Martin Nolan give 1 year to guilty pedo.

Cyclingtourist

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

1 year for the worst crimes against the child....yet 6 years for improper garlic importation

Chinese garlic is gastronomic defilement of the worst kind. Should have got life.

Boggles

Garlic man got 2 years on appeal and spent most of it at home.

jimwallace197

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

1 year for the worst crimes against the child....yet 6 years for improper garlic importation

Are you ever going to let that go??

alastair

RandomName2 wrote: »

Oh actually that's true, yes, there is a psychiatric definition that is as you describe. It is also infinitely more useful than saying that an 18 year old sleeping with a 16 year old is a paedophile, though the law would actually disagree here.

The law makes no attempt to categorise paedophilia though. And the law also allows for a proximity of age defence, so it acknowledges that the demarcation for what is criminal, and what is not, is not concrete.

LorelaiG

https://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0316/687601-roscommon-abuse/?fbclid=IwAR0Johf92Cbj8lPb10UKxal8iEpsrQ-JdzrMhvIVbHWxuErhI1ofYe0-uP4 - 6 months for abusing a 5 year old child over the course of two years.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-irish-civil-servant-caught-12375534?fbclid=IwAR3cpjji6esLbiNTJykpIZ-kaUTufCC8T2LR-zWmfvSa6_LIwn9Vl848re0 - 60,000 child abuse images, no custodial sentence.

https://www.thejournal.ie/suspended-sentence-man-who-attacked-partner-3799418-Jan2018/?fbclid=IwAR29dwkpUpx-ZMAgDTHBzv_rEFQWNPo9b33NOGl-L6L2E04FzMwiCre6wOw - pouring boiling water over your partner in front of your kids, no custodial sentence.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/christopher-stewart-man-tragically-dies-13003681?fbclid=IwAR1fv4K1Ge4g_4gm9PRNLIsN_JfYlq1_WOqI0K0fHWWQi6IYFHViy1qNfIw - kill a man, no custodial sentence.

Judge Martin Nolan is not fit for his job tbh.

Yes this woman deserves jail, even longer than a year but when he gives men who abuse and even kill non custodial sentences... There's something wrong.

meeeeh

My school mates mother married the father who was her teacher after she got pregnant at 16. The school thought he was dating school secretary when it was actually her daughter. He is a maths professor at university now and still an arsehole (unrelated to the pregnancy thing). Most European countries have age of consent whic is 16 or lower and calling that paedophilia is frankly moronic.

I love the hysteria in this thread and I know men who walked for similar, I also know a man groomed and had sex with his niece for years(she was younger when it started) and he spent only 18 months in prison. This hysteria about what would happen if it was a man says more about some posters than offers any insight into sentencing.

That being said she broke the law.

Anus Von Skidmark

LorelaiG wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0316/687601-roscommon-abuse/?fbclid=IwAR0Johf92Cbj8lPb10UKxal8iEpsrQ-JdzrMhvIVbHWxuErhI1ofYe0-uP4 - 6 months for abusing a 5 year old child over the course of two years.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-irish-civil-servant-caught-12375534?fbclid=IwAR3cpjji6esLbiNTJykpIZ-kaUTufCC8T2LR-zWmfvSa6_LIwn9Vl848re0 - 60,000 child abuse images, no custodial sentence.

https://www.thejournal.ie/suspended-sentence-man-who-attacked-partner-3799418-Jan2018/?fbclid=IwAR29dwkpUpx-ZMAgDTHBzv_rEFQWNPo9b33NOGl-L6L2E04FzMwiCre6wOw - pouring boiling water over your partner in front of your kids, no custodial sentence.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/christopher-stewart-man-tragically-dies-13003681?fbclid=IwAR1fv4K1Ge4g_4gm9PRNLIsN_JfYlq1_WOqI0K0fHWWQi6IYFHViy1qNfIw - kill a man, no custodial sentence.

Judge Martin Nolan is not fit for his job tbh.

Yes this woman deserves jail, even longer than a year but when he gives men who abuse and even kill non custodial sentences... There's something wrong.

I'd bet the house and car on the lad being a more than willing participant in the act. I know when I was 16 if I got half a chance to get down and dirty with a female teacher, I'd need to be dug out with a shovel. I think it's bonkers to put that woman on the same level as any of the actual paedophiles and predators that Martin Nolan and others have let walk with a slap on the wrist.

It was a serious error of judgement no doubt, and probably warrants her being booted from the teaching profession, but I can't see how it warrants a custodial sentence.

RandomName2

alastair wrote: »

The law makes no attempt to categorise paedophilia though. And the law also allows for a proximity of age defence, so it acknowledges that the demarcation for what is criminal, and what is not, is not concrete.

Okay I didn't know enough about this so I've just looked it up.

That's merely a defense though, it's still illegal. Two 16 year olds in Ireland who have sex are both guilty of defilement of a child. There is however a recommended exemption of prosecution for girls though. So if both 16 year olds are male, both may be prosecuted, if they are both female, neither may be prosecuted.

Granted that sentencing is reduced if the offender(s) are close in age, and likewise increased if there's a position of authority involved (e.g. teacher), but this doesn't change the legal definition.

Interestingly the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Child Protection in 2006 recommended changing the age of consent to 16, and 18 with a person in authority. At least this would make the age of consent consistent throughout the island of Ireland.

To quote the Oireachtas report

The minimum age for engaging in sexual activity has, however, been set
lower, at 17 years. Lower still, at 16 years, is the age for consenting to
medical procedures, leaving school, and the age at which one ceases to be
a child for the purposes of employment legislation. The age of criminal
responsibility is 12, although it is lower again, at 10 years, in the case of
certain offences, including certain sexual offences. It is not entirely clear
whether there is a coherent notion of maturity or development which justifies
the fixing of these different age brackets. What is clear, however, is that
Irish law takes a progressive or gradual approach to the issue of maturity and
adulthood. This makes intuitive sense. Rather than seeing the coming of
adulthood as a magical process that occurs overnight, the law sees it as
developing incrementally. That said, the existence of these different age
limits could be a source of practical difficulty.

The Committee sees the merit in such a re-examination. Although the
Committee makes recommendations below in relation to those age limits that
are of direct relevance to the Committee's orders of reference, a wide-ranging
review of these issues would go well beyond the Committee’s remit.

The Committee recommends that the different ages of maturity
and consent provided for in Irish law be reviewed, and kept under
continuing review, in order to ensure consistency and coherence,
and to ensure that sufficient recognition is given to the dawning
maturity of children at appropriate ages.

monty_python

No pictures of the teacher?

headnorth

Deleted User wrote:

I wonder why she can't be named/shown. Men usually don't get that luxury.

A couple of pics of her with face blurred out were on various news websites when she made her first appearances in court. Easy to trace the name from there.

Hal3000

There’s an online petition to get him out.

Anus Von Skidmark

Hal3000 wrote: »

There’s an online petition to get him out.

Martin Nolan's lenience towards violent offenders, and specifically sex offenders, is pretty staggering. I don't think he's fit to practice.

Is there a policy not to name or show pictures of sex offenders here? Because they had full page colour pics every day of Paddy Jackson on the Indo who wasn't even convicted?

darlett

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there a policy not to name or show pictures of sex offenders here? Because they had full page colour pics every day of Paddy Jackson on the Indo who wasn't even convicted?

That's because he is a man.




<runs and hides>

meeeeh

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there a policy not to name or show pictures of sex offenders here? Because they had full page colour pics every day of Paddy Jackson on the Indo who wasn't even convicted?

You do realise it's different jurisdiction? Seriously are some here intentionally not engaging their brain just so they can be perpetually offended.

yermandan

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/disgraced-teacher-lauren-cox-lets-8006566

Interesting parallel with the case above from the UK a few years ago. They have no issues with naming and shaming anyway, protection of the victim seems to not matter

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

I love the hysteria in this thread and I know men who walked for similar, I also know a man groomed and had sex with his niece for years(she was younger when it started) and he spent only 18 months in prison. This hysteria about what would happen if it was a man says more about some posters than offers any insight into sentencing.

That being said she broke the law.

I don't see much hysteria. I think the main crux of it, is people think that she got too light a sentence.

That's not hysterical. If it was a man who got that sentence, I would think he got too light a sentence.

meeeeh

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't see much hysteria. I think the main crux of it, is people think that she got too light a sentence.

That's not hysterical. If it was a man who got that sentence, I would think he got too light a sentence.

I always thought Irish laws are way too harsh around this. Especially for boys. Except Cyprus and Turkey every other European country has lower age of consent and I think the laws are more the legacy of catholic church influence and vilification of sexuality than actual desire to protect minors.

That being said what she did was incredibly stupid.

Justin Credible Darts

Disgraceful.
Feminists go on and on about equality, but silence from them when there is blatant inequality here.


If that was a man sleeping with a 16 year old he would be rightfully branded a paedo.
If he posted a video of himself naked which ended up on a porn site, he would be called a predator, etc.


So why is this witch any different ?
She is most certainly not the sexually naive girl they would have us believe.


Then what do you expect from a system that give suspended sentences to paedos, but will lock up a person for minor offenses.

RandomName2

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't see much hysteria. I think the main crux of it, is people think that she got too light a sentence.

That's not hysterical. If it was a man who got that sentence, I would think he got too light a sentence.

What do you think would be a correct sentence for her?

Her career is ruined, she has lost her job, is going to prison for a year, has a two year suspended sentence I think, and will be on the sex offenders list. Would an additional 4 years onto her sentence be more appropriate in your opinion?

If she were a 19 year old unqualified teacher assistant would you feel the same way?

Correct me if I'm wrong but if this was in Antrim or Fermanagh there wouldn't be a case to answer, would there? At most she would lose her job.

eviltwin

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Disgraceful.
Feminists go on and on about equality, but silence from them when there is blatant inequality here.


If that was a man sleeping with a 16 year old he would be rightfully branded a paedo.
If he posted a video of himself naked which ended up on a porn site, he would be called a predator, etc.


So why is this witch any different ?
She is most certainly not the sexually naive girl they would have us believe.


Then what do you expect from a system that give suspended sentences to paedos, but will lock up a person for minor offenses.

Let's not turn this into one of those arguments please, a child was raped here.

Most feminists I know, myself included, think the sentence is a joke and should have been a lot longer.

I'm away at the moment and straw poll is the men think he's a lucky kid getting it off with a teacher despite his age. All the women are disgusted she got a slap on the wrist.

JP Liz V1

Who can he sue, the teacher herself or Dept of Education?

siblers

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is there a policy not to name or show pictures of sex offenders here? Because they had full page colour pics every day of Paddy Jackson on the Indo who wasn't even convicted?

Paddy Jackson was in the North so liable laws didn't come into force. Had it taken place down south, it would have been illegal to name him in the media unless the victim waived her right to anonymity in order to name him.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Interestingly when I Google age of consent Ireland one of the first results that come up is this article saying that the age of consent for boys is going to be raised from 15 to 16.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sex-consent-age-to-drop-for-girls-and-gays-26412445.html

I remember when I was young the age of consent was 15 and I remember that article being published.

I understand the teacher making the mistake but isn't it bloody stupid of her to wait til he was 16 without checking 16 is the law.

Anyway if she serves a year I think it will probably be about right. A little light but not massively so.

Immortal Starlight

Im delighted she got a year in jail. I think she deserved it.

emeldc

eviltwin wrote: »

Let's not turn this into one of those arguments please, a child was raped here.

Most feminists I know, myself included, think the sentence is a joke and should have been a lot longer.

I'm away at the moment and straw poll is the men think he's a lucky kid getting it off with a teacher despite his age. All the women are disgusted she got a slap on the wrist.

Said child even went back the second time just to be sure!

Justin Credible Darts

emeldc wrote: »

Said child even went back the second time just to be sure!

somehow I suspect the mother rightfully was the one pushing for charges, instead of the kid.


The mother does not come out looking that good either considering the reports the kid was in nightclubs at 15, where was the mother worry when he was in clubs late at night ?

vriesmays

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Im delighted she got a year in jail. I think she deserved it.

Will her new boyfriend wait.

Immortal Starlight

vriesmays wrote: »

Will her new boyfriend wait.

Not unless hes as stupid as she is.

RandomName2

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Interestingly when I Google age of consent Ireland one of the first results that come up is this article saying that the age of consent for boys is going to be raised from 15 to 16.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sex-consent-age-to-drop-for-girls-and-gays-26412445.html

I remember when I was young the age of consent was 15 and I remember that article being published.

Really? It was my understanding that it has always been 17. The relevant laws are really hard to read because 1. it isn't, nor has it ever been, gender neutral and 2. for a long time most of the relevant laws came from a UK act from 1885. The Wikipedia article at least gives a concise summary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Ireland


Bits of the 1935 act seemed to get changed as certain things became politically incorrect. For example it makes specific reference to the crime of buggery, and to intercourse with 'idiots'.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I understand the teacher making the mistake but isn't it bloody stupid of her to wait til he was 16 without checking 16 is the law.

Maybe she read the law for the UK and assumed it was the same.