Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

McMurphy

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The way she went about things wasn't perfect, no doubt.

Saying she brought it on herself if blaming the victim. No one deserves abuse to be posted to their house as their father is dying.

We're in agreement about something paddy, knock me over with a feather!

However - the negative feedback she received on social media, was a product of her own pompous, righteous entitlement attitude and her media interviews, and how Leo and FG disastrously handled the whole thing.

CrazyFather1

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I think this thread is a good example of the type of abuse that women in politics can face from angry men on the internet.

It's sad to see Maria had to go through that abuse, particularly as her father was dying.

I think most people have moved on from this story now and I can see her back in public life in the future. Hard to know will she go for a general election or maybe look to the Taoiseach for a Seanad seat. In any case she has a lot to offer Irish politics again and she'll be stronger despite the vile abuse she's suffered.

I disagree
It has nothing to do with her been a woman
IT has nothing to do with her Dad dying, I don't think anyone knew he was sick while this was going on, if they did then that really is terrible,

She dug a hole for herself and then kept making it bigger. Trying to blame online trolls and saying she is still injured is just digging an even bigger hole

If she came out and apologised, said it was error of judgement, can we all move on then it might move on. But she hasn't.

Just look at the other TD who put in a claim, he is abused all the time, just look all over these threads. I am not saying it is right I am just saying it is not because she is a woman

salmocab

Ah I see her supporter is still defending her with the poor woman being attacked by men nonsense. She’s being attacked for what she done. She has to take the consequences of her actions. Her gender is irrelevant and her supporter is using it like some sort of shield.

Floppybits

salmocab wrote: »

Ah I see her supporter is still defending her with the poor woman being attacked by men nonsense. She’s being attacked for what she done. She has to take the consequences of her actions. Her gender is irrelevant and her supporter is using it like some sort of shield.

It's the FG way always someone else's fault. They never take responsibility

Penn

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The way she went about things wasn't perfect, no doubt.

Saying she brought it on herself if blaming the victim. No one deserves abuse to be posted to their house as their father is dying.

She wasn't the victim in what she did though. And she wasn't being abused for anything to do with her father, that's not a shield against criticism.

Yes, some of the abuse she received probably went too far. But she was not the victim in drunkenly falling off a swing, bringing legal action against a hotel for her injuries which were so severe she couldn't even run, and then going off and doing a 10k because actually she could run but her time was slightly slower.

Now she's still playing the victim. Nobody has probably even thought about Maria Bailey in a year and now she's back and invoking Caroline Flack, a woman who was facing legal action for domestic abuse against her partner and huge media pressure for domestic abuse, unlike Maria Bailey who was largely just being mocked by the media for falling off a swing.

She did bring it on herself. But she was not the victim.

Markcheese

Floppybits wrote: »

It's the FG way always someone else's fault. They never take responsibility

I thought that was the fianna fail way ... ( Or is that old old fianna fail now )
The independent way would be to say I showed those boyos in Dublin ..
The shinner way would to be to have your arms too full of printer cartridges to be on a damn swing ..
The left in general would split ( probably multiple times ) over the issue ..

CrazyFather1

salmocab wrote: »

Ah I see her supporter is still defending her with the poor woman being attacked by men nonsense. She’s being attacked for what she done. She has to take the consequences of her actions. Her gender is irrelevant and her supporter is using it like some sort of shield.

People are entitled to their view. Trying to say all FG supporters are the same is not 100% correct. I know plenty of FG supporters who are horrified by the carry on. Especially business owners and it was a huge dent to FG in the last election.

It would be one of the reasons I would never vote for Leo. He had his chance to boot her and done nothing. Between this and the children's hospital Leo will never get my vote.

Feisar

suicide_circus wrote: »

Let he who has never hit the deck, a drink in each hand, cast the first stone

Managed to save the drink while I was at it.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The way she went about things wasn't perfect, no doubt.

Saying she brought it on herself if blaming the victim. No one deserves abuse to be posted to their house as their father is dying.

The hotel was going to be the victim in all of this if the claim had gone ahead.

She’s only a victim of her own stupidity. I’ve also done stupid things whilst under the influence and I’m sure many, many posters here can nod in agreement that they’re the same. The difference is I have owned that thumb that plays up every now and then because I broke it when I fell off a polished chair in a pub as an injury of my own making.

It’s Maria herself who decided to bring a story that had been forgotten about back into our minds and all the references to Caroline Flack is her attempt to silence anyone who might question her again. She’s using Caroline Flack which is a pretty low thing to do.

Btw, I’m female.

salmocab

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

People are entitled to their view. Trying to say all FG supporters are the same is not 100% correct. I know plenty of FG supporters who are horrified by the carry on. Especially business owners and it was a huge dent to FG in the last election.

It would be one of the reasons I would never vote for Leo. He had his chance to boot her and done nothing. Between this and the children's hospital Leo will never get my vote.

I didn’t label all FG supporters or even mention FG, it was one poster I was referring to and used supporter in singular on purpose. I have no particular beef with FG at all. My problem is with her carry on and then her supporter here defending her based on her gender not her actions.

happyoutscan

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I think this thread is a good example of the type of abuse that women in politics can face from angry men on the internet.

It's sad to see Maria had to go through that abuse, particularly as her father was dying.

I think most people have moved on from this story now and I can see her back in public life in the future. Hard to know will she go for a general election or maybe look to the Taoiseach for a Seanad seat. In any case she has a lot to offer Irish politics again and she'll be stronger despite the vile abuse she's suffered.

She has absolutely nothing to offer. Rotten to the core, but no surprise considering the tree she came from.

Your posts that continue to support her ridiculously pathetic as well.

sydthebeat

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I think this thread is a good example of the type of abuse that women in politics can face from angry men on the internet.

It's sad to see Maria had to go through that abuse, particularly as her father was dying.

I think most people have moved on from this story now and I can see her back in public life in the future. Hard to know will she go for a general election or maybe look to the Taoiseach for a Seanad seat. In any case she has a lot to offer Irish politics again and she'll be stronger despite the vile abuse she's suffered.

Go pull the other one paddy

She deserved every single thing she got. The fact she's a woman is whataboutery nonsense

Junkyard Tom

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I think this thread is a good example of the type of abuse that women in politics can face from angry men on the internet.

Women do take terrible abuse online from angry assholes, as you say, but trying to hide MB's failings behind accusations of misogyny is manipulative guff.

I would not like to cross this woman, I've met her type in the past (both male and female versions) and they are dangerous people who would think nothing of ruining someone's career/business rather then locate blame or fault with themselves.

hatrickpatrick

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The way she went about things wasn't perfect, no doubt.

Wasn't perfect? It was 100% wrong and immoral, and intentionally so. She's an entitled chancer like so many Irish politicians and deserves every bit of ridicule she gets as a result.

Kivaro

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Wasn't perfect? It was 100% wrong and immoral, and intentionally so. She's an entitled chancer like so many Irish politicians and deserves every bit of ridicule she gets as a result.

What bothers me about all of this is the lying. She lied at the start of this incident, and continued lying as the story progressed, so how can we believe her now about anything she says? If she lies in one aspect of her life, how can we trust her as a public representative? It seems that lies and Irish politicians goes hand in hand, so we should have strict moral/integrity rules that politicians must follow if they want to "serve" the people of this country.

She says she is seriously injured. A better newspaper than the independent might have had a journalist that explored what exactly was that serious injury.

beakerjoe

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I think this thread is a good example of the type of abuse that women in politics can face from angry men on the internet.

It's sad to see Maria had to go through that abuse, particularly as her father was dying.

I think most people have moved on from this story now and I can see her back in public life in the future. Hard to know will she go for a general election or maybe look to the Taoiseach for a Seanad seat. In any case she has a lot to offer Irish politics again and she'll be stronger despite the vile abuse she's suffered.

Why is her gender an issue?

Had it been Jack Stephens or Alan Shatter, he'd get the same treatment.

Again, if your a politician and act the goat, you are open to a backlash..... its the nature of the game.

beakerjoe

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The hotel was going to be the victim in all of this if the claim had gone ahead.

She’s only a victim of her own stupidity. I’ve also done stupid things whilst under the influence and I’m sure many, many posters here can nod in agreement that they’re the same. The difference is I have owned that thumb that plays up every now and then because I broke it when I fell off a polished chair in a pub as an injury of my own making.

It’s Maria herself who decided to bring a story that had been forgotten about back into our minds and all the references to Caroline Flack is her attempt to silence anyone who might question her again. She’s using Caroline Flack which is a pretty low thing to do.

Btw, I’m female.

Id also argue that the public who pay already sky high premiums would be adversely affected too.

Shes made her own mess and she can lay in it. Zero Sympathy for her.

And its not like she is short of a bit of cash.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

She says she is seriously injured. A better newspaper than the independent might have had a journalist that explored what exactly was that serious injury.

They do put it in ‘inverted commas’ though

beakerjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

She says she is seriously injured. A better newspaper than the independent might have had a journalist that explored what exactly was that serious injury.

Is the brain damage not evident????:pac:

JeffKenna

beakerjoe wrote: »

Id also argue that the public who pay already sky high premiums would be adversely affected too.

Shes made her own mess and she can lay in it. Zero Sympathy for her.

And its not like she is short of a bit of cash.

Did she not take Aer Lingus for a good chunk as well?

Has anybody read the paper version of this? Does she expand on what happened in The Dean?

J.O. Farmer

salmocab wrote: »

Ah I see her supporter is still defending her with the poor woman being attacked by men nonsense. She’s being attacked for what she done. She has to take the consequences of her actions. Her gender is irrelevant and her supporter is using it like some sort of shield.

If it wasn't gender it'd be something else like ethnicity or disability or religion or something. If people making exaggerated insurance claims was a grounds for discrimination she'd use that too.

Thing is claims like hers lessen the impact when women are genuinely discriminated against on the basis of gender alone.

Markcheese

She may have been "seriously injured " , but SHE fell off the swing while drinking ,
She may also have been villified in the media , well yeah , she put herself forward as a politician .. it's kind of a beauty contest .. you put forward an image or persona , if you get it right with the public you can be a jerk or a disaster and still get voted in .( Think Trump or even Bertie ) ,
Personal attacks , online hate ect , is uncalled for under any circumstances ,
But also trying to play the sympathy card , the attacked for being a woman card , and for the terrible woes you've brought upon yourself , doesn't wash .
I just don't think she's very good at political spin .

doublejobbing 2

In my case, it’s true, that the truth is taken out of your hands and into entertainment. Like there were Halloween costumes,

:pac::pac::pac:

I've no sympathy for Bailey, and from what I've read about her father she didn't lick it off a stone, but there is a certain level of vitriol reserved for those who fit a certain Irish societal bracket. It can be seen in the reaction to the two solicitors in Cork who ripped off the banks.

Like Bailey, the lady in Cork was relatively young, attractive, educated, middle class, already well off, and a FG supporter.

She got absolutely roasted on social media, mostly for her FG council run but also over her dishonesty, plus an assertion she took advantage of the homeless by ripping their PPS numbers.

I guarantee you if Lyndsey whatshername had not been of this background, but rather was a Tesco check out girl from Finglas who had canvassed for SF in the past, her ingenious scheme to rip off the bastard banks would have her up as a national hero. Martin Cahill and Gerry Hutch remain folk heroes to large swathes of the population.

banie01

Kivaro wrote: »

What bothers me about all of this is the lying. She lied at the start of this incident, and continued lying as the story progressed, so how can we believe her now about anything she says?
If she lies in one aspect of her life, how can we trust her as a public representative? It seems that lies and Irish politicians goes hand in hand, so we should have strict moral/integrity rules that politicians must follow if they want to "serve" the people of this country.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
An ancient legal principle that is still given deference when someone perjures or lies.
A lie in one, is a lie in all.

The current article is a carcrash of self pity and blame shifting.

givyjoe

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

I've no sympathy for Bailey, and from what I've read about her father she didn't lick it off a stone, but there is a certain level of vitriol reserved for those who fit a certain Irish societal bracket. It can be seen in the reaction to the two solicitors in Cork who ripped off the banks.

Like Bailey, the lady in Cork was relatively young, attractive, educated, middle class, already well off, and a FG supporter.

She got absolutely roasted on social media, mostly for her FG council run but also over her dishonesty, plus an assertion she took advantage of the homeless by ripping their PPS numbers.

I guarantee you if Lyndsey whatshername had not been of this background, but rather was a Tesco check out girl from Finglas who had canvassed for SF in the past, her ingenious scheme to rip off the bastard banks would have her up as a national hero. Martin Cahill and Gerry Hutch remain folk heroes to large swathes of the population.

Complete and utter nonsense. To a small proportion of absolute scrotes, they might be, the vast majority of people from all backgrounds would despise these gangsters, probably the working class folks most of all would despise them. Their communities ravaged by drugs from these types. Remember Margaret Cash (rightly) being torn asunder from all corners??

Would I be classed as an online bully if I brought to her attention the spelling mistakes in her tweets? I just want to tell her that as the 100th woman elected to Dáil Éireann (her words) she should probably check over any tweets for a second time before she clicks “send”

We’re instead of where and to instead of too.

KevRossi

This tweet from nearly two years ago suns it up prefectly.

doublejobbing 2

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

I've no sympathy for Bailey, and from what I've read about her father she didn't lick it off a stone, but there is a certain level of vitriol reserved for those who fit a certain Irish societal bracket. It can be seen in the reaction to the two solicitors in Cork who ripped off the banks.

Like Bailey, the lady in Cork was relatively young, attractive, educated, middle class, already well off, and a FG supporter.

She got absolutely roasted on social media, mostly for her FG council run but also over her dishonesty, plus an assertion she took advantage of the homeless by ripping their PPS numbers.

I guarantee you if Lyndsey whatshername had not been of this background, but rather was a Tesco check out girl from Finglas who had canvassed for SF in the past, her ingenious scheme to rip off the bastard banks would have her up as a national hero. Martin Cahill and Gerry Hutch remain folk heroes to large swathes of the population.

Utter nonsense. She got 2 years as well. Massive identity theft. 400k stolen from banks. Total let off.

FG types on this thread are not doing themselves any favours.