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    #242
    flazio
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    It takes a couple of hours to drive from Dublin to Galway, not a couple of days. A pool of specialised engineers based in Dublin (where there's lots of work for them to do) makes more sense than having them dispersed around the country and spending a lot of time doing nothing.
    Why do they have to be specialised engineers? Why not train local council workers in traffic light maintenance who instead of doing nothing, have other jobs to do while all the lights are working? Kind of like a retained firefighter set up.


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    #243
    John_Rambo
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    flazio wrote: »
    Why do they have to be specialised engineers? Why not train local council workers in traffic light maintenance who instead of doing nothing, have other jobs to do while all the lights are working? Kind of like a retained firefighter set up.

    Same reason we don't train up local council workers to work as paramedics and doctors. Experienced engineers with degrees will do a better job.


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    #244
    zell12
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    Eglinton Street is a main bus route inbound/outbound.
    Anyone know where buses etc were diverted?
    https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/eglington-street-reopens-following-closure-due-to-electrical-fault/


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    #245
    MaxFlower
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Same reason we don't train up local council workers to work as paramedics and doctors. Experienced engineers with degrees will do a better job.

    Not always. I've seen lots of highly educated and qualified people do pi$$ poor jobs as their eyes were on other prizes. Then again I've seen people with little more than a leaving cert who will respond brilliantly to training and do an excellent job. Depends on the person but it is weighted towards education.


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    #246
    Johnny_BravoIII
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    How many people working in Galway City coucil have a qualification in town planning, spatial planning or urban design?


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    #247
    [Deleted User]
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    Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »
    How many people working in Galway City coucil have a qualification in town planning, spatial planning or urban design?

    The only ones requiring it would be those working in the planning department so that's your answer


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    #248
    Johnny_BravoIII
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The only ones requiring it would be those working in the planning department so that's your answer

    Ok, let me make that more specific.
    Is there anybody working the planning department with a qualification in town planning/urban design?

    it's not something Ireland has historically taken seriously. I'm wondering whether the culture has changed in the last 5-10 years. In the UK pretty much every small town council would have a master planner i.e. somebody with experience and qualifications in sustainable urban design.

    If Galway has not yet hired in these skillsets, traffic issues are going nowhere. There are a number of towns in Ireland where town plannint/urban design is taken seriously Westport, Clonakilty, Athlone looks as if someone knows what they are doing in recent years, Dublin is trying to sort itself out in recent years........ Galway remains back of the pack. There is no big vision to remove cars from the cities. All I have heard is build biggger roads. This is the antithesis to what is happening in every other progressive city on planet earth.


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    #249
    [Deleted User]
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    Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »
    Ok, let me make that more specific.
    Is there anybody working the planning department with a qualification in town planning/urban design?

    See my previous answer
    it's not something Ireland has historically taken seriously. I'm wondering whether the culture has changed in the last 5-10 years. In the UK pretty much every small town council would have a master planner i.e. somebody with experience and qualifications in sustainable urban design.

    As well as the required qualifications, planners are required to maintain membership of one of the national planning bodies, the RTPI or the IPI and to continue education through these bodies.
    If Galway has not yet hired in these skillsets, traffic issues are going nowhere. There are a number of towns in Ireland where town plannint/urban design is taken seriously Westport, Clonakilty, Athlone looks as if someone knows what they are doing in recent years, Dublin is trying to sort itself out in recent years........ Galway remains back of the pack. There is no big vision to remove cars from the cities.

    Don't forget, every proposal has to be passed by Councillors. That's often where the farce starts.
    All I have heard is build biggger roads. This is the antithesis to what is happening in every other progressive city on planet earth.

    You really haven't read through much of this thread so. There is quite a lot of alternatives posted. Go ahead, have a read, you might be surprised


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    #250
    John_Rambo
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    MaxFlower wrote: »
    Not always. I've seen lots of highly educated and qualified people do pi$$ poor jobs as their eyes were on other prizes. Then again I've seen people with little more than a leaving cert who will respond brilliantly to training and do an excellent job. Depends on the person but it is weighted towards education.

    But you still go to a surgeon to get operated on. Same with road engineering, you hire a civil engineer.


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    #251
    MaxFlower
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    But you still go to a surgeon to get operated on. Same with road engineering, you hire a civil engineer.

    Does the surgeon maintain and service the facilities and equipment they use. I thought this was about an electrical issue on a set of traffic lights. Not the junction/traffic management design.


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    #252
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,656 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    MaxFlower wrote: »
    Does the surgeon maintain and service the facilities and equipment they use. I thought this was about an electrical issue on a set of traffic lights. Not the junction/traffic management design.

    It's not. The whole system is intrinsically linked. The knock on affects of one change are profound and all road users from pedestrians to trucks need to be taken in to consideration. Best to hire professionals, after all, Galway is a city and needs to be ran like a city.


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    #253
    Whereisgalway
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    inGalway is a city and needs to be ran like a city.

    IMHO that mentality is part of the problem, we are barely a city, a very very small city at best. if we went back to the mindset of been a large town trying to become a city we might get some forward planning and creativity


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    #254
    Wompa1
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    Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »
    Ok, let me make that more specific.
    Is there anybody working the planning department with a qualification in town planning/urban design?

    it's not something Ireland has historically taken seriously. I'm wondering whether the culture has changed in the last 5-10 years. In the UK pretty much every small town council would have a master planner i.e. somebody with experience and qualifications in sustainable urban design.

    If Galway has not yet hired in these skillsets, traffic issues are going nowhere. There are a number of towns in Ireland where town plannint/urban design is taken seriously Westport, Clonakilty, Athlone looks as if someone knows what they are doing in recent years, Dublin is trying to sort itself out in recent years........ Galway remains back of the pack. There is no big vision to remove cars from the cities. All I have heard is build biggger roads. This is the antithesis to what is happening in every other progressive city on planet earth.

    Interesting. What has Westport done to remove cars? The greenway? It's a lovely town but horrible to drive through.


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    #255
    what_traffic
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    When is the University back in full operational mode? Next Monday?


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    #256
    ben.schlomo
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    When is the University back in full operational mode? Next Monday?

    Yep.


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    #257
    Ashleigh1986
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    The traffic lights at Boston sientific are a joke .
    Picked someone up at 7.30 am from renmore .
    Didn't get to Boston sientific until 8.10 am .
    It's obvious they haven't given enough time to the ballybane road sequence .
    These muppets in city hall haven a clue how to manage a city .
    How was it ever passed that you can drive up by cregal art and expect no traffic choas ???


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    #258
    [Deleted User]
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    Might have something to do with the 3,000 people who start work between 7:30 and 9am all trying to drive up the one road


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    #259
    Ashleigh1986
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Might have something to do with the 3,000 people who start work between 7:30 and 9am all trying to drive up the one road

    It's more to do with the poor design of the road network in that area and the poor light sequencing . Both are caused by mismanagement by galway city council in the past and presently . Fact !!!


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    jjpep
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    It's more to do with the poor design of the road network in that area and the poor light sequencing . Both are caused by mismanagement by galway city council in the past and presently . Fact !!!

    What kind of road design change is going to facilitate that amount of car traffic?

    Car traffic capacity in Galway is maxed out, people need to start commuting other ways. What city hall should be doing is facilitating that.


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    #261
    what_traffic
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    The traffic lights at Boston sientific are a joke .
    Picked someone up at 7.30 am from renmore .
    Didn't get to Boston sientific until 8.10 am .
    It's obvious they haven't given enough time to the ballybane road sequence .
    These muppets in city hall haven a clue how to manage a city .
    How was it ever passed that you can drive up by cregal art and expect no traffic choas ???
    Curious. What was the distance traveled and how much did the fare cost in the end?


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    #262
    Ashleigh1986
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    Curious. What was the distance traveled and how much did the fare cost in the end?

    .... It's 3km .
    €25 euro on the meter .
    Picked him up at 7.30 am on Tuesday morning didn't get to work until 8.10am .
    A huge part of the problem is the incorrect sequencing of the lights at front of Boston sientific .


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    #263
    [Deleted User]
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    A huge part of the problem is the incorrect sequencing of the lights at front of Boston sientific .

    There is no sequence you can implement that will make any difference when the junction is at maximum capacity.

    Maximum capacity is maximum capacity

    I'm interested to hear what you think the solution is


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    #264
    Ashleigh1986
    Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Ashleigh1986


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There is no sequence you can implement that will make any difference when the junction is at maximum capacity.

    Maximum capacity is maximum capacity

    I'm interested to hear what you think the solution is

    Dacor , I witnessed with my own eyes the following regarding that junction at that time .
    Green lights been left on longer for arteries that weren't in trouble than those that were .
    The 2 in serious trouble were the following.
    (1) ballybane road
    (2) dual carriageway from east side only turning into Boston sientific .
    ... Yet green lights for coming out of Boston yet only a handful of cars coming out at that time ???


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    #265
    xckjoo
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    Dacor , I witnessed with my own eyes the following regarding that junction at that time .
    Green lights been left on longer for arteries that weren't in trouble than those that were .
    The 2 in serious trouble were the following.
    (1) ballybane road
    (2) dual carriageway from east side only turning into Boston sientific .
    ... Yet green lights for coming out of Boston yet only a handful of cars coming out at that time ???
    Unless they changed since last night, if the lights are green coming out of Boston, the lights are green on the Ballybane road to go into Boston. They're all mirrored at that junction.

    There might be a way to get minor improvements in traffic flow by fine tuning traffic lights, but as others have said, we're at full road capacity. Nothing will fix that except to get cars off the road and get people using other methods of transport.


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    #266
    Ashleigh1986
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    By the way Dacor , I understand maximum capacity at a time when ALL 4 arteries are in trouble .
    But when 2 are and 2 aren't ?
    It's obvious the traffic lights at that junction are sequenced and not been monitored by CCTV cameras .
    There are traffic lights at key junctions that need to be manned by trained up traffic management personnel at key times .
    Until I see with my own eyes an inprovement at these junctions I will question city halls inability to manage traffic in galway .


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    #267
    what_traffic
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    .... It's 3km .
    €25 euro on the meter .
    Picked him up at 7.30 am on Tuesday morning didn't get to work until 8.10am .
    A huge part of the problem is the incorrect sequencing of the lights at front of Boston sientific .
    That is an expensive walk, I would walk 3km in 35min


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    #268
    what_traffic
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    The traffic lights at Boston sientific are a joke .
    Picked someone up at 7.30 am from renmore .
    Didn't get to Boston sientific until 8.10 am .
    It's obvious they haven't given enough time to the ballybane road sequence .
    These muppets in city hall haven a clue how to manage a city .
    How was it ever passed that you can drive up by cregal art and expect no traffic choas ???
    Another factor to the mix.
    I cycled through this junction at 07h45, coming from Eircom on the Monivea Road no delay for me for the obvious reason. Am at the top of the Q to cross over towards Boston, what I do notice most mornings. There are about 3/4 motorised vehicles coming from the N6 Westbound who break the RED lights on the right turn sequence so they fill the junction which does impact on motor traffic coming from Ballybane as it is a Round Robin Sequence here (again I am on the bike so not affected by it as can use the bike lane to pass them out )


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    #269
    at1withmyself
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    ... Yet green lights for coming out of Boston yet only a handful of cars coming out at that time ???

    Isn't that how traffic lights should work?

    I'm sure when you came back out though you were happy the lights went green for you, no?

    Of all the junctions to give out about this one definitely works quiet well (I use it twice a day).


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    #270
    jimwallace197
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    By the way Dacor , I understand maximum capacity at a time when ALL 4 arteries are in trouble .
    But when 2 are and 2 aren't ?
    It's obvious the traffic lights at that junction are sequenced and not been monitored by CCTV cameras .
    There are traffic lights at key junctions that need to be manned by trained up traffic management personnel at key times .
    Until I see with my own eyes an inprovement at these junctions I will question city halls inability to manage traffic in galway .

    Dont be one bit surprised Ashleigh, this is what we expect from our so called council officials. Zero intelligence and no accountability for blunders like this one and many across Galway concerning its traffic issues.

    Hardly surprising when they acquired the positions they do through nepotism and who ya know sure.

    Just resign yourself to the type of country you live in and you will be better off, no use arguing with them.


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    #271
    Ashleigh1986
    Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Ashleigh1986


    jimwallace197 wrote: »
    Dont be one bit surprised Ashleigh, this is what we expect from our so called council officials. Zero intelligence and no accountability for blunders like this one and many across Galway concerning its traffic issues.

    Hardly surprising when they acquired the positions they do through nepotism and who ya know sure.

    Just resign yourself to the type of country you live in and you will be better off, no use arguing with them.

    Exactly Jim.... Just collect their fat salaries paid by us taxpayers for a job they have proven their aren't capable of doing ...
    Which is managing a modern city .
    Years of endless fiascos ... " ah sure it will be grand " .
    Geldof was right a " banana republic "


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