Wonder Woman 1984

omerin

"I wish all you irish bastards would get sent back to where you came from".

How did this racist comment make the final edit?????

Why not go the whole way and have a sign no blacks, no irish, no dogs in a B&B instead having it in a cafe. Wouldnt want to offend BLM or someone of indian, Pakistan or the muslim community but its ok for us paddies, we are a great bunch of lads.

The film is utter ****e, Galdot has the screen presence of a brussel sprout

Agent Coulson

omerin wrote: »

"I wish all you irish bastards would get sent back to where you came from".

How did this racist comment make the final edit?????

That scene was set in 1984 England so that would have been pretty authentic to be fair.

omerin

Correct but why use it, why not an example i mentioned or an african American in the US or a Wall St stock broker and a homeless guy ...... There is a lot of changes in film, literature, arts, a lot of "white washing" of history as a result of the black community highlighting and they are sensitive and rightly so as to what has happened in the past and want change.
You could go to the extreme and look at the scene and could argue that the irish guy represented the ira when he wished violence on the English woman.
It was a pointless throwaway scene that shouldn't have been included in an awful film

youngblood

First 20 minutes give totally Superman 1 vibes and really well executed, score amazing, rest of the film good superhero flick and the ending was a refreshing relief to the usual grand smash-no-clue-what-is happening-cgi-show down...... Now the end credit scene made me jizz my pants so on the whole, really enjoyed it

highgiant1985

I found this film awful tbh. Some rare moments of note during the film but on a whole this was, for me, just awful to watch and I couldn’t wait for it to end.

It was just a real disappointment tbh. I had loved the first film but this one just never got going for me.

3/10 rating.

SimonTemplar

I really liked the Donner / Reeve Superman tone of the first half because it felt quite refreshing after the murky darkness of the recent DC Batman / Superman movies.

I also liked how this actually felt smaller-scale compared to the first movie, especially in the third act. They resisted the normal approach for superhero sequels of trying to go bigger than the previous movie. My biggest criticism of the first WW movie was that the ending was an big CGI mess and they largely avoided that here.

The final conflict was a battle of emotion and willpower rather than explosions and fantastical destructive powers.

It is a little too long though and the final fight between Diana and Barbara wasn't very impressive. I kept thinking of Michelle Pfeiffer's Selina Kyle when watching Barbara throughout the movie.

I liked it overall, I'd give it 4/5

SimonTemplar

SimonTemplar wrote: »

I also liked how this actually felt smaller-scale compared to the first movie, especially in the third act.

Smaller scale, how? Everyone on the planet was involved/affected.

thomas anderson.

omerin wrote: »

"I wish all you irish bastards would get sent back to where you came from".

How did this racist comment make the final edit?????

Why not go the whole way and have a sign no blacks, no irish, no dogs in a B&B instead having it in a cafe. Wouldnt want to offend BLM or someone of indian, Pakistan or the muslim community but its ok for us paddies, we are a great bunch of lads.

The film is utter ****e, Galdot has the screen presence of a brussel sprout

Yep found that to be pretty ridiculous myself. What was the point of it.....

omerin

omerin wrote: »

...Galdot has the screen presence of a brussel sprout

I agree with you on your overall assessment of the movie. But, I don't think many will agree with you when it comes to Gal Gadot. She has huge screen presence. If it wasn't for her I'd have happily walked out of the film. She is the perfect WW. And you cannot fault her for the movie, that's down to the script writer, director, and possibly the producers for greenlighting it

gmisk

I really enjoyed that I have to say.
Gal Gadot has grown into the role imo.
I will say it is really over long and some of the CGI is very poor in places

the cheetah character especially

some of the other parts feel a bit weightless if you know what I mean.
Really enjoyed Kristen Wiig but Pedro Pascal was probably the standout.
7.5/10

MJohnston

Loved it. 9 out of 10 for me. I may be in the minority but it connected with me deeply on two separate character beats - one the idea of saying goodbye to a loved one for a second time. And two the idea of raising a child being this massively scary thing that you’re afraid of ****ing up constantly, and then somehow they love you anyway no matter what. Also loved that it ends with a battle for the heart and not some pointless villain fight.

I watched this in a dark room, phone off, as close to cinema experience as possible. I suspect a lot of people will have watched it with a lot of distractions. I dunno whether that makes a difference but I think it might.

The White Wolf

I haven't watched the film yet but scrolling through the Rotten Tomatoes reviews, they really need to sort out limiting their access again.

Be it positive or negative every second review is from some nobody blogger. Given the importance that so many people put on the "RTometer" (and there are, check out any American fan forum and you'll see threads dedicated to the meter), it really is incredible giving such sway to amateur hour reviewers.

It's only this genre as well and similar tentpole films that they'll bother writing a review on which leads to a ludicrous review count compared to most other genres. That most of all just shows the difference between a professional and amateur. Look at Mark Kermode for example, who like any other person has his favoured genres but will happily take on the responsibility to apply his critique to any film being released in the cinema.

larchielads

First bit of old superman style got me hyped up thinkin to myself this is good, but oh my god what a let down. First wonder woman was prob the best dc movie made towards man of steel ,batman v supes etc.

The Phantom Pain

Yeah, think I'm gonna avoid this thread until I've seen the film. Too many spoilers untagged. :rolleyes:

SimonTemplar

Deleted User wrote: »

Smaller scale, how? Everyone on the planet was involved/affected.

Smaller scale in terms of the visual spectacle on screen but not necessarily the impact of the villain's plan.

MJohnston

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Smaller scale in terms of the visual spectacle on screen but not necessarily the impact of the villain's plan.

The best way I’ve seen it put is that was an internalised conflict - people had to understand and change what was inside them - rather than some externalised danger - a space army or a portal or a destructive bad guy (like Aries in the first film).

I think *that* is what made it far smaller scale for me in a way that I really enjoyed. It also just made for a more satisfying and interesting resolution imo - it was an emotional battle rather than a physical one.

I guess I can see why people might hate that but I though it was an excellent approach.

SimonTemplar

MJohnston wrote: »

The best way I’ve seen it put is that was an internalised conflict - people had to understand and change what was inside them - rather than some externalised danger - a space army or a portal or a destructive bad guy (like Aries in the first film).

I think *that* is what made it far smaller scale for me in a way that I really enjoyed. It also just made for a more satisfying and interesting resolution imo - it was an emotional battle rather than a physical one.

I guess I can see why people might hate that but I though it was an excellent approach.

Yes, I agree. I wonder was that influenced by the common criticism of the over-the-top fight with Aries at the end of the first movie.

PsychoPete

Gal Gadot is absolutely fantastic as Wonder Woman, Kristen Wiig seems to play the same kind of character in everything but wasn't really feeling her character until

She made the wish

. Pascel Pedro was very good, thought he do an excellent job. Parts of the start have a real Spiderman feel with all the swinging around, some nice nods to characters and objects from the first Wonder Woman film. As for the

Irish comment

it was the 80s in England so you'd expect that. I expected more 80s from it maybe they didn't want to go down the nostalgia route but overall found it enjoyable but not as good as the first Wonder Woman. I did like the appearance from

Lynda Carter

.

JupiterKid

I will have to see this.

Big Wonder Woman fan here - since I was a kid and the original 1970s TV series with Lynda Carter was re-run for the first time.

The WW film with Gal Gadot was superb, and the trailers for this one look promising.

Sleeper12

JupiterKid wrote:

Big Wonder Woman fan here - since I was a kid and the original 1970s TV series with Lynda Carter was re-run for the first time.

This is also on HBO MAX if anyone is interested

safetyboy

What did i just watch? I love a good superhero film but i'm speechless..

MJohnston

JupiterKid wrote: »

I will have to see this.

Big Wonder Woman fan here - since I was a kid and the original 1970s TV series with Lynda Carter was re-run for the first time.

May I recommend sticking around for the mid-credits scene in that case

notahappycamper

Good God this is sh*te. Too long. The acting was certainly back in the 80’s. Then the Irish racist comment that came out of no where, well it came out of the 80’s but still. Besides that, really poor.

The Phantom Pain

Watched it now. WB is dumb enough to force those from the UK to wait until January and seeing as spoilers are out there I wasn’t going to risk any more by waiting. So yeah, screw you WB.

What I will say is this:
I am someone who is able to suspend their belief very easy especially for sci fi/superhero /fantasy films. People often have to point out to me plot holes or logic flaws in narratives ...but Wonder Woman 84 is taking the mick lol

The entire invisible jet sequence made no sense. Like, if the outside is invisible then wouldn't the inside have to be invisible…yet it wasn't?

How does going invisible keep them off the radar sensors? Is that how radar sensors work i.e. purely visual?

There is no way Steve would be able to pilot a plane in the 80s...planes have developed since the early 1900s so you'd need entirely new training for that.

How did Cheetah get a second wish? I thought the plot established you can only have one?

The trade for the wish is your “most valuable possession” but Maxwell Lord was taking things that may not necessarily be someone's most valuable possession.
It may be valuable to him but not to the person he is taking it from.

And um, I’m pretty sure that Wonder Woman raped a man....

Despite all that, I enjoyed it but on a purely superficial level. I liked the Maxwell Lord scenes and the general acting. Some of cinematography and score music were gorgeous but then I'd expect no less from Zimmer.

The action sequences were quite poor though. The cheetah fight scene was obviously shot at night/made to look like it takes place at night to hide dodgy CGI, though I thought the CGI for her looked fine for what it was.

One last thing:

omerin wrote: »

Correct but why use it, why not an example i mentioned or an african American in the US or a Wall St stock broker and a homeless guy ...... There is a lot of changes in film, literature, arts, a lot of "white washing" of history as a result of the black community highlighting and they are sensitive and rightly so as to what has happened in the past and want change.
You could go to the extreme and look at the scene and could argue that the irish guy represented the ira when he wished violence on the English woman.
It was a pointless throwaway scene that shouldn't have been included in an awful film

I’m sorry but I literally lol’d reading this. I know you think it's important and I don't want to come across as callous but... the Irish comment is nowhere near on the scale of how black people are portrayed in cinema. The first Hollywood film ever was literal propaganda against black people. Most films today featuring black people are through the lens of oppression (that is when not being portrayed as criminals or buffoons) and we never get to see historical films about black people pre slavery which is fascinating if you've read up on it. It’s not merely being sensitive, there is a literally data supporting the concerns of the, eh, “black community”. The Irish comment was trivial by comparison. You’ll live, I think…

MJohnston

People are being weird about the Irish people line - it was clearly *supposed to be* something hateful and racist! It’s not like it was put in there for laughs, it happens in the midst of a bunch of other horrible ****.

biggebruv

Just finished not terrible but forgettable just like most superhero stuff these days IMO this would have been a better movie all round if it was just under 2hours a needlessly long movie of what is such a simple ridiculous story even the simpsons covered it in a 10mintue Halloween special from 1991 hehe

FedoraTheAura

JupiterKid wrote: »

I will have to see this.

Big Wonder Woman fan here - since I was a kid and the original 1970s TV series with Lynda Carter was re-run for the first time.

The WW film with Gal Gadot was superb, and the trailers for this one look promising.

This was a massive letdown compared to the first WW movie. Was really looking forward to it but it actually borders on ridiculous at times

But in regards to Lynda Carter, don’t look up spoilers, you’re in for a treat, really wasn’t expecting it

Snake Plisken

Watched the first WW movie and the new one back to back and whist the first one is far superior I did enjoy WW84, I did like seeing Steve Trevor make a comeback in this as I do like the love story between them. Pedro Pascal & Kristen Wig made decent enough villains. So not as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

mightyreds

Didn't really hit the spot for me, was ok not great some of the cgi was terrible, some of her running and jumping parts was just flailing arms and legs. Also the part with the kids and it's obviously 2 dolls rolling around, like something out of team america.

I'll wait on the synder cut.

youngblood

JupiterKid wrote: »

I will have to see this.

Big Wonder Woman fan here - since I was a kid and the original 1970s TV series with Lynda Carter was re-run for the first time.

The WW film with Gal Gadot was superb, and the trailers for this one look promising.

Your gonna like it!

biggebruv

mightyreds wrote: »

Didn't really hit the spot for me, was ok not great some of the cgi was terrible, some of her running and jumping parts was just flailing arms and legs. Also the part with the kids and it's obviously 2 dolls rolling around, like something out of team america.

I'll wait on the synder cut.

Huh there is no synder cut he’s not involved in this movie

fluke

Just finished it. It definitely could be trimmed, but I actually might have enjoyed this more than the first, and I thought the first was just okay.

Definitely some Donner Superman vibes.

Goodshape

Silly fun. I enjoyed most of it.

fritzelly

Was a passable film but felt too much like a Superman movie to be honest even in as much like it was actually made in 1984 with the weak story and terrible CGI

The villain of the story was a totally weak villain - no Gene Hackman

Was looking forward to it after the first one but not that satisfied with it

silverharp

it not terrible, didnt hate it but the effects are bad especially the cable/cgi stuff, made for TV movie stuff. As the movie went on the whole mcguffin plot made less and less sense. Wiig's character didnt work, contrived, I guess to have fight scenes in the movie. There are more plot holes in the flight scenes than swiss cheese.

mightyreds

biggebruv wrote: »

Huh there is no synder cut he’s not involved in this movie

pah

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Damn the soundtrack will be epic

This post is from a year ago.

It was not epic, I don't remember a single track after watching it last night.

FedoraTheAura

pah wrote: »

This post is from a year ago.

It was not epic, I don't remember a single track after watching it last night.

There was the amazing piece that sampled ‘Is she with you?’ during the car chase but it was ruined with WW rolling around with what was clearly 2 dolls. I laughed out loud at that point

PhiloCypher

Mixed bag for me. Really enjoyed the score and the performances( Pedro Pascals especially), the chemistry between Gadot and Pine was predictably great. I thought the premise had .... well promise, with Diana having to make the ultimate sacrifice

and let Steve go by renouncing her wish

. But it just didn't coalesce into a very good film, it was overlong, the effects weren't quite there especially when she ran, and the actions scenes weren't a patch on the first films.

On my phone so quoting a long post would be tough.

If it was a male super hero and

he had sex with an inhabited female

it would definitely have fallen foul of today's sensibilities. But because it was a beautiful woman and an

inhabited

male it's seen as a lot less creepy.

kdevitt

Deleted User wrote: »

On my phone so quoting a long post would be tough.

If it was a male super hero and

he had sex with an inhabited female

it would definitely have fallen foul of today's sensibilities. But because it was a beautiful woman and an

inhabited

male it's seen as a lot less creepy.

The whole Wonder Woman raped a man thing is all over the twitterverse at the moment, was a very odd way to approach bringing back Steve Trevor. He was being brought back by magic, why he needed a donor body is beyond me - disbelief is already suspended by that stage

Anyway, I got to see this in an iSense screen, and was really looking forward to it - really liked the original WW movie. Its a 5/10 movie for me - which is potentially on the generous side. I really didn't enjoy it, my wife hated it. Its cheesy on a Batman & Robin level. Some people enjoy that obviously, but theres no doubting that its a marmite movie.

FortuneChip

Nice use of A Beautiful Lie from BvS in that it worked with the narrative.

Not so impressed with the use of John Murphy's delicious score. If they wanted to use music that already existed, why not just use Zimmers "Flight", would have been a nice nod to the DCU?

All in all, twas ok. As said before, the effects lacked, too long, and just didn't seem to flow well, seemed like a lot of jumps happening to get the trio together near the end.

micks_address

Watched it today on hbo max. Decided to leave it few days and watched in the morning to avoid US traffic load. Disappointed with it to be honest. Watched first one last night and feel it’s much better. Just dragged after opening scene and the whole thing just felt slow. I’ll have a look at reviews but I’d say maybe 3 out of 5

micks_address

MJohnston wrote: »

People are being weird about the Irish people line - it was clearly *supposed to be* something hateful and racist! It’s not like it was put in there for laughs, it happens in the midst of a bunch of other horrible ****.

It did seem quite jarring all the same

Sleeper12

First movie is far better but I didn't think this was terrible. Myself and my wife both enjoyed it for what it was.

Stark

I liked it. Bit too long at 2 and a half hours but thankfully the typical DC movies hour long messy CGI battle sequence with crap flying everywhere and not a hope of actually following what's going on never happened. Good to see Wonder Woman back in the classic blue and red outfit rather than the drab brown potato sack job she was clad in for her other movie appearances. Somewhat disappointed they didn't go with the comic books resolution to Maxwell Lord's world takeover (

In the Infinite Crisis series, Wonder Woman is forced to execute him in order to put an end to everything and the execution is broadcast worldwide, losing her the trust of Batman and Superman and the world in general

). All the actors involved did a good job I thought.

As DC movies go, it's way better than the average fare. (Obviously that's not saying much).

JP Liz V1

It seems a third is coming

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/third-wonder-woman-movie-officially-192900884.html

Snake Plisken

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It seems a third is coming

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/third-wonder-woman-movie-officially-192900884.html

I doubt Patty will be left anywhere near the writing of this I actually expect her to be replaced with the excuse of scheduling conflicts.
There are talks of the flash travelling back in time and rescuing Steve seconds before the plane blows up in the first movie and hiding him on the amazonian Island which will stop him aging that's one way they are thinking of how to bring Steve back

razorblunt

So eh all the Irish are booted out of England in this timeline?

that’s a plot hole not resolved. The wisher is either dead or wasn’t conscious to rescind her wish. Just our luck

expectationlost

MJohnston wrote: »

People are being weird about the Irish people line - it was clearly *supposed to be* something hateful and racist! It’s not like it was put in there for laughs, it happens in the midst of a bunch of other horrible ****.

they were a couple ? husband and wife?