Martin Nolan give 1 year to guilty pedo.

meeeeh

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So who is the criminal in a hot 23 year old guy and a 16 year old girl? Please explain why it's evil one way and not the other.

Also, fixed your post

In my opinion there are no criminals in either case. That being said it's serious profesioanal misconduct and person like that shouldn't be a teacher.

I'm all for punishing sexual crimes and predatory behaviour. But this is not it. I know a few couples who are together for decades where husband could be sent to prison for similar offences.

howamidifferent

Seems at odds with letting this guy with 60000 images walk free on the same day???

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-irish-civil-servant-caught-12375534

howamidifferent

howamidifferent wrote: »

Seems at odds with letting this guy with 60000 images walk free on the same day???

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-irish-civil-servant-caught-12375534

Too bloody right.

Cyclingtourist

Deleted User wrote: »

Stupid case?

You think it is ok for a teacher to have sex with a child?

If they meet in a club and are both up for it yes.

muffler

Deleted User wrote: »

Grooming children is grooming children.

That would be the same children who pass as adults gaining entry into night clubs!

Peter Flynt

Teacher gets jail sentence
Senior Civil Servant gets a suspended sentence for a far more serious offence.
That's the way Ireland works - and Martin Nolan didn't get to the position he's in now without knowing the score.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

In my opinion there are no criminals in either case. That being said it's serious profesioanal misconduct and person like that shouldn't be a teacher.

I'm all for punishing sexual crimes and predatory behaviour. But this is not it. I know a few couples who are together for decades where husband could be sent to prison for similar offences.

She assumed the age of consent was 16.
She knew he was 15.
She gave him attention
She gave him gifts
She kept a 15 year old on the hook
She waited until she thought she could get away with it
She abused him on his 16th birthday

Now ignoring the vast stupidity of not using a random computer to search for the age of consent in Ireland.

She did everything she could to groom that boy into it. She acted like a predator.
No one beyond their teens has any right grooming a 15 year old

muffler

muffler wrote: »

That would be the same children who pass as adults gaining entry into night clubs!

She knew he was 15. Big difference.

Cyclingtourist

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

If they meet in a club and are both up for it yes.

He's a child and legally can not be "UP for it", especially a 15 year old boy

osarusan

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm all for punishing sexual crimes and predatory behaviour. But this is not it.

It is against the law in Ireland though, so it should be prosecuted. Her being an authority adds an extra layer to it too.

I don't have any problem with a prison sentence. I also don't have any problem with the law being reformed around the age of consent, especially for 'Romeo and Juliet' laws, which wouldn't apply here.

Also, the thread title is nonsense as this isn't an instance of paedophilia in any way.

Cyclingtourist

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

If they meet in a club and are both up for it yes.

Wow. So even if the child is 15 and had a fake ID, but the teacher who KNOWS that the child is 15 and still sends messages, buys presents and ****s them KNOWING they are underage, it's ok?

muffler

muffler wrote: »

That would be the same children who pass as adults gaining entry into night clubs!

I would have more sympathy for someone who randomly met the child in a nightclub and didn't know his age. This was his teacher. She knew his age. Huge difference.

osarusan

osarusan wrote: »

Also, the thread title is nonsense as this isn't an instance of paedophilia in any way.

It's the social use of the term. Agree it could say "underage pupil" but socially we view predators, such as this lady, as such

meeeeh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

She assumed the age of consent was 16.
She knew he was 15.
She gave him attention
She gave him gifts
She kept a 15 year old on the hook
She waited until she thought she could get away with it
She abused him on his 16th birthday

Now ignoring the vast stupidity of not using a random computer to search for the age of consent in Ireland.

She did everything she could to groom that boy into it. She acted like a predator.
No one beyond their teens has any right grooming a 15 year old

Well actually considering you are stickler for what Irish law states (and are dismissing anything other countries di) boys in their teens don't have it either. Are they predators too?

You are blowing this out of all proportion because it suits your agenda.

marieholmfan

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I hope you realise what a disgusting comment that is.

Grooming children is grooming children.

Should any adult teacher who ****s an underage child be described as "giving the best present ever"?

If you think that is true, I hope you don't have children.

This isn't some disgusting old man molesting a schoolgirl; this is a hot 25 year old initiating a young man into the joys of venus.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I would have more sympathy for someone who randomly met the child in a nightclub and didn't know his age. This was his teacher. She knew his age. Huge difference.

More so if that person were say 19 and not well into 20s and a teacher of teens.

marieholmfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Stupid case?

You think it is ok for a teacher to have sex with a child?

If it is a seventeen year old boy and a 25 year old woman of course.


He's lucky!

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

Well actually considering you are stickler for what Irish law states (and are dismissing anything other countries di) boys in their teens don't have it either. Are they predators too?

You are blowing this out of all proportion because it suits your agenda.

What is the agenda here?

The only agenda I see is that teachers shouldn't be allowed **** children and they should be punished accordingly.

The Romeo and Juliet situations are very different.

Stickler for Irish law? Sure, you could point at other countries laws but they don't apply here.

RandomName2

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We are in Ireland, only the 2nd line in your comment is anyway relevant.

We are indeed, the country with one of the highest ages of consent in the west, and highest number of child sex abuse cases per capita, both of which were largely caused by the country's long, blind, infatuation with the Catholic Church.

Sorry for answering a rhetorical question.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

Well actually considering you are stickler for what Irish law states (and are dismissing anything other countries di) boys in their teens don't have it either. Are they predators too?

You are blowing this out of all proportion because it suits your agenda.

I've already stated that I believe that the law should be amended to include an age band for teens. Particularly to protect teen couples where one passes the age of consent and the other had not.

Large leap from that to condoning 20-something adults grooming a 15 year old

RandomName2

marieholmfan wrote: »

This isn't some disgusting old man molesting a schoolgirl; this is a hot 25 year old initiating a young man into the joys of venus.

Actually she was 23 I think at the time, not that it would have mattered if she were 18, the law is the law. Ironically if she were 16 I think that he would then become the guilty party, but according to the people on this thread, the law in relation to consent in this country is completely rational.

Deleted User wrote: »

I've already stated that I believe that the law should be amended to include an age band for teens. Particularly to protect teen couples where one passes the age of consent and the other had not.

Do you include adult teens in that?

Deleted User wrote: »

Large leap from that to condoning 20-something adults grooming a 15 year old

What about condoning a 60-something year old grooming a 20-something year old kid?

As far as I'm concerned the only real ethical issue here is that she was his teacher, but this isn't actually the thing that made it illegal, it was merely an aggravating factor.

As the Oireachtas report said, having a magical idea that children overnight turn into adults is ridiculous, and that we give 16 year olds large number of rights in relation to education, employment, driving, etc. but we do not give them the right to consent to sex, which for once makes Northern Ireland more progressive than the rest of the island.

FAILSAFE 00

Listening to the victims impact statement. A long list of crippling anxiety and migraines. It all sounded a bit manufactured.

Is this the parents angling for major compensation.

FAILSAFE 00

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Listening to the victims impact statement. A long list of crippling anxiety and migraines. It all sounded a bit manufactured.

Is this the parents angling for major compensation.

Again, have you posted similar (or think similar) in cases where the genders are swapped?

spurshero

I don’t know . If u asked me which I would rather get jail a person with 6000 child porn images or a 23 year old that slept with a 16 year old child!!!! That goes to nightclubs it would be the child porn person every time . And I think 99 out of a 100 would be the same . Listen she was 100 percent wrong but the loss of her career and life turned upside down was enough . Don’t think she deserved jail . I think she was naive more then anything .

meeeeh

osarusan wrote: »

It is against the law in Ireland though, so it should be prosecuted. Her being an authority adds an extra layer to it too.

I don't have any problem with a prison sentence. I also don't have any problem with the law being reformed around the age of consent, especially for 'Romeo and Juliet' laws, which wouldn't apply here.

Also, the thread title is nonsense as this isn't an instance of paedophilia in any way.

I agree with that. She is person if authority and I don't feel sorry for her but I do find laws in Ireland around this way too draconian. Especially when parents of girl who gets pregnant can almost destroy her peers life for doing what kids do. Around 20 percent of Irish girls had sex by 15. That means there are an awful lot of boys around who could be prosecuted for being a bit horny as teenagers are.

Peter Flynt

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I've already stated that I believe that the law should be amended to include an age band for teens. Particularly to protect teen couples where one passes the age of consent and the other had not.

Large leap from that to condoning 20-something adults grooming a 15 year old

Age bands don't really work. You have an age of consent and leave it at that.

Some countries do have higher ages of consent for those working with young persons (like teachers).

A teacher in Ireland would probably lose their registration and would not be able to teach again even if all was legally above board and say the ex-student was in their 20s for example.

RandomName2

RandomName2 wrote: »

Actually she was 23 I think at the time, not that it would have mattered if she were 18, the law is the law. Ironically if she were 16 I think that he would then become the guilty party, but according to the people on this thread, the law in relation to consent in this country is completely rational.

Now look who is making stuff up

Several people have (again) questioned the definition of rape
Several people have stated that there should be Romeo and Juliette laws (or similar)

Several people are stating that a 23 year old woman grooming a 15 year old pupil is sick (and just as bad as gender reversal scenario).

Cyclingtourist

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Wow. So even if the child is 15 and had a fake ID, but the teacher who KNOWS that the child is 15 and still sends messages, buys presents and ****s them KNOWING they are underage, it's ok?

If it's OK for Brigitte Trogneux who was 39 when she met Emanuel Macron when he was 15 and taking part in a school play she was directing then it's OK by me.

Wow! to you too.

Peter Flynt

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Age bands don't really work. You have an age of consent and leave it at that.

Some countries do have higher ages of consent for those working with young persons (like teachers).

A teacher in Ireland would probably lose their registration and would not be able to teach again even if all was legally above board and say the ex-student was in their 20s for example.

They do work, particularly to protect teens crossing that threshold, while their BF/GF are still under.
They are no different to a set age of consent. You can not be outside the age banding

Peter Flynt

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Listening to the victims impact statement. A long list of crippling anxiety and migraines. It all sounded a bit manufactured.

Is this the parents angling for major compensation.

Maybe the crippling anxiety and migraines come from the 15 year old drinking alcohol in a nightclub (which was probably over 21s).

Perhaps the parents should be prosecuted for child abuse?