Homelessness Protest 05 December GPO, Dublin

end of the road

jo2509 wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Social welfare has gone from being a helping hand, a dig out when you fall on hard times to a deliberate lifestyle choice.

only for a very small proportion of people, and those are people who are unemployable for various reasons.

jo2509 wrote: »

Then again, if you have seen your grandparents and your parents sit on their backsides and scrounge their whole lives, what incentive would you have to go out and work for a living.

I'm due my first baby in January, I've worked full time for the past 20 years and i'm trying to decide if we can manage if i take a few years unpaid leave. Because i certainly won't be entitled to every handout going. It makes it hard to have much sympathy to be honest.

getting paid, a chance to rise up the ladder and earn more money. those are the only incentives to work and are the only incentives one would need, hence why the vast vast majority actually do work.

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Eric Cartman wrote: »

with the exception of roads and gardai i rely very little on government services so don't expect them or want them to deliver many anyway, as is the same with most people in my position.

you still rely on government services, it doesn't matter how much or little you rely on them, or which specific services you rely on.

Gatling

Mention homelessness and a cheer squad arrives

Eric Cartman

end of the road wrote: »

you still rely on government services, it doesn't matter how much or little you rely on them, or which specific services you rely on.

and nobody is arguing that, but I could easily half government expenditure without any impact to myself, my family and the services we use and in turn reduce our tax rates to a more normal, fair level.

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Eric Cartman wrote: »

and nobody is arguing that, but I could easily half government expenditure without any impact to myself, my family and the services we use and in turn reduce our tax rates to a more normal, fair level.

at the expense of the whole country and the rest of us tax payers who would end up having to pay more in the long run to deal with the fall out no doubt.

Fanny Wank

end of the road wrote: »

if you want services then you are going to have to pay tax. a low tax economy cannot deliver services or anything for that matter.

Yet you oppose water charges? And let's guess, you've no issue with almost one million workers paying no income taxes?

Most comparisons show that relative to other nations lower paid workers in Ireland pay little to no tax yet middle to higher earners pay very high rates of marginal and effective taxes

Let me guess, you opposed property (wealth) taxes too

Does. Not. Compute

pinkyeye

BDI wrote: »

How many likes do they need to end homelessness.

How many do you need to feel good about yourself? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The irony of someone fishing for the likes.

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Fanny **** wrote: »

Yet you oppose water charges? And let's guess, you've no issue with almost one million workers paying no income taxes?

absolutely i oppose water charges, they are unnecessary and will bring undue hardship upon those with a low to middle income.
ireland can well afford to fund water services from general taxation.

pinkyeye

Do those of you on here moaning about paying your taxes and your mortgage not realise that the younger generation now may never be able to get a mortgage? Even the old reliable example of a Garda and a nurse can longer get a mortgage high enough to live in our major cities.

And before someone jumps in with they don't have to live in the city who's going to be a Garda or a nurse in Dublin and live 2 hours away and why should they have to when they're "working hard", like all you high horse merchants?

pinkyeye

The homeless crisis affects everyone of us in one way or the other. Why wouldn't we want to end it?

Topgear on Dave

end of the road wrote: »

absolutely i oppose water charges, they are unnecessary and will bring undue hardship upon those with a low to middle income.
ireland can well afford to fund water services from general taxation.

Tax someone else, don't tax me

Gatling

pinkyeye wrote: »

Do those of you on here moaning about paying your taxes and your mortgage not realise that the younger generation now may never be able to get a mortgage?

Or don't want a mortgage why would they when they can have 3 bed front and back garden ,5 minutes walk from schools and shops just by sitting on their backsides waiting for the 4eva home.

Fanny Wank

end of the road wrote: »

absolutely i oppose water charges, they are unnecessary and will bring undue hardship upon those with a low to middle income.
ireland can well afford to fund water services from general taxation.

But you said "if you want services then you are going to have to pay tax"

Let me guess, your solution is tax the "rich"

Not going to go round in circles re water charges but good to expose the hypocrisy of so called socialists

Fanny Wank

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Tax someone else, don't tax me

Exactly

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Fanny **** wrote: »

But you said "if you want services then you are going to have to pay tax"

Let me guess, your solution is tax the "rich"

Not going to go round in circles re water charges but good to expose the hypocrisy of so called socialists

no, my solution is not tax the rich, all though obviously the more you earn the higher the tax bracket you should be in
yes if you want services you must pay tax. general income tax rather then extra stealth taxes.

Padraig Mor

end of the road wrote: »

no, my solution is not tax the rich, all though obviously the more you earn the higher the tax bracket you should be in

That is already the case.

yes if you want services you must pay tax. general income tax rather then extra stealth taxes.

Would you agree with lowering tax credits so that everyone paid more income tax, including the lower paid?

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Padraig Mor wrote: »

That is already the case.

indeed it is, you are correct.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Would you agree with lowering tax credits so that everyone paid more income tax, including the lower paid?

not at this current time as we have a massive cost of living and such would bring undue hardship upon the lower paid.
i am satisfied that the current tax base can cover all of the services and projects we need anyway.
if the cost of living is reduced then perhapse i could think about supporting it but until then it's a no from me.

dartboardio

pinkyeye wrote: »

The homeless crisis affects everyone of us in one way or the other. Why wouldn't we want to end it?

I know, and agree. All the factors, affect us all in one way or another. For example one of the main things for me would be the rent. Increasing at a crazy level.

I was just a bit skeptical when I seen people joining the Facebook group solely to say 'I've been on the housing list waiting for the government to hand me a free house for 15 years'

Why should anyone have any sympathy with that..

Padraig Mor

end of the road wrote: »

not at this current time as we have a massive cost of living and such would bring undue hardship upon the lower paid.
i am satisfied that the current tax base can cover all of the services and projects we need anyway.
if the cost of living is reduced then perhapse i could think about supporting it but until then it's a no from me.

So what you're saying is.....'tax the rich'?

KyussB

Ah the good 'ol Divide and Conquer - pit the people struggling to afford a home, against the homeless and dole scroungers - and not one of the fucking real/actual problems causing the whole mess, gets any focus.

The people that go on about dole scroungers, are imo objectively worse than the actual bonafide dole scroungers - because by blocking actual disussion of the real issues, thus working against getting them resolved, they cost us all far more money in rents and increased property prices, than ALL of the dole scroungers put together, that we are said to indirectly pay for in our lifetimes.

Such a shitshow.

Anyone who calls themselves 'left' better move away - fast - from the idea that taxes are needed 1:1 to pay for government spending. You're not going to win anyone over, clamouring for more taxes - and besides, that's not how government finances work, anyway...

Decouple government spending, and resolving societal problems, from taxes (unless it involves taxing negative things, like smoking, rent-seeking behaviour, and the like) - break out of the false economic narrative of bundling the two together - or you'll be permanently working against yourself. You can reduce taxes and boost government spending just fine - only so long as you boost GDP enough in doing so, and don't overinflate sectors of the economy.