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Eir rural FTTH thread III

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭alec76


    NSAman wrote: »
    Ok the line to next door, comes directly in front of the house from next door. It literally crosses my property. the pole itself is less and 30 meters from the house. the pole has one of those Black boxes on it.

    So you were waiting since August and all you need is to do ducting from that poll to your house ? Why wouldn’t you pay someone to do ducting ? It is your property ,not public.
    Couldn’t you just go with overhead install without ducting altogether ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    alec76 wrote: »
    So you were waiting since August and all you need is to do ducting from that poll to your house ? Why wouldn’t you pay someone to do ducting ? It is your property ,not public.
    Couldn’t you just go with overhead install without ducting altogether ?

    I think it's because they did not explain exactly where the ducting needed to run from.
    The KN guys should have explained this as you can't expect people to know exactly how the install is performed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    NSAman wrote: »
    Have a question. How long should I have to wait to get Openeir to solve a “ducting issue”

    Ordered last August, pushed to November, then December, then january, then March, now august of this year.

    houses on both sides have FTTH and I am wondering if this is unusual?

    Anywhere from 1 month to 18 months. Some providers will try to push them and may get it solved quicker, but the final culprit is OpenEIR and how they interact with the County Councils on getting licenses. It's a nightmare for the wholesale providers that use OpenEIR .. at best. Nevermind the customers.

    /M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    NSAman wrote: »
    Ok the line to next door, comes directly in front of the house from next door. It literally crosses my property. the pole itself is less and 30 meters from the house. the pole has one of those Black boxes on it.

    So is the pole on a neighbouring property or on yours? My cable comes from the DP opposite my driveway, down along the road passing most of my frontage to another pole, then it spans the road and a corner of a field to a pole on the side boundary of my property, about 12m from my house, it then runs down the pole and into ducting I dug and laid and then to the house. it must be a 40-50m span across the road and field between the poles.

    If the pole with DP is on a neighbouring property, I wonder why they couldn't just go Aerial straight to your house, unless their is a height or tree issue.

    Might be an idea to ask a different provider to get you connected. I'm having difficulty grasping how there is any issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭babi-hrse


    If there's overhead parallel power lines crossing it'd have to be in a duct otherwise could be a height restriction on public roadway or neighbours or no suitable anchor point on the house eg externally insulated otherwise shouldn't be an issue.


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  • Company Representative Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Airwire: MartinL


    We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

    It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I dunno if this has been mentioned before but:

    Eir is reducing the rate it charges other operators by €5 per month for its fastest fibre broadband. Hopefully the customer will notice a decrease in price across all packages by the summer. The price cuts are scheduled for July 1.

    Eir is also reducing the 'wholesale' charge to rival retailers to connect customers up to its lines, bringing the cost down from €170 to €100.

    The price cuts will see Eir's wholesale charge fall by €5 per month on its 300Mbs and 500Mbs services, putting them in the same monthly wholesale price bracket (€23.50 excluding Vat) as Eir's 150Mbs wholesale service, whose price is unchanged.

    Eir's top-tier 1Gbps service is also reduced by €5 from €33.50 to €28.50 (excluding Vat).

    Looks like Eir wants to phase out it's 150 offering as that will be the only plan without any price decrease.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/broadband-prices-for-homes-and-businesses-to-fall-as-eir-cuts-charges-39147623.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭dam099


    Gonzo wrote: »

    Looks like Eir wants to phase out it's 150 offering as that will be the only plan without any price decrease.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/broadband-prices-for-homes-and-businesses-to-fall-as-eir-cuts-charges-39147623.html

    Yea its announced as a price decrease but for many customers this might just end up being a speed bump with no increase (like Virgin have been doing for years).

    Still a decrease on 1Gb I suppose and the installation charge reduction is welcome.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 north_cork


    Hi. I'm in North Cork and our village was included in Eir's rural FTTH rollout. Works putting fibre on poles, DPs, putting in cabs (exchange previously not broadband-enabled) etc. started in March last year and progressed in dribs and drabs into January of this year. Our house - and all the houses in our estate were on the, "Blue lines".

    On April 1st (aha) the area was *finally* passed for fibre. Needless to say, we all piled on to order; the fixed wireless and LTE operators currently servicing the area are buckling under the weight of the extra traffic. When those of us in the estate checked the Eir website and placed our order, we were told we could get broadband of up to ~100mbps as we were FTTC rather than full fat fibre. Beggars can't be choosers so grand.

    What follows is a catalogue of confusion and levels of left/right hand communication best associated with a foggy night in a cave. Several of us were booked in for a visit from KN on the same day to get us sorted. The day before, some of us received calls from Eir cancelling our orders and informing us we couldn't receive the product, just as others were getting calls from KN to confirm visits (seriously - two of us were on calls simultaneously!).

    Everyone waited to see how I'd get on as I was the first on the list to be visited. The KN lad called and immediately could tell something wasn't right. After a quick trip up to the cab, his basic story is that the necessary equipment at the exchange to allow the legacy copper system to, "talk" to the new fibre one was not in place and therefore we were goosed until that was sorted. His impression was that this would not happen in a timescale measured by days or weeks...

    Meanwhile, my neighbours started getting calls telling them that they *could* in fact order, even after they told Eir's CS people what had transpired with me. Yet more KN visits were arranged; all ended in failure. Needless to say, I got in touch with Eir to see if they could tell me what was going on. They could not (despite being able to see the engineer's report), beyond passing my report up the line to OpenEir. I also received a call cancelling my order and this chap swore up and down it was FTTH we would be getting, not FTTC but that it would be about two months. That's more or less where things stand now. Half the village (those running off the poles, mostly) is tripping the light fantastic with fibre while the other half (mostly ducted, early-mid 00s estates) are still waiting.

    I guess my question is, do any of you knowledgeable folks have any experience with this sort of caffling or any sort of idea what might be going on here? Thanks in advance.

    TL:DR - Area passed for fibre. Based on visits from KN, half the area can't get even FTTC due to (according to KN) missing kit at the cabinet/exchange, despite passing line checks. Much confusion as to even *what* we are getting and no real sense of when.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭A+-Guru


    after a very long time of having slow internet +15 years, FTTH went live last june to my house. I waited 10 months to get the FTTH installed after some problems with the underground ducting, I am now LIVE and boy does it feel good, the speed is blistering fast, everything is instant more less.

    ftth.png

    to those who are still waiting for their Fibre, hang in there, you will get it eventually.

    if you are waiting for work to be completed on the road, eg ducting etc, do what i did and contact your local TD ask them to raise the query with there dedicated EIR contact through the Dail, contact the broadband planning and licence body of local county council to check if the licence has been granted to enable EIR to do the road works, I believe this is what led me to get my connection finally installed after the due date for completion kept getting put on the back burner nearly 4 times with months in between.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭babi-hrse


    north_cork wrote: »
    Hi. I'm in North Cork and our village was included in Eir's rural FTTH rollout. Works putting fibre on poles, DPs, putting in cabs (exchange previously not broadband-enabled) etc. started in March last year and progressed in dribs and drabs into January of this year. Our house - and all the houses in our estate were on the, "Blue lines".

    On April 1st (aha) the area was *finally* passed for fibre. Needless to say, we all piled on to order; the fixed wireless and LTE operators currently servicing the area are buckling under the weight of the extra traffic. When those of us in the estate checked the Eir website and placed our order, we were told we could get broadband of up to ~100mbps as we were FTTC rather than full fat fibre. Beggars can't be choosers so grand.

    What follows is a catalogue of confusion and levels of left/right hand communication best associated with a foggy night in a cave. Several of us were booked in for a visit from KN on the same day to get us sorted. The day before, some of us received calls from Eir cancelling our orders and informing us we couldn't receive the product, just as others were getting calls from KN to confirm visits (seriously - two of us were on calls simultaneously!).

    Everyone waited to see how I'd get on as I was the first on the list to be visited. The KN lad called and immediately could tell something wasn't right. After a quick trip up to the cab, his basic story is that the necessary equipment at the exchange to allow the legacy copper system to, "talk" to the new fibre one was not in place and therefore we were goosed until that was sorted. His impression was that this would not happen in a timescale measured by days or weeks...

    Meanwhile, my neighbours started getting calls telling them that they *could* in fact order, even after they told Eir's CS people what had transpired with me. Yet more KN visits were arranged; all ended in failure. Needless to say, I got in touch with Eir to see if they could tell me what was going on. They could not (despite being able to see the engineer's report), beyond passing my report up the line to OpenEir. I also received a call cancelling my order and this chap swore up and down it was FTTH we would be getting, not FTTC but that it would be about two months. That's more or less where things stand now. Half the village (those running off the poles, mostly) is tripping the light fantastic with fibre while the other half (mostly ducted, early-mid 00s estates) are still waiting.

    I guess my question is, do any of you knowledgeable folks have any experience with this sort of caffling or any sort of idea what might be going on here? Thanks in advance.

    TL:DR - Area passed for fibre. Based on visits from KN, half the area can't get even FTTC due to (according to KN) missing kit at the cabinet/exchange, despite passing line checks. Much confusion as to even *what* we are getting and no real sense of when.

    Sounds like the DSLAM hasn't been installed or there's no links at exchange to bring traffic to it.
    Orders being cancelled by provider rather than being rescheduled or on hold means any notes the tech sent back will get binned in effect it won't record that he even showed up checked found an issue and reported on it.
    I've showed up to jobs and been told I'm the 3rd person out to them when the job note shows nobody else has ever been at it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 north_cork


    babi-hrse wrote: »
    Sounds like the DSLAM hasn't been installed or there's no links at exchange to bring traffic to it.
    Orders being cancelled by provider rather than being rescheduled or on hold means any notes the tech sent back will get binned in effect it won't record that he even showed up checked found an issue and reported on it.
    I've showed up to jobs and been told I'm the 3rd person out to them when the job note shows nobody else has ever been at it.

    Hi babi-hrse

    Thank you for your response. Your point about engineer's reports getting canned sounds very familiar...

    Any even notional idea of what sort of delay we are looking at here or is it best measured in pieces of string?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Eir was supposed to introduce a 500mbps profile today and so far nothing, still on 300. No signs of a 500 plan on their website either. Just wondering was their plan to roll this out today stopped due to the current crisis?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭medoc


    Gonzo wrote: »
    Eir was supposed to introduce a 500mbps profile today and so far nothing, still on 300. No signs of a 500 plan on their website either. Just wondering was their plan to roll this out today stopped due to the current crisis?


    Digiweb have the 500 on their page now. I’m on the 300mb with Digiweb at the moment. I wonder is it an automatic upgrade or would I need to Re contract.

    https://digiweb.ie/ultrafast-ftth-broadband/


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    medoc wrote: »
    Digiweb have the 500 on their page now. I’m on the 300mb with Digiweb at the moment. I wonder is it an automatic upgrade or would I need to Re contract.

    https://digiweb.ie/ultrafast-ftth-broadband/

    I'd imagine anyone on the 300 plan will have to ring up and request an upgrade to 500, even Eir customers.

    Eir still have no mention of the 500 plan anywhere on their website, the 300 plan has not been on their website since last year. Vodafone and Airwire still listing the 300 plans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭limnam


    You sound in a mad panic for the other 200mb are you struggling? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    medoc wrote: »
    Digiweb have the 500 on their page now. I’m on the 300mb with Digiweb at the moment. I wonder is it an automatic upgrade or would I need to Re contract.

    https://digiweb.ie/ultrafast-ftth-broadband/

    I'm in the same boat but was waiting on someone to do it first... ! :D

    Working from home so can't be without the internet.....

    EDIT: Spoke with them on chat - They said "We will plan to upgrade customers to 500Mbps profile very soon".
    So sounds like it'll be automatic at some point. Probably requires a plan to be put together and then a phased profile upgrade rollout - however long that takes. Nice to have though :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭limktime


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I dunno if this has been mentioned before but:

    Eir is reducing the rate it charges other operators by €5 per month for its fastest fibre broadband. Hopefully the customer will notice a decrease in price across all packages by the summer. The price cuts are scheduled for July 1.

    Eir is also reducing the 'wholesale' charge to rival retailers to connect customers up to its lines, bringing the cost down from €170 to €100.

    The price cuts will see Eir's wholesale charge fall by €5 per month on its 300Mbs and 500Mbs services, putting them in the same monthly wholesale price bracket (€23.50 excluding Vat) as Eir's 150Mbs wholesale service, whose price is unchanged.

    Eir's top-tier 1Gbps service is also reduced by €5 from €33.50 to €28.50 (excluding Vat).

    Looks like Eir wants to phase out it's 150 offering as that will be the only plan without any price decrease.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/broadband-prices-for-homes-and-businesses-to-fall-as-eir-cuts-charges-39147623.html

    I recently signed up to 150Mbs. Reading this, am I right in thinking that I'll be bumped to 500Mbs at some point?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    limktime wrote: »
    I recently signed up to 150Mbs. Reading this, am I right in thinking that I'll be bumped to 500Mbs at some point?

    no the 150 will stay as 150. No changes to upload speeds of any of the plans.

    The 1000 plan remains the same too.

    It's only the legacy 300 plan where we might get upgraded to 500 by default or to ring up and request it.

    Sadly I think this has been a missed opportunity to boost the upload speeds of all 3 plans to more closely match Siro's upload speeds but this didn't happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 946 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    I just decided to try my luck on the eir chat today. All of my neighbours have FTTH but I'm that little bit too far away from the road to be part of the 300,000 and am technically part of NBP. I've tried all the different channels over the last year or two. Airwire, different networks, fibrepower@openeir.ie (now deactivated), the lot. I gave the eir live chat a go today while I was waiting for a download. I gave the agent my address and they replied back with my neighbours (who can get it) eircode. I corrected them telling them my eircode (same address) and they put that in and said there is a slot is available. I tried with another agent to see what they said later and nothing came up for them.

    While I know my neighbour is the only one on the closest DP to me and there are slots available, that DP is nearly 300m from my house as the poles go. There is a perfect pole network between me and that DP though (5 poles and a bit of ducting in the road), but still, nearly 300m? Did the chat rep make a mistake?

    The order went through and I'm signed up for 150Mb. Has anyone had experience with this? What are my chances? Now that the order is gone through do they definitely have to supply me one way or the other? I also gave them my UAN and phone number to change that over from my current supplier but the UAN doesn't come up on the eir account that's currently being set up. Could I be in luck? Or will an engineer take one look at the place and tell me there's no chance?


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  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Gonzo wrote: »
    Sadly I think this has been a missed opportunity to boost the upload speeds of all 3 plans to more closely match Siro's upload speeds but this didn't happen.

    Pretty sure SIRO's upload speeds are reducing from July, so it's going the other way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭medoc


    limnam wrote: »
    You sound in a mad panic for the other 200mb are you struggling? :)


    Haha I came from having 6.1mb to 300

    MBSnr wrote: »
    I'm in the same boat but was waiting on someone to do it first... ! :D

    Working from home so can't be without the internet.....

    EDIT: Spoke with them on chat - They said "We will plan to upgrade customers to 500Mbps profile very soon".
    So sounds like it'll be automatic at some point. Probably requires a plan to be put together and then a phased profile upgrade rollout - however long that takes. Nice to have though :)

    I sent them an email earlier. No reply yet. No rush on the upgrade. I don’t really need it but if it’s there and the same price as the 300 sure why not. Though I won’t be signing another 12 month contract for it.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Pretty sure SIRO's upload speeds are reducing from July, so it's going the other way.

    really? Why would they reduce the upload speeds?

    Most customers probably don't use the upload much either unless they are running a business or into streaming video, so I can't imagine uploading is a strain on the network.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Gonzo wrote: »
    really? Why would they reduce the upload speeds?

    Dunno. Existing customers won't have their upload changed, but new connections will have the new speeds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭Dermobrickie


    Just having a look on the fiber roll out map, I am about a mile up a back road but the line comes up about 500m.
    The house across the road has a yellow envelope what those this mean?
    My house is in the field with the arrow not on the map yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Just having a look on the fiber roll out map, I am about a mile up a back road but the line comes up about 500m.
    The house across the road has a yellow envelope what those this mean?
    My house is in the field with the arrow not on the map yet.

    Not even, if you were 100m past the rollout. You'll have to wait for the NBP.

    /M


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    daraghwal wrote: »

    While I know my neighbour is the only one on the closest DP to me and there are slots available, that DP is nearly 300m from my house as the poles go. There is a perfect pole network between me and that DP though (5 poles and a bit of ducting in the road), but still, nearly 300m? Did the chat rep make a mistake?

    The order went through and I'm signed up for 150Mb. Has anyone had experience with this? What are my chances? Now that the order is gone through do they definitely have to supply me one way or the other? I also gave them my UAN and phone number to change that over from my current supplier but the UAN doesn't come up on the eir account that's currently being set up. Could I be in luck? Or will an engineer take one look at the place and tell me there's no chance?

    300m, I very much doubt an installer will comfortable using that much drop cable and just stringing it up on poles.
    Those slots need to remain open for the listed house if they decide to order even several years from now.
    The order will be rejected and you will continue to get the service from your current provider.
    They have no obligation to provide you with a service that they are unable to just because a member of staff made an administration error.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭A+-Guru


    I think it's possible up to 500m overhead on poles..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    A+-Guru wrote: »
    I think it's possible up to 500m overhead on poles..

    Doesn't mean any installer would be crazy enough to go that far above official recomendations.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 946 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    300m, I very much doubt an installer will comfortable using that much drop cable and just stringing it up on poles.
    Those slots need to remain open for the listed house if they decide to order even several years from now.
    The order will be rejected and you will continue to get the service from your current provider.
    They have no obligation to provide you with a service that they are unable to just because a member of staff made an administration error.

    There's definitely enough slots, just two houses near the DP. I had to ring them back today due to an error I made with the UAN. Turns out the chat agent just put in the address and not the eircode anyway and it would have never went through according to fulfillment. Order was cancelled. Fulfillment team gave me ADSL broadband and phone and told me to get onto technical support to see would they get onto open eir for me. They have emailed open eir and told me to give them a ring back in 2-3 days. I'll give an update but I presume open eir are just going to tell me I am part of NBP and leave it at that. If that's the case I will stick with my wireless broadband, cancel within the cool off period and switch to pure telecom for phone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    How do you know there are slots? Usually they are all assigned in the planning stage. They needed to be available for if/when a listed premises orders FTTH.

    I do understand how frustrating it must be and realise how lucky I was. If my house was 50 metres closer to the town I would not have been included in the rural rollout. Locally to me there is a halting site nearby that is talking up 2 DPs and 5 slots on the OLT back at the exchange, must be irritating for those that just missed out on that run. The slots will never be used unless they decide to do callout videos in UHD 4k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 946 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    How do you know there are slots? Usually they are all assigned in the planning stage. They needed to be available for if/when a listed premises orders FTTH.

    I do understand how frustrating it must be and realise how lucky I was. If my house was 50 metres closer to the town I would not have been included in the rural rollout. Locally to me there is a halting site nearby that is talking up 2 DPs and 5 slots on the OLT back at the exchange, must be irritating for those that just missed out on that run. The slots will never be used unless they decide to do callout videos in UHD 4k.

    I was told by the eir rep that slots are available but am taking that with a pinch of salt now seeing as they messed up the order in the first place. Due to the spread of houses on my road some houses close to me have a DP on their own so presumably there are slots available in those DPs.

    I'll give an update when I get it but presume they will just say it is not available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    daraghwal wrote: »
    I was told by the eir rep that slots are available but am taking that with a pinch of salt now seeing as they messed up the order in the first place. Due to the spread of houses on my road some houses close to me have a DP on their own so presumably there are slots available in those DPs.

    I'll give an update when I get it but presume they will just say it is not available.

    DPs are usually shared, so if one aligns with house A, there will probably be an intention that cable would be run from it to houses B,C and D. Looking at the DPs on my road, if some of the houses were to ask for connections they would be stringing a few hundred m of cable to reach them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭babi-hrse


    If the dp is within 500m as the cable goes of the house and the eircode is correct and the dp code matches the order it can go ahead high is the possibility of issues with terrain but if the order is correct it's possible.
    Probably will end up needing civils a hoist and two people to complete it.


  • Company Representative Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Airwire: MartinL


    Due to work on our database, updates have been a bit lax in the last few weeks. Apologies for this.

    We have however updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

    It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭medoc


    What’s the status of the rural FTTH scheme now. Is it 100% complete in that all houses planned are now passed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    medoc wrote: »
    What’s the status of the rural FTTH scheme now. Is it 100% complete in that all houses planned are now passed?
    And, also any sign that they are front running parts of the NBP?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    KOR101 wrote: »
    And, also any sign that they are front running parts of the NBP?.

    They are focusing 100% of villages, towns and cities with 1000 premises or more at the moment: their IFN rollout.

    That's basically 1.3M of the 1.4M VDSL enabled or supposedly VDSL enabled premises and 0.1M of NBP premises within urban footprint, that they committed to cover.

    There is not much of the 300k left to do. Small pockets at most. They have also removed a bunch of premises, that they originally were going to cover, but didn't bother with in the end. Having been removed from the list doesn't mean one isn't covered ... IF the infrastructure is in place. In some places, their database simply is a mess and it takes an inventive provider to relist the premise.

    /M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Marlow wrote: »
    They are focusing 100% of villages, towns and cities with 1000 premises or more at the moment: their IFN rollout.

    That's basically 1.3M of the 1.4M VDSL enabled or supposedly VDSL enabled premises and 0.1M of NBP premises within urban footprint, that they committed to cover.

    So, if you understand you right, what they are doing to going back to the customers who got VDSL/"eFibre"/FTTC connections in their previous rollout and upgrading them to FTTH in areas where there are 1000+ premises?

    If that is the case, it's great, but what are they planning on doing for the 100K+ customers who are located in areas smaller than that?

    They seem to be left in no mans land as they won't receive FTTH either from Eir/any private rollout or the NBP. They might be ok for now but you would imagine that they will be in need of another NBP in the coming years as their speeds will surely become obsolete as technology advances so quickly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    BandMember wrote: »
    If that is the case, it's great, but what are they planning on doing for the 100K+ customers who are located in areas smaller than that?

    Nothing. Not commercial viable atm. And I'm exactly in such an area. I have 70 Mbit/s VDSL. Village is smaller than 1000, so not getting the upgrade.

    Or they could upgrade those few to supervectoring later. Maybe.

    Probably going to convince a neighbor 500m up the road to let me put FTTH in there and then put a wireless link to my gaff to fix that :)

    /M


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,921 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Off topic, but with all the depressing news lately, here's a throwback that'll make you laugh.
    Circa 2008 'Anti Skiving off work unit''

    The irony here was eircom technicians not turning up to install your phoneline on the day allocated for your install

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Marlow wrote: »
    Nothing. Not commercial viable atm. And I'm exactly in such an area. I have 70 Mbit/s VDSL. Village is smaller than 1000, so not getting the upgrade.

    Or they could upgrade those few to supervectoring later. Maybe.

    Probably going to convince a neighbor 500m up the road to let me put FTTH in there and then put a wireless link to my gaff to fix that :)

    /M

    I highly doubt that they would bother with supervectoring, what would the cost be involved in there? What's the comparision vs FTTH upgrade?

    From looking at the maps and knowing a lot of people in rural areas where the town/village/urban area has FTTC but the rest of the area is in the NBP, would it not be easy enough to upgrade those FTTC customers to FTTH? Or do they need to start campaigning for their own NBP already?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    BandMember wrote: »
    I highly doubt that they would bother with supervectoring, what would the cost be involved in there? What's the comparision vs FTTH upgrade?

    The fact is, that the original specifications for the NBP called for 30 Mbit/s now and 100 Mbit/s by 2021 or so. Those are the requirements to be achieved as a minimum.

    That the contract that was signed with NBI now calls for something different, does not matter. The guidelines above still apply.

    OpenEir can do that on whats there and they have been very clear on their roadmap.

    No upgrades will happen to these premises in the foreseeable future.

    /M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭medoc


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I'd imagine anyone on the 300 plan will have to ring up and request an upgrade to 500, even Eir customers.

    Eir still have no mention of the 500 plan anywhere on their website, the 300 plan has not been on their website since last year. Vodafone and Airwire still listing the 300 plans.


    Got my May invoice by email from Digiweb. The package is now called Ultrafast Broadband 500. My speed hasn’t increased so I’ll contact them.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    medoc wrote: »
    Got my May invoice by email. The package is now called Ultrafast Broadband 500. My speed hasn’t increased so I’ll contact them.

    I don't think Eir have rolled out their 500 profile yet. Their 300 plan hasn't been available since last year and there is no sight of the new 500 plan either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    Wouldn't be surprised if the billing department introduced it before it actually came into place.

    Anyone who has had to contact Eir about technical issues will know one department of Eir are effectively incapable of communicating with another.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭medoc


    Sorry should have clarified I’m with Digiweb. The 500 plan has been on their site a week or so. I just noticed the plan name changed in my invoice today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Wouldn't be surprised if the billing department introduced it before it actually came into place.

    It may also depend on which billing system you are in. It can get real messy, depending on if you are in TIS, r6 or one of the other ones.

    /M


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    medoc wrote: »
    Sorry should have clarified I’m with Digiweb. The 500 plan has been on their site a week or so. I just noticed the plan name changed in my invoice today.

    that makes sense so, Digiweb are the only provider that shows any mention of a 500 profile being available. OpenEir control the profiles at the end of the day and perhaps there is the possibility that the 500 profile has been delayed due to the current lockdown situation.


  • Company Representative Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Airwire: MartinL


    Gonzo wrote: »
    OpenEir control the profiles at the end of the day and perhaps there is the possibility that the 500 profile has been delayed due to the current lockdown situation.

    The 500 Mbit/s profile was introduced on the OpenEIR platform last week and has been available to providers since then.

    We have not yet had the time to look at, how cost will work out for us, so that is why it's not listed on our website yet.

    Very few go for the 300 Mbit/s package as it is. It tends to be 150 Mbit/s or Gbit/s.


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