Martin Nolan give 1 year to guilty pedo.

jimwallace197

jimwallace197 wrote: »

The boy said he suffers stress, migraines, anxiety and feels under pressure.

Definitely setting it up for a claim against the school. He's 18 now and because he had sex when he was 16 with his teacher, he is claiming he is psychologically damaged. What a croc of ****

This country sometimes....

A one year custodial sentence is harsh, very harsh irrespective of the gender

Would you be saying such, if it were a female victim of a male teacher? Or male teacher on male victim?

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder why she can't be named/shown. Men usually don't get that luxury.

Once again you spout utter nonsense in your crusade against women.

She can’t be named to protect the identity of the child. Same goes for a man.

muffler

muffler wrote: »

This lads mother made a big issue of it when she found out and rightfully so but where was she when her 15 year old child was in a night club?

Same place my mother (and much of Ireland's were) would be.
Lied to and thinking I was in a friend's place

Antares35

jimwallace197 wrote: »

The boy said he suffers stress, migraines, anxiety and feels under pressure.

Definitely setting it up for a claim against the school. He's 18 now and because he had sex when he was 16 with his teacher, he is claiming he is psychologically damaged. What a croc of ****

This country sometimes....

A one year custodial sentence is harsh, very harsh irrespective of the gender

I'd say he's been dining out on it - the class hero for sleeping with the teacher. Psychological damage my backside. He should try overcoming childhood abuse from the age of 6 and see how psychologically damaged he is then. I have that t-shirt and it's a million miles from this circus.

jimwallace197

Deleted User wrote: »

Some young girls are also "mad up for it" at a young age. Should it be ok for male teachers to "hop on top of them" if they are getting signals?




Yeah, a teacher getting charged for having sex with an underage student is exactly the slippery slope that will lead to you unable to break wind.

That's such a ridiculous argument.

You got some kind of a problem?? Want to pm me?

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

Once again you spout utter nonsense in your crusade against women.

She can’t be named to protect the identity of the child. Same goes for a man.

Wind your neck in. I asked a questions, someone answered and said the reason and I said that was fair enough.

Mostly, in cases like this, the man is named and plastered all over the newspapers. This woman wasn't. I was unaware it was to protect the victim.

Crusade against women? You don't know anything about me, but as a single father of a daughter, and after being raised by my sister and mother, I have nothing but respect for some woman. Just not all. In the same way I respect some men, but not all.

Get a grip.

alastair

jimwallace197 wrote: »

You got some kind of a problem?? Want to pm me?

🙄

jimwallace197

jimwallace197 wrote: »

You got some kind of a problem?? Want to pm me?

Not at all chief, I just disagree with your opinion. No problem.

RandomName2

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Can't be consensual when one is a minor.

Yes it can. 17 year olds in Ireland can give consent.

Ireland, because of its very traditional stance on sexuality has usually had very strict laws on all things related to sexuality, while mainland Europe has predominantly had more relaxed laws. That's why Ireland has the highest age of consent in Europe, and why this teacher is a pedophile while Emanuel Macron's wife, isn't.

There are of course a debate to be had with the age of consent, and that despite our incredibly high age of consent, Ireland has had more of an issue with pedophilia than most of Europe (granted that that had a common cause rather than being cause and effect). There is nonetheless the complication that a teacher is in a role of authority, in the same way as a doctor and patient is a skewed relationship. More than that, a student in secondary school can't just vote with their feet. This is a very close relationship that does not in any way improve with the introduction of sexuality.

Nevertheless there will be the outraged individuals here holding their indignation dearly to their chest. I mean this combines two of the favorite ingredients for indignation: minors, and sexuality. Added to this people wanting to score easy points for sexual equality will have a field day. The lack of balance and proportionality that this is going to generate is tiresome to anyone who isn't dancing to the drumbeat.

dvdman1

Everyone already knows her name

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder why she can't be named/shown. Men usually don't get that luxury.

The always do unless the victim wants to give up the right to anonymity.

Also for the idea that young lads get a pat on the back (and women get away with it), do you think that's women who created that? Is it f***.

Gerry Hannon

Women have to put up with so much in this society already now you want to pile more on them by expecting them to follow every single law !?
Our society is turning into the handmaids tale.

Beta Ray Bill

muffler wrote: »

This lads mother made a big issue of it when she found out and rightfully so but where was she when her 15 year old child was in a night club?

Absolutely

This is the first thing I thought.
15 and in an over 18's night club.

Sh!t parents... And then they go mental when something like this happens.

Here's another way to put:
How many girls at or over the age of 17 had he slept with as a 15 year that looks old enough to get into an 18's nightclub.

I'd nearly guarantee she didn't pop his cherry.

A year sentence is harsh, her life is already wrecked. His life can continue on as normal having "Bedded" the sexy substitute teacher.

Should have been fully suspended, her life would still be wrecked anyway.

Note also: she is NOT a Peado, she doesn't fancy kids. She fancied a lad who looked 18 or over.

Matt Barrett

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The always do unless the victim wants to give up the right to anonymity.

Also for the idea that young lads get a pat on the back (and women get away with it), do you think that's women who created that? Is it f***.

Fair enough. I just wondered.

Ah now, I already got "given out to" for my crusade against women (?) but seriously, you are going to say that the reason women get more lenient sentences is because of men?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

siblers

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Absolutely

This is the first thing I thought.
15 and in an over 18's night club.

Sh!t parents... And then they go mental when something like this happens.

Here's another way to put:
How many girls at or over the age of 17 had he slept with as a 15 year that looks old enough to get into an 18's nightclub.

I'd nearly guarantee she didn't pop his cherry.

A year sentence is harsh, her life is already wrecked. His life can continue on as normal having "Bedded" the sexy substitute teacher.

Should have been fully suspended, her life would still be wrecked anyway.

Note also: she is NOT a Peado, she doesn't fancy kids. She fancied a lad who looked 18 or over.

Again, she knew he was 15. She waited till his 16th birthday to sleep with him as she thought that was the age of consent. Him looking like a 18 year old in a night club has nothing to do with this

Did you even read the article?

RandomName2

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Note also: she is NOT a Peado, she doesn't fancy kids. She fancied a lad who looked 18 or over.

Paedo means child. I think we are past the point of things meaning what they are supposed to mean.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair enough. I just wondered.

Ah now, I already got "given out to" for my crusade against women (?) but seriously, you are going to say that the reason women get more lenient sentences is because of men?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

That's not my whole point, but yes.
Who do you think has society thinking a young lad, a minor having sex with a teacher gets a pat on the back and is a legend? The lads.



Nice...



Same mentality has arseholes thinking women in short skirts are asking for it.

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wind your neck in. I asked a questions, someone answered and said the reason and I said that was fair enough.

Mostly, in cases like this, the man is named and plastered all over the newspapers. This woman wasn't. I was unaware it was to protect the victim.

Crusade against women? You don't know anything about me, but as a single father of a daughter, and after being raised by my sister and mother, I have nothing but respect for some woman. Just not all. In the same way I respect some men, but not all.

Get a grip.

‘Men don’t usually get that luxury’ wasn’t making this a men vs women thing was it not?

You made a baseless and stupid claim on the presumption that she isn’t being named because she’s a woman.

James Brown

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

..

Note also: she is NOT a Peado, she doesn't fancy kids. She fancied a lad who looked 18 or over.

So she's not a peado because the kid she fancied looked older, fair enough...
There's a cut off age for a reason.

Cyclingtourist

When I was his age I was hoping to be 'violated'. She should have got an award for creative sex ed. teaching.

Beta Ray Bill

siblers wrote: »

Him looking like a 18 year old in a night club has nothing to do with this

Except that it does.
He looked like an adult man.

We've all seen the pics of her, she's gorgeous. He's probably delighted he got to shag her (I would be).
Put it this way... If he got the chance now as a 16 year old to shag some ultra sexy 24/25 year old would he do it? - Course he would
Or if he could change the past would he? - Yes, he'd make sure he wasn't caught this time

Doesn't really sound like a victim in the grand scheme of things.

siblers wrote: »

Did you even read the article?

Yes, I read the entire article.

She should not have had a relationship with a student though.
I know people this has happened to in both secondary school and college.

It was important to note that he was not groomed and the judge said she is very unlikely to re-offend.

She didn't "Go after him", it just happened.
She was 23 at the time and did something very stupid. we were all thick as bricks in our early twenties.

Strazdas

In most countries in Europe, this would not be a legal issue. It would purely be disciplinary (she'd probably be sacked for having an inappropriate relationship with a student and that would be the end of the matter).

Neyite

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

This is the first thing I thought.
15 and in an over 18's night club.

My parents were the strictest in the village. We still managed to sneak out and into over 18s clubs and get pissed. So did most of our friends. We all had some form of fake ID's. Kids these days are no different.



As a teacher she would have had specific child protection and safeguarding training - more than a lot of adults who still would steer well clear of a kid they knew to be 15 in a club.

alastair

RandomName2 wrote: »

Paedo means child. I think we are past the point of things meaning what they are supposed to mean.

Actually it technically means an attraction to a pre-pubescent child. This is a situation of ephebophilia.

James Brown

Just read that now...

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Except that it does.
He She looked like an adult man Woman.

We've all seen the pics of her him, she's he's gorgeous. He's She's probably delighted he she got to shag her him (I would be).
Put it this way... If he she got the chance now as a 16 year old to shag some ultra sexy 24/25 year old would he she do it? - Course he she would
Or if he she could change the past would he she? - Yes, he'd she'd make sure he she wasn't caught this time

Doesn't really sound like a victim in the grand scheme of things.


Yes, I read the entire article.

She He should not have had a relationship with a student though.
I know people this has happened to in both secondary school and college.

It was important to note that he she was not groomed and the judge said she he is very unlikely to re-offend.

She He didn't "Go after him", it just happened.
She He was 23 at the time and did something very stupid. we were all thick as bricks in our early twenties.

If if's and but's....
She did groom him. She bought him presents ffs.

Brock Turnpike

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I see the charge was "defilement of a child".

And that should be the end of the rape chatter in the thread.

Cyclingtourist

He was couched by his teacher and now he's being coached by his Mum with a view to a big pay day €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€.

RandomName2

alastair wrote: »

Actually it technically means an attraction to a pre-pubescent child. This is a situation of ephebophilia.

Paedo literally means child. That is the meaning. Paedophile means someone who loves children. Francophile means someone who loves french things. Necrophile means someone who loves dead things. In the first and third case the meaning of love is distinctly in a sexual sense. Outside of that all the definitions are legal. So here she's a 'paedo' but in France, Spain, Italy, etc. she wouldn't be, because of our specific legal system.

LorelaiG

Gatling wrote: »

Joke sentence this is a woman who is a qualified teacher and Very well aware of child protection ,
If it was a male teacher they would have seen a multiple year sentence

Not in front of Nolan, he'd have probably had the entire sentence suspended.

alastair

RandomName2 wrote: »

Paedo literally means child. That is the meaning. Paedophile means someone who loves children. Francophile means someone who loves french things. Necrophile means someone who loves dead things. In the first and third case the meaning of love is distinctly in a sexual sense. Outside of that all the definitions are legal. So here she's a 'paedo' but in France, Spain, Italy, etc. she wouldn't be, because of our specific legal system.

Paedophilia is a technical Psychiatric term - which, whatever it’s Greek basis, defines the specific child as being pre-pubescent, irrespective of the age of consent at play in the legal jurisdiction.

keng66

All I got for my 16th birthday was a bike

Beta Ray Bill

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Just read that now...
If if's and but's....
She did groom him. She bought him presents ffs.

Listen buddy, if you think Man = Woman you've a lot to learn.... like a hell of a lot.

We have equal rights, but we are not the same.

I understand the point you're trying to make in that there is punishment based on the law for men and a more lenient punishment based on the law for women.

The thing is the world isn't like that. Young women 15-19 are far less sexually driven than young men of the same age group.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

suicide_circus

keng66 wrote: »

All I got for my 16th birthday was a bike

so did he

Boggles

Thread title is inaccurate.

But at the end of the day, she brought this on her self. So yellow for stupidity.

u140acro3xs7dm

I know of 3 different cases of this happening in my school - it must be common enough.

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

‘Men don’t usually get that luxury’ wasn’t making this a men vs women thing was it not?

You made a baseless and stupid claim on the presumption that she isn’t being named because she’s a woman.

Calm down there deary.

Usually, the man is named. I have been made aware now that this is because the victims usually waive their right to anonymity. That is fair enough.

I wondered if there was any other reason (i.e it wasn't technically rape etc) but I have been told (on numerous occasions) that it was to protect the identity of the victim.

There would be no need for me to turn this into a man vs woman thing. It's already patently clear that a woman gets a more lenient sentence and less of a stigma for having sex with a child.

Cyclingtourist

The law's an ass. "defilement of a child" what a load of bs.

RandomName2

alastair wrote: »

Paedophilia is a technical Psychiatric term - which, whatever it’s Greek basis, defines the specific child as being pre-pubescent, irrespective of the age of consent at play in the legal jurisdiction.

Oh actually that's true, yes, there is a psychiatric definition that is as you describe. It is also infinitely more useful than saying that an 18 year old sleeping with a 16 year old is a paedophile, though the law would actually disagree here.

c.p.w.g.w

1 year for the worst crimes against the child....yet 6 years for improper garlic importation

RandomName2

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

1 year for the worst crimes against the child....yet 6 years for improper garlic importation

I think nothing less than execution was merited in both cases.

Cyclingtourist

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

1 year for the worst crimes against the child....yet 6 years for improper garlic importation

Chinese garlic is gastronomic defilement of the worst kind. Should have got life.

Boggles

Garlic man got 2 years on appeal and spent most of it at home.

jimwallace197

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

1 year for the worst crimes against the child....yet 6 years for improper garlic importation

Are you ever going to let that go??

alastair

RandomName2 wrote: »

Oh actually that's true, yes, there is a psychiatric definition that is as you describe. It is also infinitely more useful than saying that an 18 year old sleeping with a 16 year old is a paedophile, though the law would actually disagree here.

The law makes no attempt to categorise paedophilia though. And the law also allows for a proximity of age defence, so it acknowledges that the demarcation for what is criminal, and what is not, is not concrete.

LorelaiG

https://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0316/687601-roscommon-abuse/?fbclid=IwAR0Johf92Cbj8lPb10UKxal8iEpsrQ-JdzrMhvIVbHWxuErhI1ofYe0-uP4 - 6 months for abusing a 5 year old child over the course of two years.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-irish-civil-servant-caught-12375534?fbclid=IwAR3cpjji6esLbiNTJykpIZ-kaUTufCC8T2LR-zWmfvSa6_LIwn9Vl848re0 - 60,000 child abuse images, no custodial sentence.

https://www.thejournal.ie/suspended-sentence-man-who-attacked-partner-3799418-Jan2018/?fbclid=IwAR29dwkpUpx-ZMAgDTHBzv_rEFQWNPo9b33NOGl-L6L2E04FzMwiCre6wOw - pouring boiling water over your partner in front of your kids, no custodial sentence.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/christopher-stewart-man-tragically-dies-13003681?fbclid=IwAR1fv4K1Ge4g_4gm9PRNLIsN_JfYlq1_WOqI0K0fHWWQi6IYFHViy1qNfIw - kill a man, no custodial sentence.

Judge Martin Nolan is not fit for his job tbh.

Yes this woman deserves jail, even longer than a year but when he gives men who abuse and even kill non custodial sentences... There's something wrong.

meeeeh

My school mates mother married the father who was her teacher after she got pregnant at 16. The school thought he was dating school secretary when it was actually her daughter. He is a maths professor at university now and still an arsehole (unrelated to the pregnancy thing). Most European countries have age of consent whic is 16 or lower and calling that paedophilia is frankly moronic.

I love the hysteria in this thread and I know men who walked for similar, I also know a man groomed and had sex with his niece for years(she was younger when it started) and he spent only 18 months in prison. This hysteria about what would happen if it was a man says more about some posters than offers any insight into sentencing.

That being said she broke the law.

Anus Von Skidmark

LorelaiG wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0316/687601-roscommon-abuse/?fbclid=IwAR0Johf92Cbj8lPb10UKxal8iEpsrQ-JdzrMhvIVbHWxuErhI1ofYe0-uP4 - 6 months for abusing a 5 year old child over the course of two years.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-irish-civil-servant-caught-12375534?fbclid=IwAR3cpjji6esLbiNTJykpIZ-kaUTufCC8T2LR-zWmfvSa6_LIwn9Vl848re0 - 60,000 child abuse images, no custodial sentence.

https://www.thejournal.ie/suspended-sentence-man-who-attacked-partner-3799418-Jan2018/?fbclid=IwAR29dwkpUpx-ZMAgDTHBzv_rEFQWNPo9b33NOGl-L6L2E04FzMwiCre6wOw - pouring boiling water over your partner in front of your kids, no custodial sentence.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/christopher-stewart-man-tragically-dies-13003681?fbclid=IwAR1fv4K1Ge4g_4gm9PRNLIsN_JfYlq1_WOqI0K0fHWWQi6IYFHViy1qNfIw - kill a man, no custodial sentence.

Judge Martin Nolan is not fit for his job tbh.

Yes this woman deserves jail, even longer than a year but when he gives men who abuse and even kill non custodial sentences... There's something wrong.

I'd bet the house and car on the lad being a more than willing participant in the act. I know when I was 16 if I got half a chance to get down and dirty with a female teacher, I'd need to be dug out with a shovel. I think it's bonkers to put that woman on the same level as any of the actual paedophiles and predators that Martin Nolan and others have let walk with a slap on the wrist.

It was a serious error of judgement no doubt, and probably warrants her being booted from the teaching profession, but I can't see how it warrants a custodial sentence.

RandomName2

alastair wrote: »

The law makes no attempt to categorise paedophilia though. And the law also allows for a proximity of age defence, so it acknowledges that the demarcation for what is criminal, and what is not, is not concrete.

Okay I didn't know enough about this so I've just looked it up.

That's merely a defense though, it's still illegal. Two 16 year olds in Ireland who have sex are both guilty of defilement of a child. There is however a recommended exemption of prosecution for girls though. So if both 16 year olds are male, both may be prosecuted, if they are both female, neither may be prosecuted.

Granted that sentencing is reduced if the offender(s) are close in age, and likewise increased if there's a position of authority involved (e.g. teacher), but this doesn't change the legal definition.

Interestingly the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Child Protection in 2006 recommended changing the age of consent to 16, and 18 with a person in authority. At least this would make the age of consent consistent throughout the island of Ireland.

To quote the Oireachtas report

The minimum age for engaging in sexual activity has, however, been set
lower, at 17 years. Lower still, at 16 years, is the age for consenting to
medical procedures, leaving school, and the age at which one ceases to be
a child for the purposes of employment legislation. The age of criminal
responsibility is 12, although it is lower again, at 10 years, in the case of
certain offences, including certain sexual offences. It is not entirely clear
whether there is a coherent notion of maturity or development which justifies
the fixing of these different age brackets. What is clear, however, is that
Irish law takes a progressive or gradual approach to the issue of maturity and
adulthood. This makes intuitive sense. Rather than seeing the coming of
adulthood as a magical process that occurs overnight, the law sees it as
developing incrementally. That said, the existence of these different age
limits could be a source of practical difficulty.

The Committee sees the merit in such a re-examination. Although the
Committee makes recommendations below in relation to those age limits that
are of direct relevance to the Committee's orders of reference, a wide-ranging
review of these issues would go well beyond the Committee’s remit.

The Committee recommends that the different ages of maturity
and consent provided for in Irish law be reviewed, and kept under
continuing review, in order to ensure consistency and coherence,
and to ensure that sufficient recognition is given to the dawning
maturity of children at appropriate ages.

monty_python

No pictures of the teacher?

headnorth

Deleted User wrote:

I wonder why she can't be named/shown. Men usually don't get that luxury.

A couple of pics of her with face blurred out were on various news websites when she made her first appearances in court. Easy to trace the name from there.