39 people found dead in trailer in UK

HeidiHeidi

Odelay wrote: »

I suspect the driver parked up there and walked into the yard to check if he was at the right place/would they accept the load/were able to unload etc. in this case a operative would often go with the driver to open it up to see what exactly it contains and how it’s loaded and if it’s in a condition that they’ll accept.
Not saying that’s what happened, but it is a fairly common occurrence to check loads like that.

At 1am?

I'm also curious about how the deceased were discovered to be in the trailer..... according to reports the police were called by the ambulance service, but who alerted them?

RIP to them all.

contrary_devil

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

At 1am?

I'm also curious about how the deceased were discovered to be in the trailer..... according to reports the police were called by the ambulance service, but who alerted them?

RIP to them all.

Why not 1am? There are plenty of places that operate 24 hours a day and some 24/7

Gynoid

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I've a feeling that the fella arrested was set up, just from what I'm seeing and reading in the media.

Bad form (imo) for his name and face to be plastered all over the news until they can actually establish whether or not he was being set up, or was privy to what was going down.

25 years old, still a kid really.

Also, not forgetting the true victims in this tragedy, the 39 souls who tragically lost their lives in what must have been a truly awful death. R.I.P

Yeah, this I dont understand. His face is plastered everywhere, mainstream news sites seem to be raiding his social media for photos like some tenth rate news rags. This very young person is practically being advertised as a mass murderer. Even if on the off chance he was in on the trafficking - which the timeline does not suggest - this surely is trial by media/mob. Terrifying for him and his family if he just happens to be effectively a bystander. I am very surprised.

Still waters

contrary_devil wrote: »

Why not 1am? There are plenty of places that operate 24 hours a day and some 24/7

Because people like Heidi think shop shelves magically regenerate overnight, trucks are on the road day and night

Munstermissy

tayto lover wrote: »

So would the person who sealed it not have looked into the container and seen the people? Surely he would. Who signs off on loads and certifies that it’s all there?
Something very wrong somewhere.

I was speaking with a hauler this evening about this. He was telling me of incidents whereby the immigrants \ traffickers actually cut holes in the roof of the fridges and go in through there. The driver would certainly not be checking the roof.

The artic unit shipped Dublin holyhead with a different trailer and dropped at a location in the UK. Driver was probably drop and picking various trailers since the weekend from various ports\locations. I really feel for the driver getting caught up in this awful tradgedy. He will probably never get over this.

HeidiHeidi

Still waters wrote: »

Because people like Heidi think shop shelves magically regenerate overnight, trucks are on the road day and night

Yeah, no I don't.

I asked a question.

Odelay

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

At 1am?

I'm also curious about how the deceased were discovered to be in the trailer..... according to reports the police were called by the ambulance service, but who alerted them?

RIP to them all.

I suspect when they found unresponsive people, they though it better to call the ambulance service. Shock would have set in. They probably never thought of making a second call for the police, it must have been a horrific situation.

Galwayguy35

The media were wrong to name the driver and post his picture when nobody knows if he even knew anything about what happened.

MonkieSocks

Nine people found alive in truck just hours after the 39 people were found deceased

https://news.sky.com/story/nine-migrants-found-alive-in-lorry-in-kent-11843186

lola85

Gynoid wrote: »

Yeah, this I dont understand. His face is plastered everywhere, mainstream news sites seem to be raiding his social media for photos like some tenth rate news rags. This very young person is practically being advertised as a mass murderer. Even if on the off chance he was in on the trafficking - which the timeline does not suggest - this surely is trial by media/mob. Terrifying for him and his family if he just happens to be effectively a bystander. I am very surprised.

Yet the media couldn’t show faces of the lads who attacked a tourist at gun point yesterday because of GDPR?????

copperhead

Lots of misinformation here
The seals that people are talking about are not custom seals, they are seals placed there from the factory where the trailer is loaded, as a driver you cannot interfere or open the seal, especially with a fridge unit such as this if a driver opens a seal before arrival at a destination and withnessed by their staff the whole load will be rejected,
As for the lorry being on foreign plates its been happening for years over here there's 3 big haulage company's within 15 miles of me here whose lorrys are on Bulgarian plates

Its a horrible situation all-round thoughts are with the poor people in the back, their family's and the driver

splinter65

contrary_devil wrote: »

If he had picked up a sealed trailer he wouldn't have been able to check the load.

I want to thank everyone who responded to my post. I’ve had an education on haulage here this evening. Very interesting. RIP to these souls who thought that Essex was paved with gold.

contrary_devil

I'm after reading quite a few posts on this thread and to be frank there are a lot of posts on this thread made by people who know sfa about how the transport and logistics industry works but yet seem to think they are knowledgable on the subject. As an example someone posted about buying seals online to replace broken seals, it is entirely possible that seals can be bought but you'd have to be damned lucky to have the exact type of seal with matching number.
Smuggling gangs/clandestines get people into trailers all the time and pass through security checks even at Calais which would be one of the more heavily secured ports. Haulage companies are these days having to instruct drivers to only park at paid secure parking areas when on the homeward journey to miminise the risk of illegal entry, service areas are no go areas for freight vehicles en route for the UK or Ireland. Only a few months ago a transport company had a new fridge trailer, costing in the region of €100,000 ruined when clandestines cut the roof to gain entry, this was in a service area parking in the middle of France.
The trailer these poor souls were found in had not come through Ireland or Holyhead as were the indications of some posts but had come from Zeebrugge to Purfleet and was picked up by the driver of the truck there for onward delivery. I suggest it might be beneficial if some people quit trying to be heros rushing to be the first to post about every tit bit they hear/see in media reports with subsequent additions or deletions of the facts as what should be well known by now is that the media reporters don't always have things right and don't always use the correct language or terminology in their reports. An example of incorrect terminology in this instance was using the word container when in fact the correct term is refrigerated (fridge) trailer, as the term container is used to describe a steel box that is lifted on or off a carrying vehicle.
I apologise for the long post but as I have spent most of my working life in the transport/logistics industry I'm very vexed at the inaccurices here and in the media and a man nearly being convicted without trial.
RIP to the poor souls that died in such a horrible way.

Odelay

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

At 1am?

I'm also curious about how the deceased were discovered to be in the trailer..... according to reports the police were called by the ambulance service, but who alerted them?

RIP to them all.

A drop off at that time wouldn’t be unusual. He could have had four or five of them to do that night. He’d be concentrating on his driving hours, probably working towards a break, and then ferry home counting that as another rest time.

These guys work out their breaks and rest times 8-10 moves in advance, it’s like a chess game. Play it right and you can make good-ish money, get a move wrong and you’re at nothing.

nc6000

Gynoid wrote: »

Yeah, this I dont understand. His face is plastered everywhere, mainstream news sites seem to be raiding his social media for photos like some tenth rate news rags. This very young person is practically being advertised as a mass murderer. Even if on the off chance he was in on the trafficking - which the timeline does not suggest - this surely is trial by media/mob. Terrifying for him and his family if he just happens to be effectively a bystander. I am very surprised.

Channel 4 News had a reporter live from his home town, sounds like they tried to call to his house to interview his family and also visited the office of the company who own the trailer.

All a bit much really and they wouldn't be the worst by any means.

contrary_devil

nc6000 wrote: »

Channel 4 News had a reporter live from his home town, sounds like they tried to call to his house to interview his family and also visited the office of the company who own the trailer.

All a bit much really and they wouldn't be the worst by any means.

Assholes who are only chasing sensation, pure wrong to be going anywhere a family's house. They wouldn't be half as brave going to a drug dealers or pedophiles house to get a story.

Lackey

Gynoid wrote: »

Yeah, this I dont understand. His face is plastered everywhere, mainstream news sites seem to be raiding his social media for photos like some tenth rate news rags. This very young person is practically being advertised as a mass murderer. Even if on the off chance he was in on the trafficking - which the timeline does not suggest - this surely is trial by media/mob. Terrifying for him and his family if he just happens to be effectively a bystander. I am very surprised.

I’m not surprised at all
Do you remember the Gatwick drone incident ?

Paul Gait, 47, and his wife Elaine Kirk, 54, were named and pictured on the front pages of four national Sunday newspapers on 23 December as Sussex Police detained them in connection with the drone chaos.


Among those to splash on the story of their arrest was the Mail on Sunday, which asked: “Are these the morons who ruined Christmas?”

Bazzy

I know a close friend of the guy in question and its causing great distress to his nearest and dearest.

I had to deal with a delivery into a large German chain for a friend recently and they give you a set time when you can enter.

It's well within the realms of possibility he was ahead of time and was parking to wait or had ran out of hours on his tacograph.

There's no winners here

MadYaker

lawred2 wrote: »

Depends when and where the customs seals were added. Might be that some lad somewhere is on the take. Such operations have to be facilitated officially somewhere along the line.

In Bulgaria?! :eek: well I never

coastwatch

This looks like organised people smuggling racket,

Trailer owned by GTR Trailers , registered address Co.Monaghan
Truck registered in Bulgaria, and owned by an irish citizen
Driver from NI (likely duped/ innocent)

RobertKK

It would just bring tears to one's eyes what the people who died went through and those who had to deal with the aftermath. Just a terrible situation for all.

Ronaldinho

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The media were wrong to name the driver and post his picture when nobody knows if he even knew anything about what happened.

Agree! Bit mad considering the thread down below about the footage of the lads that mugged some tourist at gunpoint. Sometimes life just doesn't compute!

anewme

Driver is just a very small cog in a massive machine.

Scapegoat.

splinter65

RobertKK wrote: »

It would just bring tears to one's eyes what the people who died went through and those who had to deal with the aftermath. Just a terrible situation for all.

My very elderly mother just watched the lorry leaving for Tilbury Docks with its tragic cargo and she wondered who in the name of God is going to empty it.

Cork Boy 53

splinter65 wrote: »

My very elderly mother just watched the lorry leaving for Tilbury Docks with its tragic cargo and she wondered who in the name of God is going to empty it.

I would assume the police and ambulance personnel will do it.

STB.

The container came in from Zeebrugge to Essex docks at 12.30am, cab-less.
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It didn't have the CAB driven by the Northern Irish guy who only picked it up at the Essex docks at 1.05am.

He delivered it to the industrial estate 10 minutes away where the grim discovery was made, probably by the driver, who also probably called in the police, who arrested him on "suspicion" of murder.

The police then released a series of wrong information including the origins of the cab.

Then someone leaked this information, and he got doxxed by irresponsible journalists and TV broadcasters, which in turn has been picked up and reprinted by international newspapers.

There are now reports and even more pictures of raids by the PSNI at addresses in Portadown tonight.

If this guy is totally innocent and is released without charge tomorrow, then the media morons are in serious trouble.

paul71

coastwatch wrote: »

This looks like organised people smuggling racket,

Trailer owned by GTR Trailers , registered address Co.Monaghan
Truck registered in Bulgaria, and owned by an irish citizen
Driver from NI (likely duped/ innocent)

You are jumping to same type of assumptions about the trailer owners that UK media did about the driver when they plastered his personal details all over the news.
More likely, perfectly legitimate company in Ireland registers assets in another EU country because the registration process and insurance is cheaper. Said trailer while hired out to a legitimate transport company is broken into somewhere in Holland by 40 people while the driver on an overnight is asleep, 40th person seals other 39 in and tragedy occurs.

Noveight

STB. wrote: »

If this guy is totally innocent and is released without charge tomorrow, then the media morons are in serious trouble.

Nobody on the planet would blame him for bringing a few of the rags to court over it.

The Sun UK’s cover for tomorrow is disgraceful.

splinter65

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I would assume the police and ambulance personnel will do it.

I can’t imagine anything worse. They can’t be paid too much as far as I’m concerned.

AllForIt

Amnesty international rep saying on Sky News report that if routes are blocked to migrants then they have no option to take more dangerous routes/methods. Absolute nonsense. They are coming because they know there is a good chance they will get away with it. The answer is to make it so they know there is an near impossible chance of getting away with it, whatever that would take.

STB.

Noveight wrote: »

Nobody on the planet would blame him for bringing a few of the rags to court over it.

The Sun UK’s cover for tomorrow is disgraceful.

It is clear that despite the Levinson enquiry and the Jefferies case that the media have learnt nothing. Mirror and the Sun are rags. Guardian not so much, but they are complicit here also as are Sky and the BBC.

Right now all he is guilty of is picking up a container from a ferry arriving from Belgium. Lets see if the police hold him for 96 hours.

Arrests and charges are not the same thing. The basic rules of responsible journalism seems to be a dark art these days.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/following-ags-new-advice-how-journalists-can-avoid-contempt-of-court-when-reporting-crime/

Infini

Looking at the reports and so far from what I can see the Driver has absolutely nothing to do with any of this, he's being arrested for something he might as well have had no part in and will likely be released without charge anyways since he's only the courier, the container wasnt even brought into the country by him it was shipped in on its own.

Media really has dropped to guttertrash levels these days expecially when the initial information all but suggests he had nothing to do with it. Bloody bottomfeeding twats.

Up Donegal

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Yeah, it's now "The force said the lorry came from Bulgaria and entered the country via Holyhead on Saturday."


I'm not up to date on my ports but how can a trailer enter the UK from Bulgaria via Holyhead - I thought that route was Ireland-UK-Ireland only?

Perhaps it was the tractor unit that came through Holyhead?

Infini

pinkyeye wrote: »

As well as the poor 39 souls lost in this tragedy your heart would have to go out to the police, ambulance service, coroners etc. who have to deal with this. It has to be a horrific situation to deal with to have to try and identify these people probably from their phones, photographs, letters etc. they may have with them.

So sad.

It's sad indeed of course that it happened but at the same time I do feel it's a little hard to have alot of sympathy either. They're throwing their lives away to enter a country that doesnt want them to be honest. Not only that but because they tried to enter illegally they ended up losing their lives for nothing. Of course the real lowlifes are those who traffic them illegally but at the same time how did they get in there to begin with, because I've heard of stories in the past of people like this breaking into trucks to stow away only to get trapped in the container with noone knowing until they're already dead.

RobertKK

The problem is we can't have immigration like we had during the migrant crisis of 2015 which is what some advocate, unless people want a shift to the hard right in politics, and sensible people don't want that.
The best approach is to work to make conditions better for people in the countries where they come from. I have read what the EU wants to do as a result of the migrant crisis, and it is work to help the countries where the people come from. This is the only approach that can work, and then I came across this video which explained it:

FutureTeashock

Had the Brexit vote been properly respected, this probably wouldn't have happened.



Without strong borders this won't be the last tragedy.

TheChizler

Is there any indication the tractor unit has been in Bulgaria since it was registered 2017? The way the media has presented it is that the migrants got on there a few days ago.

kowloon

RobertKK wrote: »

The problem is we can't have immigration like we had during the migrant crisis of 2015 which is what some advocate, unless people want a shift to the hard right in politics, and sensible people don't want that.
The best approach is to work to make conditions better for people in the countries where they come from. I have read what the EU wants to do as a result of the migrant crisis, and it is work to help the countries where the people come from. This is the only approach that can work, and then I came across this video which explained it:

NumbersUSA and Roy Beck are really anti-immigration; I doubt he gives a flying fcuk about helping anyone abroad, just wants them outside US borders.

Nekarsulm

TheChizler wrote: »

Is there any indication the tractor unit has been in Bulgaria since it was registered 2017? The way the media has presented it is that the migrants got on there a few days ago.

Tractor unit could have been in every country in the EU twenty times over since 2017.
Many transport companies set up offices in other countries to cut costs.
Annual motor tax on a truck was up to €5100 until a couple of years ago, and it was the mass exodus of trucks being registered abroad ( and the total loss of tax revenue) that forced the Govt to reduce annual motor tax to €900.

jimmycrackcorm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Had the Brexit vote been properly respected, this probably wouldn't have happened.



Without strong borders this won't be the last tragedy.

If that's the case then how is it that the migrants in calais are being stopped from coming over to Dover?

jimmycrackcorm

The drivers sister is quoted in saying that he just picked up the container from the docks and he was the one who discovered the bodies when he stopped and checked the load.

He was incredibly distraught, was the one who rang emergency services and has since been released from custody.

Its clear that he had nothing to do with the actual smuggling and only the cab was brought over via holyhead.

But the news media and social media outburst is disgraceful.

Quantum Erasure

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The drivers sister is quoted ....

where do you see that?

jimmycrackcorm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

where do you see that?

Her Facebook.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

An absolutely horrific death.

STB.

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Had the Brexit vote been properly respected, this probably wouldn't have happened.

Without strong borders this won't be the last tragedy.

You are a prime example of the clueless people who didn't know what they were voting for.


Its fúck all to do with Brexit anyway.

FutureTeashock

STB. wrote: »

You are a prime example of the clueless people who didn't know what they were voting for.


Its fúck all to do with Brexit anyway.

Being called clueless by a moron like you is more than a bit rich.

Kidchameleon

splinter65 wrote: »

I can’t imagine anything worse. They can’t be paid too much as far as I’m concerned.

They are well trained, you dont need to worry about them.

Quantum Erasure

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The drivers sister is quoted in saying that... He was incredibly distraught, was the one who rang emergency services and has since been released from custody..

still in custody as of BBC 7AM news

Sir Oxman

Up Donegal wrote: »

Perhaps it was the tractor unit that came through Holyhead?

Yeah, we know the two routes taken now but during the morning the reporting was all over the place.

Sir Oxman

TheChizler wrote: »

Is there any indication the tractor unit has been in Bulgaria since it was registered 2017? The way the media has presented it is that the migrants got on there a few days ago.

According to Bulgaria, no.
It was registered there in 2017 and hasn't entered Bulgaria since.