Nissan Ariya

copeyhagen

fair ****s to nissan. now if they could just produce a r32 4 door sedan skyline with a decent battery id be sold for nostalgia alone :P

Thierry12

80sDiesel wrote: »

The new qashqai is reportedly also coming with E Power. Basically a Rex with a tiny battery. Very popular in Japan in the note.

E Power is something ive always liked

Best of both worlds

Electric drive train for that gear free instant power/torque and petrol as the fuel source

Perfect combo for many

How small a battery we talking about ? is it driven in any way by the engine ?

80sDiesel

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How small a battery we talking about ? is it driven in any way by the engine ?

Note epower in Japan is a 1.5kWh with a 3 cylinder engine . The Serena is 1.8kWh .Should be larger on both accounts for European rollout.

Engine only chargers the battery.

80sDiesel

80sDiesel wrote: »

Note epower in Japan is a 1.5kWh with a 3 cylinder engine . The Serena is 1.8kWh .Should be larger on both accounts for European rollout.

Engine only chargers the battery.

1.8 Kwh, Jaysus that's pathetic.

JPA

I feel like I'm missing the point of e-power. What's the advantage?
The engine will be running all the time right?

Thierry12

JPA wrote: »

I feel like I'm missing the point of e-power. What's the advantage?
The engine will be running all the time right?

No need to charge the car, driven by the electric motor and mpg is pretty good as engine runs at optimum rpm

e Note does 0 - 100kmh in 7ish secs, weights 1200kg and does 55mpg

Some improvement over a 13 sec, 1 litre petrol

Thierry12

[Deleted User] wrote: »

1.8 Kwh, Jaysus that's pathetic.

Its not a pluggin, battery is constantly charged by engine

Thierry12

Thierry12 wrote: »

Its not a pluggin, battery is constantly charged by engine

There's be no point plugging it in lol

It's sad, they could have done a lot better.

JPA

Thierry12 wrote: »

No need to charge the car, driven by the electric motor and mpg is pretty good as engine runs at optimum rpm

e Note does 0 - 100kmh in 7ish secs, weights 1200kg and does 55mpg

Some improvement over a 13 sec, 1 litre petrol

Seems like a backward step, it shouldn't even be discussed in this forum!

liamog

JPA wrote: »

Seems like a backward step, it shouldn't even be discussed in this forum!

It's just another hybrid really, no different than any other without a plug
They're allowed in the forum, though they are veering off topic in an Ariya thread ...

Thierry12

liamog wrote: »

It's just another hybrid really, no different than any other without a plug
They're allowed in the forum, though they are veering off topic in an Ariya thread ...

Its completely different Liam

Its driven by the electric motor all the time

The driving experience will be exactly like an EV with no charging required

liamog

Thierry12 wrote: »

Its completely different Liam

Its driven by the electric motor all the time

The driving experience will be exactly like an EV with no charging required

It's just a different form of hybrid, the point was more to indicate that it's ok to be on the EV&Hybrids forum. I suspect you will need to charge it with petrol, that tank isn't going to fill itself :P

80sDiesel

Thierry12 wrote: »

Its completely different Liam

Its driven by the electric motor all the time

The driving experience will be exactly like an EV with no charging required

Agree. It’s an EV which instead of having to wait to load up the electrons at a power outlet, instead it is resupplied quickly with an energy source(petrol) to create those elections on the move.

liamog

80sDiesel wrote: »

Agree. It’s an EV which instead of having to wait to load up the electrons at a power outlet, instead it is resupplied quickly with an energy source(petrol) to create those elections on the move.

It's still a hybrid vehicle. Just as the I3 with a REx is a hybrid. It's not taking away from the fact that it's a good idea.

We have HEV, MHEV, FCEV, BEV, PHEV, probably needs a new label for super REx's.

Thierry12

liamog wrote: »

It's still a hybrid vehicle. Just as the I3 with a REx is a hybrid. It's not taking away from the fact that it's a good idea.

We have HEV, MHEV, FCEV, BEV, PHEV, probably needs a new label for super REx's.

PEV ;-)

Thierry12

Nissan GTR 2022 will be a PEV

4 electric motors

800bhp

liamog

liamog wrote: »

It's still a hybrid vehicle. Just as the I3 with a REx is a hybrid. It's not taking away from the fact that it's a good idea.

We have HEV, MHEV, FCEV, BEV, PHEV, probably needs a new label for super REx's.

Like the Rex but not quite, Rex is the only PHEV on the planet with so much EV range and can actually charge at a fast charger at full 50 Kw and the only reason they didn't add it with the 44 Kwh battery is because they didn't want to pay for recertification because BMW couldn't make up their minds whether they were going to keep it in production or not, at the time the Rex was scrapped BMW announced the end of the i3 would be end of 2019. BMW came up with the BS that with the 44 Kwh or 120 Ah there was no need for the Rex.....poor decision.

cannco253

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/24/the-new-nissan-ariya-an-exclusive-interview-with-nissan-chief-engineer-hikaru-nakajima/

Good article about the Ariya, didn't know this about the reveal date..Volkswagen is also going to be doing it for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

"Why did NISSAN announce this car a year before its release?

The announcement was scheduled to coincide with the Tokyo Olympics, so that we could exhibit the ARIYA at events. We decided to proceed with the announcement, despite the postponement of the Olympics."

80sDiesel

Some great up close video of the Ariya exterior and interior design details

https://youtu.be/73q5vqtY938

DrPhilG

This is a fine looking car. Sadly the price is bound to be mental for the higher spec.

Lantus

It's 40k for the starting model which may well be OK if it starts at the mid range ambition level.

If your in the 40k car market its not too bad for a good sized suv.

I just wonder with remote working becoming a provable and long term solution how many will feel the need to invest in long range expensive evs when fuel bills continue to tumble to meager levels.

My fuel bill is down from 160 a month to nearer 40. If new measures come into effect I'll be at nearer 20 a month which will require sale of the diesel and purchase of a really well specd petrol for 20 something. Even if I buy a 30k petrol it would take 40 years to get pay back compared to this ev. So no point.....

We have already delivered huge carbon savings around the world over the last 8 months. Its time to address the real issue which is outdated city design.

unkel

Jonny Smith does a "studio" review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IMgNbIZI4

Looking good, should be a popular car here. Ideal upgrade for a lot of current Leaf owners

UK starting price of £37k for the base FWD version. That seems very steep though given that a Kia e-Niro is under £30k after the £3k grant over there

Geeyfds53573

unkel wrote: »

Jonny Smith does a "studio" review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IMgNbIZI4

Looking good, should be a popular car here. Ideal upgrade for a lot of current Leaf owners

UK starting price of £37k for the base FWD version. That seems very steep though given that a Kia e-Niro is under £30k after the £3k grant over there

Will be populate alright looks great inside and out.

So am I correct in saying the basic model approx
€40 k with grants

Very interesting.

130 Kw CCS, though that's meaningless without charge time figures. Seems a little low with 90 Kw battery ?

90 Kwh is impressive from Nissan but I'd say that will push the cost towards 60 K Euro's here after grant ?

22 KW AC is brilliant though and about time........

Ariya name is ****. But it's a cool looking car

Not bad looking inside. Right price this will sell well. But I can't see the 90 Kwh for less than 60-65 K or even more, for a Nissan ?

Any ETA ?

Give me a 4WD performance 90 Kwh please lol, can't imagine the cost of that, 80k ?

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Jonny Smith does a "studio" review

Looking good, should be a popular car here. Ideal upgrade for a lot of current Leaf owners

UK starting price of £37k for the base FWD version. That seems very steep though given that a Kia e-Niro is under £30k after the £3k grant over there

Imagine the cost of the 90 Kwh AWD Performance ? :eek:

unkel

Yep particularly because we now have a "luxury car" tax on EVs costing more than average with the new VRT system :rolleyes:

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Yep particularly because we now have a "luxury car" tax on EVs costing more than average with the new VRT system :rolleyes:

How does this new vrt system work again ?

Government clowns should remove VRT it's thieving and there is absolutely no justification for it.

kaahooters

Deleted User wrote: »

Very interesting.

130 Kw CCS, though that's meaningless without charge time figures. Seems a little low with 90 Kw battery ?

what do you mean charge time?

130kw ccs for a 90kw battery is like, 70%

so 70% of an hour is 42 min, straight out.

so for the usuall 10%-80% charge itll be like 30 min with another 30 min for the last 20%

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Yep particularly because we now have a "luxury car" tax on EVs costing more than average with the new VRT system :rolleyes:

No we dont.


Actual Luxury cars like the X and the Taycan are cheaper under this new system.

ELM327

kaahooters wrote: »

what do you mean charge time?

130kw ccs for a 90kw battery is like, 70%

so 70% of an hour is 42 min, straight out.

so for the usuall 10%-80% charge itll be like 30 min with another 30 min for the last 20%

You can't assume that.


It could be 130kW from 10%-20% SOC only, or 130kW from 5-80% SOC, or anything in between


This is referred to as the charge curve. Look at Bjorns videos comparing the Etron with other EVs that also have "150kW" charging and you'll see the importance of the curve

kaahooters

kaahooters wrote: »

what do you mean charge time?

130kw ccs for a 90kw battery is like, 70%

so 70% of an hour is 42 min, straight out.

so for the usuall 10%-80% charge itll be like 30 min with another 30 min for the last 20%

Charging power in Kw is really only used for marketing but it's not really any use if it can pull 130 Kw for 5 mins then ramp down to 50 Kw after 20 mins etc. The total time to charge is more important to know.

Also cold has a big impact and Nissan are not known for their Thermal management so what could be 130 Kw for a warm battery could be 30 Kw for a very cold battery. Other cars have the potential to warm their batteries but due to some mad engineering decisions don't heat for charging properly only for max acceleration and regen.

TheBoyConor

Even if they have resolved the issues of the Leaf, it is almost inevitable that this model will come as standard with a whole other slew of reliability and quality issues. I think anyone buying the first run of a new model is mad. If you are keen to buy new, then wait until the 3rd or 4th model year when the quality and design flaws of the first generation have become apparent, and hopefully, rectified on subsequent production versions.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

No we dont.


Actual Luxury cars like the X and the Taycan are cheaper under this new system.

When I say cars costing more than average, I meant cars in the €45-€70k range. These are now more expensive than before. Very high end cars above €70k are now cheaper as you say.

Not sure why this change was put in, it's pretty stupid. The most important principle of tax collection is the ease of collection. Make a €100k car €1k more expensive because of extra tax and this will pass unnoticed, nobody will care and nobody will not buy that €100k car now because of the higher tax. But hey the government in their wisdom decides to do the opposite :rolleyes: And that during a time where the total tax collected has collapsed compared to previous years and spending is going through the roof :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Ah shure we'll get a few more printing presses to print EUR notes just like the yanks have shown us..

ELM327

At least the € means our banana republic can't print its own money. Because we would have done so many times over at this point.

Our levels of VRT are ridiculous, and saying its for climate change is also nonsense. I was looking at importing a Taycan or a Model X from Germany (LHD of course, but still 10-15% cheaper than here) and there is still VRT on those. Full electric cars should not have VRT.

80sDiesel

Seems impressed with the interior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_duN3ipqIo

Red Silurian

ELM327 wrote: »

At least the € means our banana republic can't print its own money. Because we would have done so many times over at this point.

Our levels of VRT are ridiculous, and saying its for climate change is also nonsense. I was looking at importing a Taycan or a Model X from Germany (LHD of course, but still 10-15% cheaper than here) and there is still VRT on those. Full electric cars should not have VRT.

Vrt is 0 for electric cars though

colmtheperson

colmtheperson wrote: »

Vrt is 0 for electric cars though

No it's not, there's something like 3,500 Euro's worth of VRT on a M3 for a total of 12,100 in tax you have to give the Government for free. Tesla beak it down for you and it's a real eyeopener as to how much we're screwed in Ireland.

Without the tax the M3 SR + would cost around 35,900, that's less than a Kia E-Niro costs lol it's mental.

ELM327

colmtheperson wrote: »

Vrt is 0 for electric cars though

Absolutely and categorically untrue.

ewj1978

Personally ,and I've 2 Ev's, they should do away with tthe VRT rebate. Its just free cash to these car companies.

pdpmur

ewj1978 wrote: »

Personally ,and I've 2 Ev's, they should do away with tthe VRT rebate. Its just free cash to these car companies.

What VRT rebate would that be? Is it the one that was done away with in the last budget, effective from 1st of January this year?

ELM327

ewj1978 wrote: »

Personally ,and I've 2 Ev's, they should do away with tthe VRT rebate. Its just free cash to these car companies.

Not the vrt rebate, the SEAI grant, but yes you are correct


Give it as a tax credit to the purchaser instead of off the sales price to the OEM

Black_Knight

Bjorn got a look in.

https://youtu.be/PVNqMDv_kRI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVNqMDv_kRI

Somewhat preproduction.
Boot looks small without dropping the floor.
Middle back seat looks impossible to sit in with the centre console jutting back into it.. though it seems it slides forward.
Interior kinda looks a bit drab. Like a Japanese businessman's briefcase.

OH center console moves forward and backwards electronically too, now that's cool, whether it will be in the production model or not is anyone's guess.

The interior is impressive, the boot is pretty tight, and FWD, it's a real shame that Nissan are still building ICE based electrics.

Geeyfds53573

It’s a fine car very nice indeed - it’s getting a bit of attention lately - price point seems like it’s going to be higher than initially thought

80sDiesel

[Deleted User] wrote: »

it's a real shame that Nissan are still building ICE based electrics.

It’s their new EV platform.

80sDiesel

80sDiesel wrote: »

It’s their new EV platform.

New EV platform based on ICE tech everything mounted in the front, I suppose the difference is I think they will have the option of 2 motors and one will obviously be in the rear but the motor should drive the rear wheels as standard.

80sDiesel

[Deleted User] wrote: »

New EV platform based on ICE tech everything mounted in the front, I suppose the difference is I think they will have the option of 2 motors and one will obviously be in the rear but the motor should drive the rear wheels as standard.

Apparently it was cheaper to have the motor in the front thus reducing cost. I am eager to see how their new e-4orce awd system works

slave1

Ha ha, beautiful looking car but good luck trying to park perfectly to charger it as a eCars High Power charger, that charge port is in a loopy position

slave1

ewj1978 wrote: »

Personally ,and I've 2 Ev's, they should do away with tthe VRT rebate. Its just free cash to these car companies.

What about those of us who imported, none of that cash went to the car companies