Galway traffic

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

You're dynamic story telling is catching up with you! Stick with the truth, lies bite you on the bum, you'll always get caught out.

There was no lies, know well what I mean and if you don’t there isn’t much hope for you.

Just to help you out, I meant going to the pub doesn’t involve the car to the same extent as you don’t drive in, park, do some shopping and drop it to the car, do more shopping drop it to the car, get some food and then go to the car and go home.

When drinking It either gets parked and left for the night (and not as crucial to be as close by) or someone else’s car drops you in.

John_Rambo

Nox, if you were on a bike on the new bike lane in Salthill you'd be backpedaling so much your pants would get caught in the chain!

Leaving your fake news aside, Covid-19 seems to be a catalyst for reclaiming the cities streets for people (not cars). It's a global phenomenon that's been happening since the early nineties. All evidence points to the cities being healthier, more profitable and definitely more pleasant places to be. Galway is perfect for this, a bohemian city anchored in history and the arts. My wife is keen to buy a property in the city and further pedestrianisation and cycling infrastructure makes it all the more attractive.

Mrs OBumble

Post Covid, we are moving into a whole new world: social distancing requirements aren't going away. Shared transport outside of the immediate household is risky, some employers are actively encouraging (or even requiring) staff to totally avoid it - and right now, it's not actually available for leisure trips.

Far more people will be working from home some of the time (so available to receive deliveries), people have gotten more used to on-line shopping, queuing outside has been acceptable while the weather has been nice, but will be a total "nope" once it gets wet and cold. Overall retail space requirements are likely to shrink considerably.

At the same time, the labour and PPE cost of food businesses, especially eat-in or drink-in ones, is going to go through the roof. People just aren't going to be able to afford to socialise the way they did.

And the population is ageing: we will increasingly need to be mobility-impairment friendly - this includes motorised as well as person-powered vehicles.

I predict that city-centre traffic will become less and less of an issue, and far from banning cars the city will be welcoming anyone who will come there with open arms.

AndrewJRenko

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And the population is ageing: we will increasingly need to be mobility-impairment friendly - this includes motorised as well as person-powered vehicles.

Some interesting new solutions emerging, for sure


https://twitter.com/CycleRandR/status/1275709983712313345?s=19

AndrewJRenko

John_Rambo wrote: »

Apologies, I meant mall. A beige shopping centre, soulless, air conditioned models with electronic walkways, escalators, piped beige music, bland shops like Tommy Hilfigure with beige clothing, beige multi national canteen food, free parking for florid faced, out of breath men in comfortable cars.

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

Oh a mall, I know what that is and nothing wrong with them. Your looking down on them is laughable. Also Tommy Hilfiger is one of the shops that actually brings me into Galway city centre shopping as we have one on shop street. I shop there often, they make great clothes.

Sometimes it's just too easy.

blueshark2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Sometimes it's just too easy.

In fairness nox was responding directly to John_Rambo comment...

John_Rambo

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Post Covid, we are moving into a whole new world: social distancing requirements aren't going away. Shared transport outside of the immediate household is risky, some employers are actively encouraging (or even requiring) staff to totally avoid it - and right now, it's not actually available for leisure trips.

Far more people will be working from home some of the time (so available to receive deliveries), people have gotten more used to on-line shopping, queuing outside has been acceptable while the weather has been nice, but will be a total "nope" once it gets wet and cold. Overall retail space requirements are likely to shrink considerably.

At the same time, the labour and PPE cost of food businesses, especially eat-in or drink-in ones, is going to go through the roof. People just aren't going to be able to afford to socialise the way they did.

And the population is ageing: we will increasingly need to be mobility-impairment friendly - this includes motorised as well as person-powered vehicles.

I predict that city-centre traffic will become less and less of an issue, and far from banning cars the city will be welcoming anyone who will come there with open arms.

I wish your predictions were accurate, but they're way off the mark. Traffic levels in Galway City growing faster than the rest of Ireland and we're only at phase two. Don't forget, C-19 won't be with us for ever.

https://www.galwaydaily.com/news/transport/traffic-levels-in-galway-city-growing-faster-than-the-rest-of-ireland/

xckjoo

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

Fake news would be my take on that.

There are approx 180k people in county Galway, the vast majority of who use cars to get into the city. That’s more than twice the population of the city (and even in the city large numbers rely on their car for shopping trips etc) so how you can say with a straight face making it more difficult for thousands of people to shop in the city will increase the money taken in shops I can only laugh.

I already do very little shopping in Galway bar the shopping centres on the outskirts (which is food mostly) as it’s just a pain when you can’t park close by to where you are going and if I buy stuff I want to be able to put it in the car and continue my shopping not carrying stuff. Going to the city centre for me is for the pub as that doesn’t involve the car.

Without a car my spending in Galway would be 0.

I think you've highlighted the problem without realising the solution here. Traffic is so terrible people don't bother coming into town from the country and so much of the space is given over to cars that people in the city don't have comfort to browse, etc. If we shift to giving back space to people instead of cars, it'll be a lot more enjoyable being in the city. If there's alternative means to travel, it'll be a lot more enjoyable getting into the city to make use of the improved space. Some people will still want/have to drive but hopefully they'll have an improved experience too. If more people are using other methods to get around, there'll be more road space for the remainder.

Activists always drag topics into the weeds of dogma instead of the light of locations and answers.

I’m not a fan of the hierarchical approach, “one over the other”, be it for cars or bikes or anything between (I’d put Ambulance Above All if I did any hierarchy). The transport network is a toolkit, with different tools for different jobs. If you’re saying any tool in the box can go f*** itself, you’re a danger to the safe running of the job. We need all. Busses. Bikes. Walkers. Cars. And if you are turning your nose up at any of those then I wish you would butt out and leave this to those of us who aren’t blinded by dogma.

Mrs OBumble

John_Rambo wrote: »

I wish your predictions were accurate, but they're way off the mark. Traffic levels in Galway City growing faster than the rest of Ireland and we're only at phase two. Don't forget, C-19 won't be with us for ever.

https://www.galwaydaily.com/news/transport/traffic-levels-in-galway-city-growing-faster-than-the-rest-of-ireland/

Bothar na dTreabh is not in the city centre, and most traffic using it is not going to the city centre.

So city centre changes won't have much, if any, impact.

Removal of shower facilities in workplaces won't be helping matters either.

?Cee?view

ben.schlomo wrote: »

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Again Nox, you're an outlier in this scenario.

Is he? Or is he an outlier in this echo chamber?

ben.schlomo

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Again Nox, you're an outlier in this scenario.

An outlier? I would say I fall into the vast vast majority. Just taking one example I'd say you would find virtually no one in Galway city and county who would consider it reasonable to park in the city centre when their intention was a walk on the prom.

There is 4 or 5 posters in here who have somehow come together in the one place so it appears here there is a few, but they alone make up the majority of people in the city and country holding the options on removing parking, restricting cars etc etc. I doubt you would get 100 people out of the 280k people in galway city and county to agree with much of the anti-car sentiment on here.

Jazmin Harsh Gold

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

An outlier? I would say I fall into the vast vast majority. Just taking one example I'd say you would find virtually no one in Galway city and county who would consider it reasonable to park in the city centre when their intention was a walk on the prom.

There is 4 or 5 posters in here who have somehow come together in the one place so it appears here there is a few, but they alone make up the majority of people in the city and country holding the options on removing parking, restricting cars etc etc. I doubt you would get 100 people out of the 280k people in galway city and county to agree with much of the anti-car sentiment on here.

The govt, councils, NTA, TII are all in alignment on this.

As are all of the cyclist and pedestrian advocacy groups.

It's not just 4 or 5 posters.

In other news.....

Council submits plan for 17 million euro city rejuvenation project

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/council-submits-plan-for-17-million-euro-city-rejuvenation-project/

Galway City Council has submitted a plan for a 17 million euro project – which would see the development of public spaces in the city – for funding approval

The plan has been submitted to the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government under Call 2 of the Urban Regeneration and Development Fund.

It details five separate projects which aim to support the city’s long-term growth by providing new and improved public spaces in the city centre.

The projects will create safe and attractive meeting places in the city that encourage social interaction and dwell time, accommodate activities and events, and that are accessible to all members of the public.

They aim to add to the image of the city, attract economic opportunities and investment and support the city as a tourist destination.

They include the rejuvenation of Eyre Square to a cost of over 2 million euro, the creation of new public spaces at the Cathedral Plaza and Woodquay with an estimated cost of over 1 million euro each, and the rejuvenation of the space at Fishmarket and Spanish Parade, costing over 1 and a half million euro and nearly 2 million euro respectively.

The plan also commits to a cross city link and the pedestrianisation of specific city streets – totalling a cost of 9 million euro.

I'm not 100% sure if these cover the removal of private cars from the Eyre Square area or if that is still to be submitted

Electric Sheep

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Removal of shower facilities in workplaces won't be helping matters either.

I'd say that won't affect Marcelo Delightful Neurology.

xtradel

MONORAIL!

Mrs OBumble

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The govt, councils, NTA, TII are all in alignment on this.

As are all of the cyclist and pedestrian advocacy groups.

It's not just 4 or 5 posters.

Is that the same council who allegedly pedestrianised Cross St a few weeks back?

at1withmyself

Here is a pic of the woodquay proposal:

https://connachttribune.ie/major-facelift-plan-for-public-areas-in-galway-city-centre/

How great would Galway be if some of this got the go ahead, it would be a great boost to evening & night life in the city as well as the day time benefits.

timmyntc

Is there any talk of some of the city roundabouts being replaced with junctions (other than Kirwan)?

Cemetery cross and the one behind hospital are absolutely chronic for traffic - they have no flow control and at peak hours cause most of the buildups of city traffic.

Even with bypass & bus lanes traffic will still be bad until they are removed.

Electric Sheep

Electric Sheep wrote: »

I'd say that won't affect Marcelo Delightful Neurology.

Well it wont since we never had them to begin with and I drive to work (right to the door actually) when not working from home.

ben.schlomo

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

An outlier? I would say I fall into the vast vast majority. Just taking one example I'd say you would find virtually no one in Galway city and county who would consider it reasonable to park in the city centre when their intention was a walk on the prom.

There is 4 or 5 posters in here who have somehow come together in the one place so it appears here there is a few, but they alone make up the majority of people in the city and country holding the options on removing parking, restricting cars etc etc. I doubt you would get 100 people out of the 280k people in galway city and county to agree with much of the anti-car sentiment on here.

#noxstats #fakenews

timmyntc

timmyntc wrote: »

Is there any talk of some of the city roundabouts being replaced with junctions (other than Kirwan)?

Cemetery cross and the one behind hospital are absolutely chronic for traffic - they have no flow control and at peak hours cause most of the buildups of city traffic.

Even with bypass & bus lanes traffic will still be bad until they are removed.

Yes, the following list of RAB's due for removal as the junctions will be changed to light controlled

• at the back of the hospital
• the one at the Galway clinic
• all the ones on the distrbutor rd in Knonknacarra (5 or 6, not sure if BO'D rd is being changed)
• Seapoint
• GMIT

Cemetery Cross I know came up as one to be removed but I'm not sure what stage that is at.

Only thing holding the removals back is funding and the planning process so it's probably going to take 10-15 years before they are all gone

Expect to see the speed limits in Galway City being reduced to 30 kmph

How big of a rollout, I don't know?

How much enforcement will there be? Unknown

But its looking good for this to happen. Fair play to the folks at the Galway Cycling Campaign for pushing this



Given that there's been 2 cyclists killed in the last 2 days alone, 1 of which was a 10 year old, this is a very necessary step in the right direction to make the city a safer place for everyone

timmyntc

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, the following list of RAB's due for removal as the junctions will be changed to light controlled

• at the back of the hospital
• the one at the Galway clinic
• all the ones on the distrbutor rd in Knonknacarra (5 or 6, not sure if BO'D rd is being changed)
• Seapoint
• GMIT

Cemetery Cross I know came up as one to be removed but I'm not sure what stage that is at.

Only thing holding the removals back is funding and the planning process so it's probably going to take 10-15 years before they are all gone

Didn't think those on western distributor needed replacing.
Would have hoped with Sandy road redevelopment there'd be some plans to replace cemetery cross though - the added traffic strain at that roundabout will be a nightmare - not to mention how difficult it is for predestrians to get across.

timmyntc

timmyntc wrote: »

Wouldnt have thought those on western distributor needed replacing, would have thought with Sandy road redevelopment there'd be some plans to replace cemetery cross though - the added traffic strain at that roundabout will be a nightmare - not to mention how difficult it is for predestrians to get across.

I've no doubt Cemetery Cross will be done, I just don't have info on it. Last report on it states it would stay but change to a 4 arm junction

As for the RAB's on the Distributor Rd, they simply don't work during rush hour traffic as they are over capacity. A RAB works well when there is feck all flow through it.

Also, despite laying down speed humps at the entry/exit points on those RAB's, they are still horrendous for pedestrians with cars still being able to maintain a speed of 40+kph going over the humps

gordongekko

The last one i saw getting funding was the one at the galway clinic so i assume itll be next to be removed

Your Face

Some messy road use as I was driving home there.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Expect to see the speed limits in Galway City being reduced to 30 kmph

How big of a rollout, I don't know?

How much enforcement will there be? Unknown

But its looking good for this to happen. Fair play to the folks at the Galway Cycling Campaign for pushing this

[IMG]https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=517877&stc=1&d=1593181988[ Given that there's been 2 cyclists killed in the last 2 days alone, 1 of which was a 10 year old, this is a very necessary step in the right direction to make the city a safer place for everyone[/img]

Absolute joke reducing to 30km/h, totally needless. People not getting in front of cars would be far more effective. This is just mindless doing stuff for the sake of it to look like someting is being done. The whole "speed kills" mantra is a total fallacy. Its been shown time and again that speed has very very little to do with road crashes in Ireland but its just an easy one to blame and make the likes of the RSA look good shouting about it.

What is needed is speed limit increases in the likes of BndT and the bridge as 50kmh is far too slow and totally ignored by all.

Jazmin Harsh Gold

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

Absolute joke reducing to 30km/h, totally needless. People not getting in front of cars would be far more effective. This is just mindless doing stuff for the sake of it to look like someting is being done. The whole "speed kills" mantra is a total fallacy.

Literally all evidence to the contrary

Speed limit studies from all over the world

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

Its been shown time and again that speed has very very little to do with road crashes in Ireland but its just an easy one to blame and make the likes of the RSA look good shouting about it

By all means, provide some evidence that says a pedestrian or cyclist getting hit at 50k has a better outcomer than getting hit at 30k. I'm honestly curious.

This changing of the limits was originally something I was totally against until I researched it. I would suggest you do the same.

It will make Galway City much safer for you and everyone else in it and I strongly welcome it and hope its brought in across the board on all roads within the city boundaries

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Literally all evidence to the contrary

Speed limit studies from all over the world



By all means, provide some evidence that says a pedestrian or cyclist getting hit at 50k has a better outcomer than getting hit at 30k. I'm honestly curious.

This changing of the limits was originally something I was totally against until I researched it. I would suggest you do the same.

It will make Galway City much safer for you and everyone else in it and I strongly welcome it and hope its brought in across the board on all roads within the city boundaries

Pedestrians getting in the way of a car is the cause of them getting killed not the cars speed. If they ran out onto the motorway would you blame speed?

Nobody will have any heed whatsoever in them anyway myself included, I have little heed in the current ones as things stand.