Car bought privately, still no VRC

Alerium

Hi

I bought a car last week of an individual (not a garage) and still haven’t received the log book (VRC). The seller says they posted the VRC to Shannon last Monday but when I called them today, they said they haven’t received anything. Can it usually take this long for Shannon to receive the VRC? I have the sellers home address so I doubt they tried to scr3w me. What are my options if Shannon doesn’t receive the VRC but the seller says they have posted it?

Thanks

colm_mcm

Did you sign the VRC?

Atlantic Dawn

Wait a week to see if it turns up, next option would be to get them request a replacement VRC and then refill it out with the same date of sale and send that in.

Alerium

colm_mcm wrote: »

Did you sign the VRC?

Yes i did, i filled out the back and signed and left with seller to send.

Alerium

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Wait a week to see if it turns up, next option would be to get them request a replacement VRC and then refill it out with the same date of sale and send that in.

Is there any way i could end up with a car but no VRC?

colm_mcm

Alerium wrote: »

Is there any way i could end up with a car but no VRC?

Of course.

There is a process for getting a replacement though, did you verify that the paperwork matched the car, that the sellers name was on the VRC etc etc?

Atlantic Dawn

Alerium wrote: »

Is there any way i could end up with a car but no VRC?

Only if seller was doesn't co-operate, at the end of the day they want it out of their name as quick as possible, otherwise all fines, speeding tickets etc will be their problem.

Alerium

colm_mcm wrote: »

Of course.

There is a process for getting a replacement though, did you verify that the paperwork matched the car, that the sellers name was on the VRC etc etc?

Yes i did. I have the sellers address so I doubt they’re trying to sell me a dodgy car. Although they did say they posted the VRC last Monday and I hardly doubt it takes this long to arrive.

Alerium

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Only if seller was doesn't co-operate, at the end of the day they want it out of their name as quick as possible, otherwise all fines, speeding tickets etc will be their problem.

I think the seller buys and sells cars. The car I bought is from England but was VRT’d in June. So i’m worried there may be something dodgy going on although i have their address etc.

Andrewf20

Keep an eye on the motortax.ie website here to see if they have received anything in Shannon:

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/changeOwnership.do

One good tip that I use when buying a car is to fill out the VRC new owner details and post the VRC there an then with the seller when buying the car. Sometimes the seller wants to take a photo of the VRC and I usually do also before popping it in the post box.

Alerium

Andrewf20 wrote: »

Keep an eye on the motortax.ie website here to see if they have received anything in Shannon:

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/changeOwnership.do

One good tip that I use when buying a car is to fill out the VRC new owner details and post the VRC there an then with the seller when buying the car. Sometimes the seller wants to take a photo of the VRC and I usually do also before popping it in the post box.

I said to the seller that i’d post it but they insisted they post it, although I think that is standard practice.

I’ve been checking that webpage daily. Thanks

bazz26

Was the seller's name on the logbook you signed?

punisher5112

Was the car taxed?

I ask as if it were vrt paid it would need to be taxed to get the VLC...


As suggested keep eye on motor tax.ie for change of ownership if applicable as what I say above.

Alerium

bazz26 wrote: »

Was the seller's name on the logbook you signed?

Yes it was, I also have the VRT receipt with the sellers name and address.

Alerium

punisher5112 wrote: »

Was the car taxed?

I ask as if it were vrt paid it would need to be taxed to get the VLC...


As suggested keep eye on motor tax.ie for change of ownership if applicable as what I say above.

Car was taxed yes until end of Nov. The tax is very cheap 180e per year so I'd be taxing it if I was selling also.

Alerium

What should I do if, for example, in 10 days Shannon still haven't recevied the VRC and the owner insists they posted it? Thanks

Alerium

punisher5112 wrote: »

Was the car taxed?

I ask as if it were vrt paid it would need to be taxed to get the VLC...


As suggested keep eye on motor tax.ie for change of ownership if applicable as what I say above.

What usually occurs first, I receive the VRC or i can see online that there has been a change in ownership?

Del2005

Alerium wrote: »

What should I do if, for example, in 10 days Shannon still haven't recevied the VRC and the owner insists they posted it? Thanks

Start going through the M50 toll and parking illegally in places without clamping.

Atlantic Dawn

Did you do a history check on it? Seems odd to be importing a car from UK and then selling it within 4 months.

Alerium

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Did you do a history check on it? Seems odd to be importing a car from UK and then selling it within 4 months.

No I didn't, I probably should have but I was urgently looking for a car and had very limited time to buy one.

Twister2

bazz26 wrote: »

Was the seller's name on the logbook you signed?

What if not?

Just wondering

punisher5112

Twister2 wrote: »

What if not?

Just wondering

Makes getting a replacement much more difficult.

mickdw

Worst case - you bought a clone. Best case the postman delivers the signed logbook tomorrow.

Did you do a history check? Does the chassis number match when checked. Without verifying this via history check, it is too easy to steal a car, put plates matching legit car and get a fake logbook with reg as shown and chassis number off the stolen car as presented. All will then check out if you just do you checks from the logbook numbers.
The history check cross references the expected chassis number for that reg which will stop that scam easily.

Alerium

mickdw wrote: »

Worst case - you bought a clone. Best case the postman delivers the signed logbook tomorrow.

Did you do a history check? Does the chassis number match when checked. Without verifying this via history check, it is too easy to steal a car, put plates matching legit car and get a fake logbook with reg as shown and chassis number off the stolen car as presented. All will then check out if you just do you checks from the logbook numbers.
The history check cross references the expected chassis number for that reg which will stop that scam easily.

Hi, I didnt do a history check unfortunately. I know i should have.

punisher5112

Alerium wrote: »

Hi, I didnt do a history check unfortunately. I know i should have.

Do one now, not expensive.

mickdw

punisher5112 wrote: »

Do one now, not expensive.

And at least you can check that you have that actual car that matches the reg.
Once it's not a clone, you will get the book sorted.

Alerium

mickdw wrote: »

And at least you can check that you have that actual car that matches the reg.
Once it's not a clone, you will get the book sorted.

What do you mean by a clone, like a stolen car with fake documents? Can you VRT a car without some sort of docs? Where is best to do a history check and how much is it usually?

Thanks for the help

punisher5112

Alerium wrote: »

What do you mean by a clone, like a stolen car with fake documents? Can you VRT a car without some sort of docs? Where is best to do a history check and how much is it usually?

Thanks for the help

Put a reg off another.

It's worst case it may not be and hopefully not of course.

Documents are easily copied, they even go to lengths of covering up the real vin in worst case.

millington

Shannon can be very slow at times. After 2 working weeks, I would start to question if the seller sent it.

bazz26

With the amount of UK cars being imported at the moment due to pending Brexit it's very possible they have a backlog of processing registration documents.

Alerium

bazz26 wrote: »

With the amount of UK cars being imported at the moment due to pending Brexit it's very possible they have a backlog of processing registration documents.

I’ve spoken to them this morning and they said they’re pretty much up to date. They are currently working off yesterday’s post.

mickdw

Alerium wrote: »

I’ve spoken to them this morning and they said they’re pretty much up to date. They are currently working off yesterday’s post.

Can you contact the seller?

ba_barabus

Alerium wrote: »

I’ve spoken to them this morning and they said they’re pretty much up to date. They are currently working off yesterday’s post.

Contact Shannon and explain what has happened and ask them for a form to make a Statutory Declaration in order to get a logbook in your name.

I done it recently and it's very straightforward.

mickdw

ba_barabus wrote: »

Contact Shannon and explain what has happened and ask them for a form to make a Statutory Declaration in order to get a logbook in your name.

I done it recently and it's very straightforward.

Its not a bad process as long as the car is correct.
Stamped by main dealer and signed in front of peace commissioner or something like that I think.

Alerium

mickdw wrote: »

Can you contact the seller?

I’ve contacted the seller who said if i dont receive it by next week they’ll request a new one.

Alerium

ba_barabus wrote: »

Contact Shannon and explain what has happened and ask them for a form to make a Statutory Declaration in order to get a logbook in your name.

I done it recently and it's very straightforward.

I will do exactly that in a week or two. Seller said they’ll request a new VRC if i dont receive it by next week.

ba_barabus

mickdw wrote: »

Its not a bad process as long as the car is correct.
Stamped by main dealer and signed in front of peace commissioner or something like that I think.

That's pretty much it.

IF the car isn't correct the OP has bigger issues. So far there isn't anything that would overly concern me.

Alerium

mickdw wrote: »

Its not a bad process as long as the car is correct.
Stamped by main dealer and signed in front of peace commissioner or something like that I think.

What do you mean by main dealer stamped? How do i check that?

Del2005

Alerium wrote: »

What do you mean by main dealer stamped? How do i check that?

Do a history check on cartell.ie or motorcheck.ie and make sure that the engine and VIN number match, it'll also show you if it has a insurance claim for damage etc.

If the history check shows that the car is legit and you don't get the VLC then a main dealer for the brand can verify the car and you can register it to get the VLC

mickdw

Alerium wrote: »

What do you mean by main dealer stamped? How do i check that?

That was in relation to getting it registered to you if the previous owner doesn't send the book to shannon.
You fill a form. Get main dealer to inspect and stamp form to verify that car is what it says it is then get declaration witnessed by peace commissioner and send to shannon.

colm_mcm

Transfer on my civic took 6 days despite it being posted in Shannon, where the department is.

punisher5112

colm_mcm wrote: »

Transfer on my civic took 6 days despite it being posted in Shannon, where the department is.

It probably went to Dublin or portlaoise 1st.

Alerium

I’ll give it until next week maybe Wed and then ask the seller to order a new VRC.

Alerium

According to Motor Tax Online, a new VRC was issued last Friday. I think what has happened here is that the seller told me that they posted it two weeks ago when in fact they only posted it after I told them I still haven’t received the VRC and was in contact with the Department of Transport.

Thanks for everyone’s suggestions.