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Rugby World Cup Final 2019 Eng vs S Africa

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    #662
    FrancieBrady
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    As soon as England took out NZ South Africa knew the door was open to them. They'd much rather play England than NZ, despite all the hype. Their eyes must have lit up.

    They have a good record against England.

    26-15. Won 14 out of the last 18.

    4-1 in World Cups too.

    By contrast they are 25-25 against Australia.

    They'd have beaten all comers today with a gameplan like that.

    England simply couldn't come up with an answer and neither would NZ.


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    #663
    Naggdefy
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    SA most successful WC team 3/7. NZ 3/9.

    That's a serious stat.


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    #664
    SharpshooterTom
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    How brilliant was South Africa's defence in that 15+ odd phase by England in the first half. Tuilagi and Vunipola battering them on the line and they somehow held out and restricted them to 3. England would've taken the lead otherwise.

    Think that was the moment the game won looking back on it now. Sums up South Africa today.


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    #665
    JoeyDoh
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    Did Frans Steyn get on?


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    #666
    joeguevara
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    hqdefault.jpg

    England in the final.


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    #667
    Naggdefy
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    Also SA never lost a final.


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    #668
    awec
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Really the SA game plan is not unlike our own at best.

    Just they are usually a more physical side than us and when you have a history behind you like theirs it helps!

    As you say, SA game plan is not unlike Ireland's at all, but they have a pack capable of doing it at the very highest levels and we do not.

    Even Ireland at their peak last year would not be able to dominate like SA did today. England were minced.


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    #669
    Stheno
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    JoeyDoh wrote: »
    Did Frans Steyn get on?

    Towards the end


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    #670
    Dog Murphy
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    Exclamation Marc wrote: »
    In fairness, Aki rolled right back and said he liked it without reading it.

    Vunipola doubled down. Whether you buy or accept the excuse, it was still worldly different.

    And if you believe that's true then you'll believe anything.


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    #671
    Former Former
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    We will never have the sheer bulk of player nor the depth of squad to do what South Africa can. Their template is utterly useless to us.


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    #672
    Always Tired
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    Epic choke job, plain and simple. England looked nervy from the very start and played right into SA's style of play. Couldn't handle the pressure.

    To beat the All Blacks and then fail to even score a try in the final is just ridiculous. Every other head coach in the final 4 teams is leaving, I don't see how England's can stay on after that showing, it was pathetic.


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    #673
    Exclamation Marc
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    Dog Murphy wrote: »
    And if you believe that's true then you'll believe anything.

    I don't. As I said in my post, buying or believing it is another thing but at least he didn't go all in on what he said and just keep reiterating himself.


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    #674
    Naggdefy
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    awec wrote: »
    As you say, SA game plan is not unlike Ireland's at all, but they have a pack capable of doing it at the very highest levels and we do not.

    Even Ireland at their peak last year would not be able to dominate like SA did today. England were minced.

    No we've won the scrum battle but never would we get 5 or so penalties off it.

    The genetics are in SA favour. They love playing England too, bit of a history since a certain war 1898-1901.


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    #675
    Cork Boy 53
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Also SA never lost a final.

    They have not conceded a try in a WC final either.


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    #676
    SharpshooterTom
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    Always Tired wrote: »
    Epic choke job, plain and simple. England looked nervy from the very start and played right into SA's style of play. Couldn't handle the pressure.

    To beat the All Blacks and then fail to even score a try in the final is just ridiculous. Every other head coach in the final 4 teams is leaving, I don't see how England's can stay on after that showing, it was pathetic.

    Couldn't live with the favourites tag after beating New Zealand. They were perfect against the all blacks, most complete performance you can get and it was only going in one direction after and that was down.

    Amazing to think the Boks could have easily lost the semi against Wales, really was a coin toss heading into the last 10 minutes, thankfully the right team got to the final otherwise there wouldn't have been a contest.


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    #677
    awec
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    Former Former wrote: »
    We will never have the sheer bulk of player nor the depth of squad to do what South Africa can. Their template is utterly useless to us.

    We've used their template, it worked for us to a point, but as you say we don't have the players to deliver it to the same level as they do.


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    #678
    Naggdefy
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    Former Former wrote: »
    We will never have the sheer bulk of player nor the depth of squad to do what South Africa can. Their template is utterly useless to us.

    Well that's been the thing for years, not SA's power, New Zealand's precision, pace and skill. Once in a generation we get a pack that can compete with the best. We were all hoping this time we had, Furlong, Healy, Leavy, a last WC out of SOB 2019, Henderson get consistency.

    As you say maybe we'll never have a pack at that SA level. Still England were 920 kgs to their 900. I know weight isn't power, technique.


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    #679
    Naggdefy
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    We couldn't handle the mantle of top dog after Nov 2018. Heavy is the head that wears the crown and all that.

    Underdogs is a great position in sport, life.


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    #680
    SharpshooterTom
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    England went to number 1 in the world prior to the match didn't they?

    Kiss of death for Wales Ireland and England.


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    #681
    CrabRevolution
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    SA most successful WC team 3/7. NZ 3/9.

    That's a serious stat.


    That's like saying Greece are the most successful team in the European Championship because they've won 1 in 4 tournaments they've qualified for.


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    #682
    nacho libre
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    We couldn't handle the mantle of top dog after Nov 2018. Heavy is the head that wears the crown and all that.

    Underdogs is a great position in sport, life.

    To be honest i think those results were misleading/meaningless as we were beating teams in transition for the World Cup. As, aside from Leavy, we just don't have the players to gain parity in the physical exchanges up front.

    The truth is we can't beat the top teams at their best.

    We hear different excuses offered each World Cup as to why we fall short, but that is the reality of the situation.


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    #683
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    Naggdefy wrote: »
    SA most successful WC team 3/7. NZ 3/9.

    That's a serious stat.

    How come they didn't play in two of them?

    Just googled, their support of apartheid


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    #684
    PTH2009
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    Congrats to South Africa

    Didnt expect them to win that well and to think we were hoping to play them ha


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    #685
    KWAG2019
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    awec wrote: »
    As you say, SA game plan is not unlike Ireland's at all, but they have a pack capable of doing it at the very highest levels and we do not.

    Even Ireland at their peak last year would not be able to dominate like SA did today. England were minced.

    Thread. And a few more besides.


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    #686
    joeguevara
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How come they didn't play in two of them?

    Banned from international in 87 and 91 for apartheid


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    #687
    TheCitizen
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    Utah_Saint wrote: »
    I feel disappointed for England...they've clearly been the best team in 2019. SA only decided to play rugby in this final

    :pac:


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    #688
    nacho libre
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How come they didn't play in two of them?

    Apartheid


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    #689
    Naggdefy
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    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    That's like saying Greece are the most successful team in the European Championship because they've won 1 in 4 tournaments they've qualified for.

    Not even close. Ridiculous comparison. SA would have 'qualified' for the first 2 without Apartheid. Who's to say they would have won at least another out of those 2.


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    #690
    TheCitizen
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    To be honest i think those results were misleading/meaningless as we were beating teams in transition for the World Cup. As, aside from Leavy, we just don't have the players to gain parity in the physical exchanges up front.

    The truth is we can't beat the top teams at their best.

    We hear different excuses offered each World Cup as to why we fall short, but that is the reality of the situation.

    I think that' a bit unfair. Our team peaked in 2018. We don't have the resources to maintain that level for long periods. The timing didn't work in our favour but we were very impressive with that Grand Slam in 2018 and the wins over Australia and New Zealand. We beat south Africa 19 points to 3 in Lansdowne road in November 2017.


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    #691
    MadYaker
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    Soth Africa were misfiring a bit back in 2017 though, Rassie has whipped them into shape.


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