39 people found dead in trailer in UK

Stheno

Remanded in custody.

macadam

<snip> (any questions PM me - Beasty)

Peter File

He declared his nationality as British in court today. They are welcome to him.

antix80

Peter File wrote: »

He declared his nationality as British in court today. They are welcome to him.

A traitor to his nation eitherway. Much like our leaders and EU overlords.

James Brown

Peter File wrote: »

He declared his nationality as British in court today. They are welcome to him.

Saw this the other day:



Makes little odds to the poor people being trafficked.

anewme

The Herald has a piece saying CAB have been investigating the finances of a crisis birder gang since last year following intelligence that the gang was amassing significant wealth from smuggling including people smuggling.

Investigations now stepped up as evidence points to this crime.

Calypso Realm

Peter File wrote: »

He declared his nationality as British in court today. They are welcome to him.

Yes, noted this as well. More notable in fact, because the media, police etc always referred to him as the 'Irish' lorry driver!

No pleas either. Back again in November and if pleading not guilty Old Bailey in January, probably.

Loafing Oaf

anewme wrote: »

a crisis birder gang

A criminal faction who specialise in sourcing rare bird species in an emergency?:P

Why do we keep saying trafficked? As far as I know, human trafficking is forced. They were smuggled, surely?

anewme

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

A criminal faction who specialise in sourcing rare bird species in an emergency?:P

Stop making me laugh!! I was trying to me serious !

The perils of typing in an iPhone coupled with Mr Magoo eyesight

antix80

Calypso Realm wrote: »

Yes, noted this as well. More notable in fact, because the media, police etc always referred to him as the 'Irish' lorry driver!

No pleas either. Back again in November and if pleading not guilty Old Bailey in January, probably.

Northern irish unionists. They're a class of their own. The brits consider them irish, we don't.

Lady Spangles

antix80 wrote: »

Northern irish unionists. They're a class of their own. The brits consider them irish, we don't.

To be fair, if the driver committed this heinous act, it wasn't because he's a unionist/loyalist/whatever. It's because he's a criminal with no compunction about earning a fat profit from the suffering and misery of other human beings.

1641

antix80 wrote: »

The brits consider them irish, we don't.

Who is/are "we"?

antix80

1641 wrote: »

Who is/are "we"?

.ie is the country code top-level domain which corresponds with the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for the Republic of Ireland

Boards.ie

You figure it out

Hint. It isn't the Russians

NIMAN

Lady Spangles wrote: »

To be fair, if the driver committed this heinous act, it wasn't because he's a unionist/loyalist/whatever. It's because he's a criminal with no compunction about earning a fat profit from the suffering and misery of other human beings.

Totally right.

But that's NI for you I'm afraid.
Its just one big long quest to outdo the 'other side'.

James Brown

NIMAN wrote: »

Totally right.

But that's NI for you I'm afraid.
Its just one big long quest to outdo the 'other side'.

Not really. The question on his nationality came up and was answered.

cosanostra

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do we keep saying trafficked? As far as I know, human trafficking is forced. They were smuggled, surely?

Not as simple as that some of these people owe gangs in their home country a lot of money or even their families do they are then forced to go where the gang tell them to work in drug farms and in prostitution to pay off the debt, others are told that Britain is a great place to go and they'll get great jobs over there but once they arrive in Britain they are at the mercy of the gang they cant turn to to the police so are forced to work as slaves for the gang so even though they go of their own accord they are still considered trafficked.

AloneInTheDark

NIMAN wrote: »

Totally right.

But that's NI for you I'm afraid.
Its just one big long quest to outdo the 'other side'.

I doubt he went around asking who was signing his paycheck.

This is all about money but I have to ask surely these people coming in from Vietnam know what's waiting for them on the other side and it isn't a good one.

US2

Aren't unionists racist brexiters who want control of the borders, while bringing in undocumented foreigners in trucks, a weird bunch.

NIMAN

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Not really. The question on his nationality came up and was answered.

Believe me, there has been a lot of social media debate about his politics, possible connections etc, and a lot of it to make sure that its known he's one of them 'uns.

antix80

Look.. The guy was a truck driver, not a paramedic. I'm sure he knew little about human physiology. How much oxygen is required to sustain 39 individuals.. I've no idea..
He was a lorry driver who made a few quid on the side by driving a cargo without asking questions. Beats competing on salary against eastern European lorry drivers who are costing lives by falsifying their logs and drinking on the job.
To me, immigration can be problematic. Illegal immigration is worse. We've a bizarre setup where europe has tens if not hundreds of thousands of bogus and illegal immigrants we're meant to celebrate but are meant to just appear without anyone breaking the law.. No falsifying id and documents, no people smugglers, no overstaying visas, no lying about countries of origin and no one is making bogus statements as part of their asylum claims ... They all just appear here no questions asked.

cosanostra

cosanostra wrote: »

Not as simple as that some of these people owe gangs in their home country a lot of money or even their families do they are then forced to go where the gang tell them to work in drug farms and in prostitution to pay off the debt, others are told that Britain is a great place to go and they'll get great jobs over there but once they arrive in Britain they are at the mercy of the gang they cant turn to to the police so are forced to work as slaves for the gang so even though they go of their own accord they are still considered trafficked.

As far as I'm aware, a truck that lets people out on the side of the road is pretty much a done deal. The Vietnamese girl's parents for example remortgaged their house to pay. If it were debt to the gang, they'd be taken to the brothel or the grow farm.. Not 100 people let out on the side of the road and then the gangs have to chase 100 families here in the hope they guilt their children into going to meet the gangs in the UK and enter a life of prostitution or cannabis growing.

In Vietnam here, young people are made aware of the fact that these too good to be true jobs abroad are human trafficking operations. That's abhorrent. But if you're paying 30k and you're let out on the side of the road, that is actually different. The people who organise this stuff are well-known in their communities. I could likely get a contact tomorrow through the gold shops I can use to send money to Ireland through Vietnamese people living there. They wouldn't survive long if they were taking 30k and also then adding some unexpected life of slavery on top.

antix80

Deleted User wrote: »

In Vietnam here, young people are made aware of the fact that these too good to be true jobs abroad are human trafficking operations. That's abhorrent. But if you're paying 30k and you're let out on the side of the road, that is actually different. The people who organise this stuff are well-known in their communities. I could likely get a contact tomorrow through the gold shops I can use to send money to Ireland through Vietnamese people living there. They wouldn't survive long if they were taking 30k and also then adding some unexpected life of slavery on top.

Not sure i follow all that, but...

People get taken in. People ignorant of the danger. I DON'T mean poor. Perhaps depressed or suffering from at least a mild cognitive impairment- perhaps age-related. Combine that with the smooth - talk and assurance of a salesman earning a good commission AND the knowledge that it went well for all their family and friends who went before...

I said earlier in this thread, our politicians and authorities are complicit in this trade. It's encouraged. Those who make it here - illegally i might add - are the winners. The losers are the people who don't make it, the criminals who are caught, and of course citizens who suffer a deterioration in their lifestyles as a result of increased crime, higher accommodation costs, higher taxation, and loss of cultural identuty/dilution of rights through uncontolled immigration.

I have sympathy for the deceased but stop rewarding illegal immigration or you're responsible for their deaths.

Galwayguy35

It said in the Daily Mail that he was at this since last December, if that's true he deserves everything they throw at him.

Next appearance at The Old Bailey on Nov 25th.

James Brown

NIMAN wrote: »

Believe me, there has been a lot of social media debate about his politics, possible connections etc, and a lot of it to make sure that its known he's one of them 'uns.

I know. That's how I saw the flag pic.
But the initial issue raised was if he was Irish or not, not if he was 'RA or UDA.

NIMAN

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I know. That's how I saw the flag pic.
But the initial issue raised was if he was Irish or not, not if he was 'RA or UDA.

That was the only issue for A LOT of people in the North over the last few days.

cosanostra

Deleted User wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, a truck that lets people out on the side of the road is pretty much a done deal. The Vietnamese girl's parents for example remortgaged their house to pay. If it were debt to the gang, they'd be taken to the brothel or the grow farm.. Not 100 people let out on the side of the road and then the gangs have to chase 100 families here in the hope they guilt their children into going to meet the gangs in the UK and enter a life of prostitution or cannabis growing.

In Vietnam here, young people are made aware of the fact that these too good to be true jobs abroad are human trafficking operations. That's abhorrent. But if you're paying 30k and you're let out on the side of the road, that is actually different. The people who organise this stuff are well-known in their communities. I could likely get a contact tomorrow through the gold shops I can use to send money to Ireland through Vietnamese people living there. They wouldn't survive long if they were taking 30k and also then adding some unexpected life of slavery on top.

"A human rights worker in Vietnam, who was spoken with Tra My's family, today revealed she made the perilous journey because her family was in debt and she was desperately trying to help them.

'She had just returned from Japan where she was working to try and pay off the debt. And that was not enough and so she looked for a better future,' she told the BBC."

It sounds to me like she was travelling to clear a debt, she was also tricked into believing she was getting a business class ticket and flying into the UK. Remember people who are being trafficked won't realise it til it's too late.

Who said they were just going to let them out the industrial estate more than likely it was a rendezvous spot where they would be transported to their final destination in a smaller vehicle.

cosanostra

cosanostra wrote: »

"A human rights worker in Vietnam, who was spoken with Tra My's family, today revealed she made the perilous journey because her family was in debt and she was desperately trying to help them.

'She had just returned from Japan where she was working to try and pay off the debt. And that was not enough and so she looked for a better future,' she told the BBC."

It sounds to me like she was travelling to clear a debt, she was also tricked into believing she was getting a business class ticket and flying into the UK. Remember people who are being trafficked won't realise it til it's too late.

Who said they were just going to let them out the industrial estate more than likely it was a rendezvous spot where they would be transported to their final destination in a smaller vehicle.

Interesting. That's a recent addition to that girl's story.

antix80

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting. That's a recent addition to that girl's story.

Too bad there isn't tripadvisor for illegal immigrants

"One star - I'd give 0 if i could. Promised me condo and 5 figure job as a beautician. Ended up in windowless brothel giving happy endings."

antix80

antix80 wrote: »

Too bad there isn't tripadvisor for illegal immigrants

"One star - I'd give 0 if i could. Promised me condo and 5 figure job as a beautician. Ended up in windowless brothel giving happy endings."

My point still stands. Her family's circumstances don't negate the fact that the world is full of people who were trafficked, and people who paid to be smuggled.