Galway traffic

Laviski

Also I'm sure people would like to take bus home on one leg of the journey in event of heavy weather. So at least cycle one leg of the journey. Regardless of wearing full gear or not noone likes cycling in that crap.

Like a lot of things said, it comes down to options which Galway has none.

fergiesfolly

I watched the video of how they load the bikes on the bus. Looked impractical from a daily use point of view. If you're getting off first and your bike is on the inside of one or two others, on a crowded bus, full of passengers and kids buggies etc. A "boot" at the side with it's own door seems more practical.
Not that we'll see either any time soon.

what_traffic

Wombatman wrote: »

Cycling Plan for Galway. I think most on here would love to see it implemented.

https://www.galwaycity.ie/uploads/downloads/news_items/Traffic-Transport/GTS/GTS%20Appendix%20F%20Cycle%20Network%20and%20Infrastructure%20Development.pdf

It is not the only solution. Only part of a possible solution. Pity this has to be pointed out, but it is clearly not obvious to some people who are pathologically against new infrastructure for cars (more and more electric), buses, trucks, vans and motorbikes. Their agenda gets way to much air time in this thread.

Where is the ORAL Hearing for that? Where is the money for the non-Ring Road stuff? The GTS really is a smokescreen for the Ring Road project.

Wombatman

what_traffic wrote: »

Where is the ORAL Hearing for that? Where is the money for the non-Ring Road stuff? The GTS really is a smokescreen for the Ring Road project.

What do you think of this point?

Finally, the models also showed that without additional extra network capacity (such as the ring road), the deployment of additional public transport and cycle lanes in the city centre would only result in greater congestion, reflecting the significantly-constrained current transport network.

https://www.arup.com/projects/galway-transport-strategy

what_traffic

Wombatman wrote: »

What do you think of this point?
https://www.arup.com/projects/galway-transport-strategy

Its worth is diminishing when nothing has been done over the past 4 years since GTS has been drafted and published. Lots of areas where Public transport could have been improved, if measures were undertaken. Nothing done.

In fairness to ARUP from the very start (back in 2013) they have been hedging there bets here as well by saying (even back then) that a Ring Road on its own will not solve car traffic mess in the City.

What do thing of the following?
If a consultancy firm is tasked with producing an outcome are you really going to against the grain of that outcome?

ChewyLouie

Wombatman wrote: »

What do you think of this point?


https://www.arup.com/projects/galway-transport-strategy

"Galway County Council and Transport Infrastructure Ireland appointed Arup to develop a bypass for the city."

Then they realised to get through planning they would need to show they considered other options...

So...

"Galway City Council commissioned Arup to design a city-wide integrated transport strategy"

And the outcome?...

"The N6 Galway City Ring Road (GCRR) is a key component of this transport strategy"

It's a bit like ordering a turkey from the butcher then asking - "do you think maybe a plant based alternative would be better? I'll go with whatever you think yourself."

Mrs OBumble

fergiesfolly wrote: »

I watched the video of how they load the bikes on the bus. Looked impractical from a daily use point of view.

Not to mention if there's a couple of bicycles on board, and a wheelchair user wants to board. Are the bicycle users going to get out of the way? My arse they are.


Routes in Galway are designed so that a large %age of people are living within 10 minutes walk of a bus-stop. No need for bicycles at the home end.

Laviski

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Not to mention if there's a couple of bicycles on board, and a wheelchair user wants to board. Are the bicycle users going to get out of the way? My arse they are.


Routes in Galway are designed so that a large %age of people are living within 10 minutes walk of a bus-stop. No need for bicycles at the home end.

Yeah its great if you live/work in around eyre square.

If you are arse end of salthill/knocknacarra ( draw straight line from westside pitches through to lesuireland) and want to get to work in ballybrit ind park or park more ind park. you are looking at a commute on bus on a good day 2 hours on a real bad day you could double that. You be faster walking when that happens.

Screw that...

those people will simple justify a car, than use PT. Yes you could cycle that but who wants to cycle in the crap we had over the last few weeks even if fully geared.

Screw that.

ChewyLouie

Extinction Rebellion Galway will be protesting against the bypass at the western end of the Quincentenary Bridge (Circle K Newcastle) today and Thursday 5.30pm - 6.30pm. Just picketing from the footpath, doesn't sound like there'll be any traffic disruption caused.

https://www.facebook.com/events/839411406484843/

Mrs OBumble

Laviski wrote: »

If you are arse end of salthill/knocknacarra ( draw straight line from westside pitches through to lesuireland) and want to get to work in ballybrit ind park or park more ind park. you are looking at a commute on bus on a good day 2 hours on a real bad day you could double that. You be faster walking when that happens.

Agreed. But what's that got to do with having bicycles carried on board buses???

xckjoo

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Agreed. But what's that got to do with having bicycles carried on board buses???

Cycling to/from eyre Square and jumping on a bus would greatly reduce commute time. As would being able to hop off in heavy traffic and cycle the rest of the way.
The buses with the racks on front or back wound remove the storage space issues. Don't think they exist in this country though.

timmyntc

xckjoo wrote: »

Cycling to/from eyre Square and jumping on a bus would greatly reduce commute time. As would being able to hop off in heavy traffic and cycle the rest of the way.
The buses with the racks on front or back wound remove the storage space issues. Don't think they exist in this country though.

Cycling to eyre square and then getting the bus would mean you could lock your bike in eyre square, and get the bus?

Also the big issues with racks on bus would be that people could steal bikes off the bus when it stops, if the rack is on the back then nobody would even see it happen!

xckjoo

timmyntc wrote: »

Cycling to eyre square and then getting the bus would mean you could lock your bike in eyre square, and get the bus?

Also the big issues with racks on bus would be that people could steal bikes off the bus when it stops, if the rack is on the back then nobody would even see it happen!

I just used Eyre Square as an example. Could be the last part of the trip from where you get off the bus to work or to the closest bus stop to your house, etc.
The stealing could potentially be an issue I guess but they are successfully used in other cities. Pretty sure I saw them in New York not too long ago.

Laviski

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Agreed. But what's that got to do with having bicycles carried on board buses???

There two points, just because you said bus stops are 10mins walk away doesn't mean people should have no reason to using PT. There needs to be a service that doesn't go through Eyre square. That and ensuring day/weekly ticket is transferable on any bus regardless of company.

If working 9 to 5, your in the height of sitting in traffic. E-bike and off you go. However as I said before weather here can be rough and having the choice of getting to work on bike and take bus home when weather is crap or vice versa. Also if you happen to be 10 mins away from bus stop having bike is useful too.

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Mrs OBumble

Laviski wrote: »

There two points, just because you said bus stops are 10mins walk away doesn't mean people should have no reason to using PT. There needs to be a service that doesn't go through Eyre square. That and ensuring day/weekly ticket is transferable on any bus regardless of company.

If working 9 to 5, your in the height of sitting in traffic. E-bike and off you go. However as I said before weather here can be rough and having the choice of getting to work on bike and take bus home when weather is crap or vice versa. Also if you happen to be 10 mins away from bus stop having bike is useful too.

If you cannot manage a 10 minute walk, you won't manage to cycle it either.

AndrewJRenko

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If you cannot manage a 10 minute walk, you won't manage to cycle it either.

For some people, a bike can be a great mobility aid, and can allow the person to travel independently over distances where walking would not be feasible.

Check out Christy's story.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/exercise-pays-back-the-effort-1.946217

Laviski

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If you cannot manage a 10 minute walk, you won't manage to cycle it either.

thats all you took from that....
wow

Storm 10

Mrs O Bumble sees only what he or she wants to see and looks at things with eye blinkers waste of time even responding

John_Rambo

You're either trolling or haven't a notion about cycling mrs OBumble.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Not to mention if there's a couple of bicycles on board, and a wheelchair user wants to board. Are the bicycle users going to get out of the way? My arse they are.

They do in Dublin on public transport. Every time.
I'm sure Galwegians are no different and will make way for wheelchair users.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If you cannot manage a 10 minute walk, you won't manage to cycle it either.

? Who told you this? You can cover vaster distances on bikes with less effort than walking, that's why people use them.

Ruhanna

dubhthach wrote: »

What about the other 75% of journey's? Did they give a breakdown of those by distance?

Why?

Mrs OBumble

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm sure Galwegians are no different and will make way for wheelchair users.

? Who told you this? You can cover vaster distances on bikes with less effort than walking, that's why people use them.

The buggy brigade don't make way for wheelchairs, I don't expect t the two wheeler crowd will either.


Yes, you can cover longer distances on a bicycle. That why you don't need to take them on city buses: you can ride the bicycle for the journey.

The suggestion that you might need it at the end of your journey is a nonsense when bus routes and stops are designed so that the end walk is only 10 minutes long.

at1withmyself

ChewyLouie wrote: »

Extinction Rebellion Galway will be protesting against the bypass at the western end of the Quincentenary Bridge (Circle K Newcastle) today and Thursday 5.30pm - 6.30pm. Just picketing from the footpath, doesn't sound like there'll be any traffic disruption caused.

https://www.facebook.com/events/839411406484843/

Passed them on the bridge and no disruption, was peaceful and harmless. One sign said that it will only remove 3% of traffic!

ChewyLouie

ChewyLouie wrote: »

Extinction Rebellion Galway will be protesting against the bypass at the western end of the Quincentenary Bridge (Circle K Newcastle) today and Thursday 5.30pm - 6.30pm. Just picketing from the footpath, doesn't sound like there'll be any traffic disruption caused.

https://www.facebook.com/events/839411406484843/

Swung by that way especially this evening to let a few roars of “build the bypass” but was after 6:30 so must have been over. Extinction rebellion me hole.

donvito99

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

Swung by that way especially this evening to let a few roars of “build the bypass”

That figures

bfa1509

at1withmyself wrote: »

Passed them on the bridge and no disruption, was peaceful and harmless. One sign said that it will only remove 3% of traffic!

Saw them as well this evening. Their signs were so confusing I wasn't sure if they were for or against the bypass.

If they start blocking the traffic in galway they will become extinct fairly quick themselves.

donvito99

bfa1509 wrote: »

If they start blocking the traffic in galway they will become extinct fairly quick themselves.

So no real change from the day to day then

ChewyLouie

at1withmyself wrote: »

Passed them on the bridge and no disruption, was peaceful and harmless. One sign said that it will only remove 3% of traffic!

Only 3% of the city traffic is passing through (bypassing) Galway City. The rest is starting within the city and/or going to a destination within the city.

ChewyLouie

ChewyLouie wrote: »

Only 3% of the city traffic is passing through (bypassing) Galway City. The rest is starting within the city and/or going to a destination within the city.

It’s a very flawed outlook, they are simply using a stat to suit their agenda but it makes no sense when you have origins and destinations quite a distance apart (but still “in the city”) that would massively benefit from being able to bypass the city centre and the existing routes into and out of the city centre.

cooperguy

ChewyLouie wrote: »

Only 3% of the city traffic is passing through (bypassing) Galway City. The rest is starting within the city and/or going to a destination within the city.

The rest wont be allowed on the road? I imagine travelling from the west side to parkmore would also be possible