt with' while on board the ferries in terms of temperature regulation etc, I'm wondering if they're just loaded on by the drivers and just left until collected OR if someone on the ship is perhaps tasked with checking them to ensure they're set and operating at the correct level?

Probably not on such a short route but on a longer voyage refrigerated containers are checked for temp

AloneInTheDark

Calypso Realm wrote: »

Personally, I would find it difficult to believe a driver would simply 'forget' such an important task, but it's possible I guess.

As someone who has no knowledge of exactly how these refrigerated containers are 'dealt with' while on board the ferries in terms of temperature regulation etc, I'm wondering if they're just loaded on by the drivers and just left until collected OR if someone on the ship is perhaps tasked with checking them to ensure they're set and operating at the correct level?

Rules are no one is allowed to stay with there vehicle when on ferries "International regulations state passengers are not allowed to remain on ro-ro (roll-on/roll-off) decks as they could be in danger of asphyxiation from fire or as a result of systems used to tackle fires." Some will try it, a incident happened this year when a few lorry drivers stayed in their cabs during rough seas and one got stuck.

FrancieBrady

I don't get the fridge thing either.

He'd have heard it running surely hooking up the lines to the cab.

WindWarrior

Fridges can run either constant or on cycles(starts automatically when it goes a couple of degrees below the set temperature) so he might not notice.

McMurphy

The husband and wife arrested have been released without charge, as too has the guy arrested in Stansted airport, though the three of them are on bail.

Not so for Mo Robinson, he's in court in the morning, and I'm beginning to wonder just how much into the thick of things Mo is buried.

Limpy

Limpy wrote: »

The UK government should offer an amnesty to someone who took the same route. Give them residency rights for all the information they can give about how, who and what they know.

Someone in the various trafficking support groups could put the feelers out .

I wonder what intelligence was gathered from this man who arrived in Ireland in the same way

Mr Nolan said people like Yu Ye were “vulnerable” and “unfortunate” and were “effectively modern day slaves.”

He said Yu Ye, who has no passport, had come to Ireland illegally on a lorry, via another lorry in England, after he lost his business and was in dire financial straits at home in China.

https://www.donegalnow.com/news/chinese-man-jailed-for-a-1-6m-cannabis-find-in-inishowen/7213

A hell of a lot of the grow houses or sheds/warehouses that are raided will have people in them who haven’t seen the light of day in god knows how long. They are the pawns in a very big operation.

NIMAN

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The husband and wife arrested have been released without charge, as too has the guy arrested in Stansted airport, though the three of them are on bail.

Not so for Mo Robinson, he's in court in the morning, and I'm beginning to wonder just how much into the thick of things Mo is buried.

Well there's one thing for sure, Mo didn't organise all this on his own.

There are plenty of others out there involved, maybe he hasn't given them up yet.

NIMAN

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I wonder what intelligence was gathered from this man who arrived in Ireland in the same way



https://www.donegalnow.com/news/chinese-man-jailed-for-a-1-6m-cannabis-find-in-inishowen/7213

A hell of a lot of the grow houses or sheds/warehouses that are raided will have people in them who haven’t seen the light of day in god knows how long. They are the pawns in a very big operation.

I live close to that grow house, and remember it well.

Apparently the set-up they had was fantastic. It had been totally custom built in a large warehouse (which I have been in on a few occasions). They were totally self sufficient, had months worth of food in stock, all washing facilities, entertainment services etc set up. Big job.

Makes you wonder just how many similar houses there are over Ireland and the UK. Then again, its all the casual drug users who are actually funding this illegal trade in people. But the average punter who smokes some weed doesn't see themselves as contributing to the problem. If only Governments could actually do something to put these criminal gangs out of business, like legalising and taxing it.

cosanostra

NIMAN wrote: »

Well there's one thing for sure, Mo didn't organise all this on his own.

There are plenty of others out there involved, maybe he hasn't given them up yet.

There's a good chance he doesn't know the main players if he's guilty then he could be just given an envelope of cash on every delivery and gets a text to tell him when the next shipment is, then again he could be a victim himself and doing this to pay off a debt one things for sure the main players backsides will be well covered

jam_mac_jam

cosanostra wrote: »

There's a good chance he doesn't know the main players if he's guilty then he could be just given an envelope of cash on every delivery and gets a text to tell him when the next shipment is, then again he could be a victim himself and doing this to pay off a debt one things for sure the main players backsides will be well covered

How could he be a victim himself? Just because he didn't organise it?

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

I live close to that grow house, and remember it well.

Apparently the set-up they had was fantastic. It had been totally custom built in a large warehouse (which I have been in on a few occasions). They were totally self sufficient, had months worth of food in stock, all washing facilities, entertainment services etc set up. Big job.

Makes you wonder just how many similar houses there are over Ireland and the UK.

A good few year back a very large shed not too far from me was raided too. I heard it was the Esb that alerted the guards due to the volumes of electricity being used. When raided they found people Chinese or similar origin there.

Was also at the brother in laws back in 2010 when the big freeze was on. He lives in a very rural spot. As we drove there all the houses we past, the roofs were white from the cold. Except for one old unused farmhouse. It was raided within days and a guy with Chinese or similar origin arrested.

easypazz

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The husband and wife arrested have been released without charge, as too has the guy arrested in Stansted airport, though the three of them are on bail.

Not so for Mo Robinson, he's in court in the morning, and I'm beginning to wonder just how much into the thick of things Mo is buried.

Its up to him to sing and bring down those above him. They have to throw the book at him, put other lorry drivers off doing it.

cosanostra

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

How could he be a victim himself? Just because he didn't organise it?

Because gangsters use debt as a way of making usually decent people do things they don't want to. Not saying this is the case my point was that the main players will get off scot free and probably already have another driver lined up for the next collection

MadYaker

From here: https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/1027/1085939-essex-deaths/

The mother and a sister of 19-year-old Bui Thi Nhung set up an altar in the village of Yen Thanh in north-central Vietnam after a family friend in the UK told them she had died after paying thousands of pounds in the hope of finding work in a nail bar.

This seems so bizarre and such a needless loss of life. How were these people talked into this? They obviously had money so why go to smugglers???

easypazz

easypazz wrote: »

Its up to him to sing and bring down those above him. They have to throw the book at him, put other lorry drivers off doing it.

If he does “sing” you can guarantee that he won’t last long. He’s caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

cosanostra

MadYaker wrote: »

From here: https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/1027/1085939-essex-deaths/




This seems so bizarre and such a needless loss of life. How were these people talked into this? They obviously had money so why go to smugglers???

When you look into it some of it was savings from wide family circle but most of it was loans, who do you think provided the loan, the same people who will force the girl to work in prostitution etc til its paid off (never)

MadYaker

Yeah he's in a right spot he is. I've zero sympathy for him.

LuasSimon

MadYaker wrote: »

Yeah he's in a right spot he is. I've zero sympathy for him.

Did I read somewhere he’s 25 and lives in a 300K house ??

1641

MadYaker wrote: »

From here: https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/1027/1085939-essex-deaths/

This seems so bizarre and such a needless loss of life. How were these people talked into this? They obviously had money so why go to smugglers???

In the same article :


"Her father, Pham Van Thin, told Sky News: "We tried to talk her out of it because it would be a very difficult journey for her as a girl.
"But she said: 'If I don't go, the family would stay in a very difficult situation because of the big debt'.
"So she took a risk and decided to go, and we had to agree."

It is reported elsewhere that they are told by the gangs that they can make huge money working in nail bars. But the reality is a pittance and they are forced into other ways by the gangs to pay off the debts, eg, prostitution. People trafficking is often part of the modern slavery business.

Galwayguy35

If he was part of a convoy of 3 trucks then they will be probably looking for him to spill the beans on who the others are and where they went.

No Bills

LuasSimon wrote: »

Did I read somewhere he’s 25 and lives in a 300K house ??

I believe this £160,000 house is his:
www.cps-property.com/drumlack-gate-lodge

McMurphy

No Bills wrote: »

I believe this £160,000 house is his:
www.cps-property.com/drumlack-gate-lodge

Why do you think it's his?

MadYaker

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Why do you think it's his?

Because they're spending too much time reading tabloids and social media.

gerbilgranny

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Why do you think it's his?

I'm guessing because one of the photos looks identical to ones we've seen on T.V.

And also...https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/police-raid-luxury-northern-ireland-home-of-lorry-deaths-suspect-38629161.html

No Bills

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Why do you think it's his?

It was one of the houses raided by the police. It was reported in a number of articles that it is where he lives. I believe quite a few of the photos of "his" truck were taken in the driveway of this house.

Loafing Oaf

MadYaker wrote: »

Yeah he's in a right spot he is. I've zero sympathy for him.

Agreed. Unless this whole thing was done without his knowledge he deserves a manslaughter conviction IMO.

McMurphy

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Agreed. Unless this whole thing was done without his knowledge he deserves a manslaughter conviction IMO.

Serious question, but how can Robinson or anyone else be fingered with manslaughter or murder charges if it can be proven that these people were dead before arriving in the UK?

Robinson may be caught by the ghoulies knowingly going to play his part in transporting illegal immigrants, but will they be able to hold him responsible for their deaths?

I know shag all about the law, but this will be an interesting one.

volchitsa

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Serious question, but how can Robinson or anyone else be fingered with manslaughter or murder charges if it can be proven that these people were dead before arriving in the UK

Robinson may be caught by the ghoulies knowingly going to play his part in transporting illegal immigrants, but will they be able to hold him responsible for their deaths?

I know shag all about the law, but this will be an interesting one.

I think it's being complicit with the plan that resulted in their deaths. Like the getaway driver also being found guilty when a security guard is killed in a robbery. Or Boy B in the Ana Kriegel murder.

NIMAN

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Serious question, but how can Robinson or anyone else be fingered with manslaughter or murder charges if it can be proven that these people were dead before arriving in the UK?

Robinson may be caught by the ghoulies knowingly going to play his part in transporting illegal immigrants, but will they be able to hold him responsible for their deaths?

I know shag all about the law, but this will be an interesting one.

I'm guessing date/time of death for the 39 will affect how his defence approach his trial.

As you say, if they were dead a day before he picked up the trailer, he wasn't involved in their deaths.