Martin Nolan give 1 year to guilty pedo.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

And here you are comparing what would happen if it was a man and providing zero evidence how you came to your conclusion. And you are telling me it's not about men and their feelings of perceived injustice.

Sorry? No it's not about perceived injustice. As I said, the punishment for having sex with a child (especially when you are their teacher) should be more harsh than a 3 year sentence with 2 suspended, regardless of the gender.

I just am surprised by the amount of people on this thread that believe that she was harshly sentenced.

I don't think I have ever (or will ever) seen a thread discussed here where a male teacher admitted to having sex with an underage schoolgirl and the people saying that "ah well she probably was gagging for it" so sadly I have no concrete evidence for you.

Somehow that means that because I have a different opinion on the severity of the crime, I am pissed off with the metoo movement.

Ok so.

tommyled1984

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I wonder would you be so understanding if a 24 year old man was shagging your 16 year old daughter ?

I think like any father I wouldn't want my 16yr old daughter to be having sex with anybody let alone her 23yr old substitute teacher(as was her age at the time). So no I wouldn't be happy. I would probably want to kill him initially and I'd make sure he got sacked and that would be as much attention as it required. I'd go through their messages and if it was a fair 50/50 dialogue which in this case it seemed to be I'd leave it at that..

More importantly, I also wouldn't allow my 15/16yr old daughter go out clubbing which is where the line was crossed in this case and I'm guessing numbers were exchanged etc.

Remebering back to when I was 16 myself I was quiet well able to manipulate people and flirt so unless this lad had learning difficulties I'd say he was too. If this lad has been struggling with this then dragging it through the courts is going to magnify his problem. My opinion is that this lad is living a perfectly normal life, has no regrets and this a stepping stone to a massive pay out.

vriesmays

When he's middle-aged he won't be doing it with women 7 years older.

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meeeeh wrote: »

As far as know the case isn't closed yet so what you or I think is completely irrelevant (and I agree with you that she probably lied tried to commit the most horrific crime you can commit on twelve innocent men).

Fixed your post and there's no real probably tbh.

Justin Credible Darts

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Fixed your post and there's no real probably tbh.

not the first horrible b1tch to make false rape claims against multiple men in cyprus either.


was an irish one did it to 3 irish soldiers back in the 90s just out of spite and only got 4 months

Strazdas

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you are conflating two issues.

What she did was wrong professionally

What she did was groom a 15 year old and had sex with him while he was still underage. This is illegal and regardless of your gender, being embarrassed and getting fired sounds like the punishment for photocopying your arse at the work Xmas party, not for grooming and having sex with someone you know is a child.

Lots of things are illegal and never end up in court with prison sentences at the end. If they did, our prison population would be well into six figures.

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

Lots of things are illegal and never end up in court with prison sentences at the end. If they did, our prison population would be well into six figures.

Yeah but I would put "teachers who have sex with an underage child" pretty high on the list of things that should ALWAYS be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

Will I Am Not

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah but I would put "teachers who have sex with an underage child" pretty high on the list of things that should ALWAYS be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

Nah, sure it’s no worse than watching the new Joker movie on Showbox.

Strazdas

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah but I would put "teachers who have sex with an underage child" pretty high on the list of things that should ALWAYS be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

I suspect the incidences of this are higher than ever end up in any courtroom.

Besides, our laws also say that any 16 year old in Ireland involved in a sexual relationship is doing something illegal and criminal.

meeeeh

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Fixed your post and there's no real probably tbh.

So you are police, judge, jury and prosecution in one. You have very high opinion of yourself.

meeeeh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Somehow that means that because I have a different opinion on the severity of the crime, I am pissed off with the metoo movement.

Ok so.

No it's because you mention 'male teacher' in your every second post.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

No it's because you mention 'male teacher' in your every second post.

Sigh!

Yes, when I am responding to you. In order to put into context that the gender of the teacher should be irrelevant and the punishment for having sex with a child student should be harsher.

Somehow treating both sexes the same is now anti #metoo.

Fair enough.

Justin Credible Darts

Deleted User wrote: »

Sigh!

Yes, when I am responding to you. In order to put into context that the gender of the teacher should be irrelevant and the punishment for having sex with a child student should be harsher.

Somehow treating both sexes the same is now anti #metoo.

Fair enough.

you are wasting your time.
Their agenda wont allow them to see the actual point you are making,

RandomName2

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you are wasting your time.
Their agenda wont allow them to see the actual point you are making,

Well many people here seem to be defining how they think she should be treated based upon how they think a man in a similar position would be treated. Some of these people of course contradict themselves saying that the judge gives all sex offenders a slap on the wrist regardless of sex, but when has moralistic invective ever been particularly logical?

I accept that equality in treatment is something worth aspiring to.

the dunne to his credit says that he specifically thinks that the sentence is too lenient based upon the fact that it was a teacher having sex with their student (or as he likes to say 'an underage child' because while notwithstanding that being an accurate description from a legal point of view, it's useful in his mind because it makes the [ahem] victim sound like he was in kindergarden, and quite unlike someone who could be found downing drinks in a nightclub entirely of his own volition). And yes, we can indeed say that someone of 16 has volition when it comes to the law, in case anybody was in doubt. We just don't say that someone of 16 has volition in relation to anything sexual.

I agree that the perpetrator in this case being the teacher of the victim in this case is very important. But it's importance is only in ethical ways - from a legal stand point it didn't make it any more or less illegal. The fact that she was his teacher was merely considered an aggravating circumstance, while her full cooperation with the investigation was seen as a mitigating circumstance.

So with the legal particulars out of the way it really does feel like the issue is about the sex of the perpetrator as a cause d'etre for many of the people here, and I honestly feel that that causes actual justice relating to the matter to be considered in anything but an objective fashion.

Justin Credible Darts

You can go about the mother who had no idea the kid was in night clubs
or the kid enjoyed his time with the teacher and went back for more and was hardly traumatized
you can spout the laws in other countries, and go on how the french president did this and that.

But the issue the teacher.
She was the one in court , because she knowingly broke the law.
It does not matter if she is a hot 24 year, or a fat balding 50 year old man, she was a teacher who knew shagging a kid was morally and legally wrong.

because Nolan wrongly let other paedos walk does not make her crime any less of a crime, and she deserved to be in court for what she did, simple as that..losing her job alone was not enough

Irish Guitarist

I'd consider this on the lower end of sex offences but for some reason it's one the harshest sentences this judge has given. It's certainly wrong for a teacher to take advantage of her position like this but it's nowhere near as bad as some of the offences that scumbags have gotten suspended sentences or a few months in jail for. Men that have raped their nieces and been caught with with tens of thousands of videos and pictures of child porn have walked out of this judges court without having to serve a day in jail, and one man who raped his three to five year old daughter got a six month sentence.

It's bizarre that the judge chose this woman to give a relatively long sentence to. It makes absolutely no sense.

mr_fegelien

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I'd consider this on the lower end of sex offences but for some reason it's one the harshest sentences this judge has given. It's certainly wrong for a teacher to take advantage of her position like this but it's nowhere near as bad as some of the offences that scumbags have gotten suspended sentences or a few months in jail for. Men that have raped their nieces and been caught with with tens of thousands of videos and pictures of child porn have walked out of this judges court without having to serve a day in jail, and one man who raped his three to five year old daughter got a six month sentence.

It's bizarre that the judge chose this woman to give a relatively long sentence to. It makes absolutely no sense.

I actually think it was to "make an example" and discourage teachers from doing this.

nullzero

tommyled1984 wrote: »

I think our laws need to be changed. For a start I think many of us know of a student who had sex with a teacher. I know of a few which include both male and female students. For those who don't, look at the president of France who was 15 and had sex with his 39year old teacher. To put some perspective on it, he was a year younger than the boy in Ireland and the age gap was 24yrs which was the age of the teacher in Ireland. And, the French president is now happily married to that teacher today.
There is one big factor which had a huge influence in this happening and it has been brushed under the carpet. The 24yr old teacher first met the 16yr old student in an over 18s premises. I don't know the details but I'm assuming thats where they hit it off. She may not have known he was a student at that point and most likely she broke the law that night. His parents knowingly allowed him go out to engage in over 18s activities where he met the girl but are now not happy that he consented to an activity that required him to be 17..Are they looking for a big pay out?
If we had strict age card requirements this probably would never have happened.
Another point I'd make is this teacher was only 24years old, although an adult at 18 I think it takes many of us a lot longer to mature fully and be responsible adults. I know I was in my late 20s before I reached this stage. She was 24, probably a year out of the education system herself where she would have lived the college lifestyle for 4 years which should be self explanatory.
There have been images of this girl leaked on social media and I can tell you she is probably the most attractive sex offender on the planet. I don't believe she should be labelled this. I feel sorry for the girl.

This is just unbelievable.
You should be ashamed of yourself for defending this woman (she isn't a "girl").

You feel sorry for her, what a joke, she broke the law by having sex with a minor.
The mental gymnastics you're engaged in are incredible. Shame on you and all those thanking your post.

Irish Guitarist

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I actually think it was to "make an example" and discourage teachers from doing this.

That makes no sense when he lets people rape their daughters and says they don't pose a threat to the public. I don't condone anyone taking advantage of their position but a 15 year olds life isn't going to be ruined by having sex with a 23 year old in the same way as a 3 year old girl being sexually abused by her father for two years.

This sentence is an insult to the victims of much worse crimes.

tritium

For those arguing the sentence was harsh

Ex journalist Tom Humphries got two and a half years for defilement of a child for grooming and having sex with a 14 year old girl. At the time the DRCC describes the sentence as being disturbingly lenient.

I’m assuming you all disagree with that DRCC assessment?

tritium

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

That makes no sense when he lets people rape their daughters and says they don't pose a threat to the public. I don't condone anyone taking advantage of their position but a 15 year olds life isn't going to be ruined by having sex with a 23 year old in the same way as a 3 year old girl being sexually abused by her father for two years.

This sentence is an insult to the victims of much worse crimes.

Is the solution to previous poor sentencing really more poor sentencing?

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meeeeh wrote: »

So you are police, judge, jury and prosecution in one. You have very high opinion of yourself.

Yes, it's called self confidence.



It doesn't really matter what the court case says tbh. There's video evidence, there's the fact that half the people she accused weren't even there and there's her written statement (which is being contested). It's only if there is beyond any kind of doubt that she committed a crime, but she most definetly lied about the non-consensual aspect.

Ironicname

Bull****. The insult to the victims of "much worse crimes" was the sentence that was given in that particular case.

This sentence is an insult to child abuse.

RandomName2

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

You can go about the mother who had no idea the kid was in night clubs
or the kid enjoyed his time with the teacher and went back for more and was hardly traumatized
you can spout the laws in other countries, and go on how the french president did this and that.

But the issue the teacher.

No the issue is not the teacher. As you say yourself the issue isn't what is the norm in other countries, or whether the guy involved was traumatized, or whether there was any injured party at all. The issue is that he was 16 and not 17. It doesn't matter if she was his teacher or had nothing to do with him.

The law is not whether the person is in a position of authority. It is simply that 16 year olds cannot legally have sex in this country. Her being a teacher is irrelevant in terms of the law.

You go on about morals, as if you had not just dismissed them. You talk about morals as if you had not just conceded that he was in all likelihood not traumatized in any shape or form. You go on about morals as if you had not just said that it didn't really matter whether or not it was consensual.

I think that people in positions of authority (guards, teachers, doctors) should be more accountable, but that was not particularly relevant in terms of the legality of the issue. On the other hand, if we are bringing morals into it, then aspects in relation to agency and consent should be on the table.

Will someone think of the children?

Ironicname

RandomName2 wrote:

No the issue is not the teacher.

I think it's safe to say that this post kinda nullifies any further pointa you have to make.

The teacher who had sex with a child is not the issue?

Jesus

Irish Guitarist

Ironicname wrote: »

Bull****. The insult to the victims of "much worse crimes" was the sentence that was given in that particular case.

This sentence is an insult to child abuse.

No it's not bullshit to point out the ridiculousness of giving a 23 year old who had sex with a teenager a sentence twice as harsh as that of a man who spent two years raping his infant daughter.

Justin Credible Darts

RandomName2 wrote: »

No the issue is not the teacher.

There it is folks....the guilty adult taking advantage of a child is now not the issue.

Irish Guitarist

Which of these men is a bigger scumbag?

KathleenGrant

Comparing it to other cases which may have had lenient sentences is not the point. Comparing Irish law to laws in other countries is not the point. She was an adult who was aware of her legal responsibility with regard to minors. Ok she waited till his birthday but she must have been lusting after a child before that. She deserves to lose her job and she deserves to do jail.

Ironicname

Irish Guitarist wrote:

No it's not bull**** to point out the ridiculousness of giving a 23 year old who had sex with a teenager a sentence twice as harsh as that of a man who spent two years raping his infant daughter.

It's ridiculous that the man who raped his daughter wasn't given a much harsher sentence. That in no way impacts on how lenient this was either.

It's not top trumps