Taxing 18 ton truck privately. Possible?

pryantcc

Hi,
I've had a search around and could only find previous threads on this that were either very old, or dealt with vans/pickups.
I have an 18Ton rigid truck. I only use it about once a month to attend motorsport events. It is never used for hire or reward and never carries goods.
I can't find any information on any of the government/motor tax office websites about this situation. Has anyone got a proper, big truck taxed privately?
Thanks.

Isambard

Showman's cover a possibility?

colm_mcm

It’s a category N3 vehicle, you can’t tax it privately.

Odelay

Isambard wrote: »

Showman's cover a possibility?

What’s showman’s cover?

GM228

Isambard wrote: »

Showman's cover a possibility?

In Ireland? That's a UK special tax category.

Odelay wrote: »

What’s showman’s cover?

Special tax for vehicles over 3.5 ton with adaptations for travelling shows/circus.

Circus/show vehicles here use machine/workshop/contrivance tax rates.

mgbgt1978

Stating the obvious I know OP, but can you not ask around at the next event ?
Or put up a post on the F/B page of whichever discipline you are competing in....
I appreciate a lot of people using Trucks in motorsport either have a commercial business or are often involved in the Motor Trade. I'm down at the Transporter-Towing level so cannot offer any avenues to go down.:)

galwaytt

pryantcc wrote: »

Hi,
I've had a search around and could only find previous threads on this that were either very old, or dealt with vans/pickups.
I have an 18Ton rigid truck. I only use it about once a month to attend motorsport events. It is never used for hire or reward and never carries goods.
I can't find any information on any of the government/motor tax office websites about this situation. Has anyone got a proper, big truck taxed privately?
Thanks.

Ask what the equestrian guys do: lots of privately owned horse boxes about, albeit 18t is a bit OTT.

Would you consider changing down to a 7.5t - for your purposes should still be more than sufficient, and half the tax (ish). Even a 12t would be €500 instead of the €900 of the 18t.

blackbird99

Some convert them to campers. once inspected and taxed as a camper they convert it to a horsebox. I think it's about 110 a year

pryantcc

Thanks for all the responses everyone.
Most people at the events have 4x4/van and trailer setup. The truck is the business because there's room inside, out of the weather to work on the machine and we can sleep in the cab.
Long term plan (provided the private tax idea comes to the dead-end I expect it to be) is to convert it to a camper (lots of time, money and effort), get it registered as a camper and then undo half the conversion so that there's space again for a workshop and carrying the racer. The problem being that in order for the engineer fella to agree to convert it to camper, all of the space has to be for living in!
I think this has changed recently for the horse people. Their trucks usually have about 6 or 8 foot of accommodation at the front and horse piss/sh1t in the rest of it. It seems to me that until recently they have gotten away with camper status, but for newer yokes, there has been a clamp down and now they are in the same boat as me.

ianobrien

What about a mobile machine workshop? That's only €333 per year. As it's for service at a Motorsport event, you'll have workbench, tools, parts, compressor etc in the back of the unit, won't you?

I'd investigate that option also

jimgoose

colm_mcm wrote: »

It’s a category N3 vehicle, you can’t tax it privately.

Why not? That's outrageous, there are several legitimate private uses for large wagons like that.

Isambard

pryantcc wrote: »

Thanks for all the responses everyone.
Most people at the events have 4x4/van and trailer setup. The truck is the business because there's room inside, out of the weather to work on the machine and we can sleep in the cab.
Long term plan (provided the private tax idea comes to the dead-end I expect it to be) is to convert it to a camper (lots of time, money and effort), get it registered as a camper and then undo half the conversion so that there's space again for a workshop and carrying the racer. The problem being that in order for the engineer fella to agree to convert it to camper, all of the space has to be for living in!
I think this has changed recently for the horse people. Their trucks usually have about 6 or 8 foot of accommodation at the front and horse piss/sh1t in the rest of it. It seems to me that until recently they have gotten away with camper status, but for newer yokes, there has been a clamp down and now they are in the same boat as me.

If it's a business you'd be able to tax it commercially surely.

pryantcc

Isambard wrote: »

If it's a business you'd be able to tax it commercially surely.

It's not a business, that's the thing! I'm having the craic a few weekends a year. I'm just trying to keep the costs down and would prefer not to pay the same tax as someone who's hammering our roads for 1000km per day.

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pryantcc wrote: »

It's not a business, that's the thing! I'm having the craic a few weekends a year. I'm just trying to keep the costs down and would prefer not to pay the same tax as someone who's hammering our roads for 1000km per day.

Commercial tax for vehicles over 12,000 Kg is only €900, so surely that would be much cheaper than any displacement/CO2 based tax rate?

CiniO

pryantcc wrote: »

It's not a business, that's the thing! I'm having the craic a few weekends a year. I'm just trying to keep the costs down and would prefer not to pay the same tax as someone who's hammering our roads for 1000km per day.

The only think which you probably didn't consider is that HGV commercial tax rates currently are way lower than what you'd pay in private tax on a lorry based on engine size.
Annual tax on 18 tonne truck is 900 per annum if i'm not mistaken.
So unless your truck has an engine below 2000ccm, then you'd rather prefer to pay commercial tax on it.

hi5

Fill out the change of particulars form, in the box marked 'other' put 'private'.
Bring it into the tax office, presuming it's over 3 litres you will pay €1809 instead of €900.
You will still need to CVRT it every year and need the correct driving licence for its weight.

mayota

€500 will tax that truck commercially.

mayota

How much are you paying currently OP ?

colm_mcm

jimgoose wrote: »

Why not? That's outrageous, there are several legitimate private uses for large wagons like that.

Yeah but the question is whether it can be taxed as a passenger vehicle essentially. It’s a truck and truck tax isn’t expensive.

CJhaughey

I see another problem with the camper insurance, there are only three companies doing camper insurance here and I could almost guarantee that they have a max weight of 9t or something very close to that.
I'd be checking insurance before getting it registered as a camper or getting an SQI to look over it.
Stuff like this is hard to do here, in some other EU countries its not a problem. DE and AT registered truck campers are common but this country has a fairly rigid set of pigeonholes into which you must fit.

jimgoose

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yeah but the question is whether it can be taxed as a passenger vehicle essentially. It’s a truck and truck tax isn’t expensive.

Oh I see what you mean. Yes, of course.

bigroad

What weight is it unladen.

Vittu

pryantcc wrote: »

It's not a business, that's the thing! I'm having the craic a few weekends a year. I'm just trying to keep the costs down and would prefer not to pay the same tax as someone who's hammering our roads for 1000km per day.

That's your problem right there - having the craic with a vehicle. Not in this country you don't unless you pay big time..

Vittu

Vittu wrote: »

That's your problem right there - having the craic with a vehicle. Not in this country you don't unless you pay big time..

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Vittu

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