Sinn Fein TD's car set on fire

Loafing Oaf

maccored wrote: »

whenever it comes out that it wasnt a SF supporter, blanch etc all will once again go very quiet I will assume

Huh?

blanch152 wrote: »

Is there anyone out there who hasn't been blamed for this?

I take this post as ridiculing any notion that this was some sort of SF false flag operation...

blanch152

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Huh?



I take this post as ridiculing any notion that this was some sort of SF false flag operation...

Correct, but baying mobs only ever see what they want to see.

The idea that is was a SF false flag operation, or even more ridiculous, a FF/FG inspired one as Matt proposed, is ludicrous.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Correct, but baying mobs only ever see what they want to see.

The idea that is was a SF false flag operation, or even more ridiculous, a FF/FG inspired one as Matt proposed, is ludicrous.

Japers Blanch. Cut the false misrepresentations. Cite honestly.
I never said it was FF/FG party inspired or backed. I suggested it was more likely some of their supporters. When I think fearful of change, bigoted and arrogant I think of dyed in the wool FF/FG voters.

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Japers Blanch. Cut the false misrepresentations. Cite honestly.
I never said it was FF/FG party inspired or backed. I suggested it was more likely some of their supporters. When I think fearful of change, bigoted and arrogant I think of dyed in the wool FF/FG voters.

Sorry Matt, but you are off the wall on this one. Whatever else you may accuse FF/FG supporters of, and you accuse them of a lot, it is ridiculous to accuse them of burning a man's car out. You are taking your conspiracy theories to a new level.

Most likely the perpetrators don't bother voting at all.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Sorry Matt, but you are off the wall on this one. Whatever else you may accuse FF/FG supporters of, and you accuse them of a lot, it is ridiculous to accuse them of burning a man's car out. You are taking your conspiracy theories to a new level.

Most likely the perpetrators don't bother voting at all.

Accuses poster of making assumption...then makes one himself. Dear oh dear.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Accuses poster of making assumption...then makes one himself. Dear oh dear.

I can just see it now, the Ballinamore FG Cumann meeting held in Paddy's farmhouse, when Mick and Pat Joe propose to ensure that the bould SF TD gets a seeing to and has his car burned out.

No, scratch that, doesn't work, it's ridiculous.

Common thug, poorly educated, rarely if ever votes, racist, doesn't like foreigners, hears that TD banging on about welcoming them, gets a mate, heads around to teach him a lesson.

Yeah, that sounds a bit more plausible.

It is ok to make assumptions, so long as they are reasonable and rational.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Common thug, poorly educated, rarely if ever votes, racist, doesn't like foreigners, hears that TD banging on about welcoming them, gets a mate, heads around to teach him a lesson.

Assumption yet again.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Assumption yet again.

blanch152 wrote: »

It is ok to make assumptions, so long as they are reasonable and rational.

Did you miss this bit?

It is ok to make assumptions, so long as they are reasonable and rational.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Did you miss this bit?

It is ok to make assumptions, so long as they are reasonable and rational.

You have always been able to pass tests on this site, for which you set the bar blanch.

Funny that.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You have always been able to pass tests on this site, for which you set the bar blanch.

Funny that.

I don't think a test of reasonableness and rationality is unfair.

The idea of a group of church-going FG supporters in Leitrim sitting around and plotting to fire-bomb a SF TD's car pretty much fails that test.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Sorry Matt, but you are off the wall on this one. Whatever else you may accuse FF/FG supporters of, and you accuse them of a lot, it is ridiculous to accuse them of burning a man's car out. You are taking your conspiracy theories to a new level.

Most likely the perpetrators don't bother voting at all.

Why? FF/FG are the biggest party in the country. It's reasonable and rational, might be wrong. It just strikes me more of a conservative 'values' move than anything else.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't think a test of reasonableness and rationality is unfair.

The idea of a group of church-going FG supporters in Leitrim sitting around and plotting to fire-bomb a SF TD's car pretty much fails that test.

Why?

Are you saying church going FG supporters are not capable of committing a crime?

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Why? FF/FG are the biggest party in the country. It just strikes me more of a conservative 'values' move than anything else.

The type of "values" people that would do something like that are not mainstream FF or FG supporters. They latch on to people and fringe groups like Gemma O'Doherty or Aontu or Youth Defence.

If anything, you would have much in common with them with a shared hatred of all things FG and FF. Remember it is an FG government who have decided to put the asylum seekers into Ballinamore.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why?

Are you saying church going FG supporters are not capable of committing a crime?

Nope, I am sure that they have their fair share of ordinary decent criminals, but conspiring to fire-bomb a SF TD's car is a stretch too far.

Maybe I am wrong - it happens - and Paddy Joe McBloggs of the local FG cumann will be arrested and charged with bombing the man's car.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Nope, I am sure that they have their fair share of ordinary decent criminals, but conspiring to fire-bomb a SF TD's car is a stretch too far.

you forgot to add...'a stretch too far for me'

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

The type of "values" people that would do something like that are not mainstream FF or FG supporters. They latch on to people and fringe groups like Gemma O'Doherty or Aontu or Youth Defence.

If anything, you would have much in common with them with a shared hatred of all things FG and FF. Remember it is an FG government who have decided to put the asylum seekers into Ballinamore.

blanch152 wrote: »

Nope, I am sure that they have their fair share of ordinary decent criminals, but conspiring to fire-bomb a SF TD's car is a stretch too far.

Maybe I am wrong - it happens - and Paddy Joe McBloggs of the local FG cumann will be arrested and charged with bombing the man's car.

What about actual Fine Gael party members and T.D's? Glass, face, bar brawl?
Shysters, fraudsters and other criminal elements can be drawn to many parties for many reasons.

Initially I was saying it's unlikely a SF supporter thing, just putting it out there I'd reckon it's more a FF/FG supporter thing.

terenc

Could be a sign of the times and the Irish people have decided we have had enough of the the the emigrant policy in this country. This government has created a slow burning fuse by dis-empowering the people in “Take them in with no regard to its own people” and people are just waiting for the next general election and the SF will be whipped and glad to see the back of FLanagan.

pinkyeye

Jaysus lads, how the fcuk has this turned into a FF/FG versus SF thread??

I don't agree with Blanch on much but in this case he's correct. The most likely culprit is not a member of any mainstream party.

Don't agree that they don't vote, I'd say they do for the likes of Gemma and Justin.

James Brown

terenc wrote: »

Could be a sign of the times and the Irish people have decided we have had enough of the the the emigrant policy in this country. This government has created a slow burning fuse by dis-empowering the people in “Take them in with no regard to its own people” and people are just waiting for the next general election and the SF will be whipped and glad to see the back of FLanagan.

We can be ignorant and bigoted without any help from 'the times'. I guarantee you incidents like this have been going on and will continue and we'll still have a FF/FG affiliated government. We don't do radical change.

pinkyeye wrote: »

Jaysus lads, how the fcuk has this turned into a FF/FG versus SF thread??

I don't agree with Blanch on much but in this case he's correct. The most likely culprit is not a member of any mainstream party.

Don't agree that they don't vote, I'd say they do for the likes of Gemma and Justin.

It was put forward that it might be SF lads I just said it'd be more likely FF/FG lads if any voting affiliation. Like the pro Quinn lobby in Cavan, likely FF/GAA folk IMO. They don't like outsiders. Chances are it's ignorant folk with little genuine ties to any politics but for these type of people it's about traditional affiliations not policy.

Loafing Oaf

blanch152 wrote: »

Common thug, poorly educated, rarely if ever votes, racist, doesn't like foreigners, hears that TD banging on about welcoming them, gets a mate, heads around to teach him a lesson.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

WeI just said it'd be more likely FF/FG lads if any voting affiliation. Like the pro Quinn lobby in Cavan, likely FF/GAA folk IMO. They don't like outsiders. Chances are it's ignorant folk with little genuine ties to any politics but for these type of people it's about traditional affiliations not policy.

Sounds like you guys mightn't be so far apart on this after all. Perhaps the apparent clash stems from differing interpretations of 'supporter' of a political party.

Montage of Feck

SF will reap what they sow in the next election, their insisent pushing of "right on" causes regardless of the impact on tax payers and voters is wearing very thin.

Riesen_Meal

https://twitter.com/Brian_O_Reilly/status/1189248809152503815?s=20

Seems enough people lining up online to have a go....

terenc

Fieldog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Brian_O_Reilly/status/1189248809152503815?s=20

Seems enough people lining up online to have a go....

Maybe the fuse has got shorter. Cant wait for the next inauguration.:pac::pac:

whisky_galore

terenc wrote: »

Could be a sign of the times and the Irish people have decided we have had enough of the the the emigrant policy in this country. This government has created a slow burning fuse by dis-empowering the people in “Take them in with no regard to its own people” and people are just waiting for the next general election and the SF will be whipped and glad to see the back of FLanagan.

No rather it's a band of the country from Louth to Leitrim and Donegal, the border neighbourhood, where old habits die hard. Just intimidate when you don't get your way.

terenc

whisky_galore wrote: »

No rather it's a band of the country from Louth to Leitrim and Donegal, the border neighbourhood, where old habits die hard. Just intimidate when you don't get your way.

What cross are you carrying :rolleyes: you need help.

whisky_galore

terenc wrote: »

What cross are you carrying :rolleyes: you need help.

I don't know what you're talking about, maybe it's you that needs help mr rollyeyes.
Don't think there's things spontaneously combusting elsewhere in the country to make a point, is there?

enricoh

Montage of Feck wrote: »

SF will reap what they sow in the next election, their insisent pushing of "right on" causes regardless of the impact on tax payers and voters is wearing very thin.

Sinn féins core base wouldn't strike me as being "right on" to be honest.
Most people would have sinn feins economic policy as lunacy n now realise they want to take in anyone from anywhere in the world n give them free stuff too!
The loonie left is a crowded space in ireland, mary lou is not liked by people n their asylum industry policy i doubt is a vote winner.
I think they'll get hammered in the election, they may bring back Jerry!

maccored

enricoh wrote: »

Sinn féins core base wouldn't strike me as being "right on" to be honest.
Most people would have sinn feins economic policy as lunacy n now realise they want to take in anyone from anywhere in the world n give them free stuff too!
The loonie left is a crowded space in ireland, mary lou is not liked by people n their asylum industry policy i doubt is a vote winner.
I think they'll get hammered in the election, they may bring back Jerry!

them lefty loonies. they're all mad or so im told. every last one of them. loonies I'm telling ye, all of them.

ToddyDoody

Would the insurance cover it?

James Brown

Montage of Feck wrote: »

SF will reap what they sow in the next election, their insisent pushing of "right on" causes regardless of the impact on tax payers and voters is wearing very thin.

Heard similar from the Casey lobby during the Presidential about how the political class would get their comeuppance.