Eir rural FTTH thread III

Shanotheslayer

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

Which products does it tell you, that "No ports are available" ?

If it's for FTTH and there is an active line in the premise already, then this is a non-issue. Easily fixed.

You can also PM me your eircode and I'll have a look, why there are no ports.

How can it be an easy fix for FTTH if there are no ports available for FTTH? What if the DP is full?

user1842

oscarBravo wrote: »

Smartbyte?

Either that or the friends laptop only has a 100Mbps ethernet port or the cable that is used to connect it is well below cat5 (only using 2 rather than 4 pairs).

Headshot

Wonder are Google having DNS issues, finding basic internet browsing awfully slow or maybe Eir are having issues.

m99T

Hi lads,

Long time since I posed on here but just discovered something. Ignore me if this is common knowledge but you can logon to the HG8010H OLNT, default creds.



You need to plug directly to it, bypassing any vlans

Set a static IP on your device to 192.168.100.2 and you can access the login page at 192.168.100.1

Username is root
password is admin

Again, ignore me if people already know this, but proceeded at your own risk.

raydator

Headshot wrote: »

Wonder are Google having DNS issues, finding basic internet browsing awfully slow or maybe Eir are having issues.

EIR is having problems, especially if you are bridged. NAT errors.

Spoke with EIR and was told it could be Monday before it will be resolved.

Headshot

raydator wrote: »

EIR is having problems, especially if you are bridged. NAT errors.

Spoke with EIR and was told it could be Monday before it will be resolved.

Yup my setup.

Thanks

cnocbui

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

How can it be an easy fix for FTTH if there are no ports available for FTTH? What if the DP is full?

The key bit was him saying if there was an active fibre line to the house, which would mean even if the DP were full, one of the allocated lines would be potentialy available.

alec76

m99T wrote: »

Hi lads,

Long time since I posed on here but just discovered something. Ignore me if this is common knowledge but you can logon to the HG8010H OLT, default creds.



You need to plug directly to it, bypassing any vlans

Set a static IP on your device to 192.168.100.2 and you can access the login page at 192.168.100.1

Username is root
password is admin

Again, ignore me if people already know this, but proceeded at your own risk.

Thank you for sharing, I don’t think it was public.

m99T

alec76 wrote: »

Thank you for sharing, you mean ONT of course, hacking OLT would be hardcore stuff

Yep I do, lol if you get the ONT hit me up haha!

Airwire: MartinL

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

Airwire: MartinL

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

How can it be an easy fix for FTTH if there are no ports available for FTTH? What if the DP is full?

Because once the active line in the premise is cancelled using the new tenant process (yes .. there is such a thing), then the port on the DP becomes available again.

joe123

oscarBravo wrote: »

Smartbyte?

user1842 wrote: »

Either that or the friends laptop only has a 100Mbps ethernet port or the cable that is used to connect it is well below cat5 (only using 2 rather than 4 pairs).

Hey guys just following up on this.

So he uninstalled Smartbyte and is still unable to get over 100Mb on a wired speed test. He says the cable hes using is Cat 5e.

Is there a way to test if its the laptop? Id be surprised if it is as he only bought it last year and its a gaming one.

cnocbui

Sounds like the laptop only has 10/100 ethernet. I get 137 Mbps over 5Ghz WiFi on an 8 year old Macbook Pro. Assuming windows, it should be possible to go into network settinsg and then drill down choosing advanced settings until you get to something that looks like the old control panel which will give the ethernet controller specs.

babi-hrse

Port management on QoS in router settings?
Router could be dividing the amount of traffic over interfaces to stop one person using all the bandwidth?

Marlow

joe123 wrote: »

Hey guys just following up on this.

So he uninstalled Smartbyte and is still unable to get over 100Mb on a wired speed test. He says the cable hes using is Cat 5e.

Is there a way to test if its the laptop? Id be surprised if it is as he only bought it last year and its a gaming one.

Sometimes it's also the cable from the router to the ONT that is crummy. Wouldn't be a first. Worth trying to replace that, too.

/M

daraghwal

joe123 wrote: »

Hey guys just following up on this.

So he uninstalled Smartbyte and is still unable to get over 100Mb on a wired speed test. He says the cable hes using is Cat 5e.

Is there a way to test if its the laptop? Id be surprised if it is as he only bought it last year and its a gaming one.

Maybe see if this is correct?

https://support.killernetworking.com/knowledge-base/ethernet-link-speed-capped-at-100-mbps/

matildajane

does anyone know how I find out if ftth cables are going to be installed on my road. KNcircet are currently installing on roads all around my but not on mine even though it has more houses. I have contacted KN and openeir and they all just refer me to that ancient out of date fibrerollout.ie map. I am in north Dublin on a regional route and ftth is on surrounding roads but not on mine.

Marlow

matildajane wrote: »

does anyone know how I find out if ftth cables are going to be installed on my road.

The DCCE map is essentially, what you need to be looking at: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/5634d-national-broadband-plan-map/

That will tell you which provider you may or may not be covered by .. or if you have to wait for the NBP.

/M

matildajane

it says I am in the intervention area and have to wait for a survey as part of the nbi. However it says the same thing about the houses where KN are currently running fibre right in front of!

Marlow

matildajane wrote: »

it says I am in the intervention area and have to wait for a survey as part of the nbi. However it says the same thing about the houses where KN are currently running fibre right in front of!

KN could be running anything. Doesn't have to be fibre. Also OpenEIR is still rolling out fibre in villages that were previously VDSL covered and have more than 1000 premises.

But until they list these premises as covered, there is nowhere you can check at the moment. If that's what's happening there, it'll be 2-6 months, before you see that becoming available anyhow.

The Airwire checker will eventually list homes, that are expected to be part of the OpenEIR IFN, but does not do that yet: http://airwire.ie/avail

/M

AS1890

Could someone help me please?

I have 1GBps (or 1gbps not sure on capitalization) being installed on Thursday.

The existing eir pole across from our house (quiet country road pole is 25 meters from the house). This pole has no cable spool at the top but the next pole down the road does (approx about 70m to 100m away)

Will eir or Open eir go from pole furthest away then come up to pole opposite the house?

Just not 100% sure if was available but when speaking to recontract team Monday they said FTTH was available and have since checked airware and it says it's available too.

cnocbui

They will connect a new, different cable to the nearest black box and run that cable along the road to the nearer pole and than to the house from there. If you have an existing copper phone line then the fibre will likely follow the same route into the house.

patrick_10

Hi All

I checked the gov.ie broadband map. I live up a private lane, so am in the amber area but my fathers house is in blue area and part way up my lane - he can get fibre but doesn't need it as he has a nokia flip phone and thats about it!!!

Can I install my own fibre cable down the poles to my fathers telephone pole (550m) or nearest exchange (700m)?
Can Fibre being joined using special connections? I was told by kn technician that is can't so have to run it direct to nearest exchange.

Line of sight to be Dads house wouldn't work due to bend/heights. Don't want to get satellite either.
Unless I install it in his house and run cable up to my house.

Has anyone done it? Eir rolls are only 500m and they won't do it my eircode is outside the map.

Any comments or feedback would be great.

JonMac

Warning I have no expertise! Seems to me having a professional run cable from your Dad's house would be quickest thing to do.
I am in amber area and will have to wait years, even though the houses 400m away can get it. Not relatives so can't ask them to hook up for me.. .

babi-hrse

It'll work you could go ahead get it installed in your dad's house and then get a roll of single mode fibre fit SC APC connectors on the end and send it on to yourself. Once the kn chap does exactly what he's supposed and allowed to do he does not care what you do yourself after the fact.
You'd need to know how to splice it not difficult but requires practice. Alternatively you could get a decent electrician to run and splice or fuse the connection.
The bends are practically a non issue the cable nearly stops you bending any tighter than a 40mm radius

patrick_10

JonMac wrote: »

Warning I have no expertise! Seems to me having a professional run cable from your Dad's house would be quickest thing to do.
I am in amber area and will have to wait years, even though the houses 400m away can get it. Not relatives so can't ask them to hook up for me.. .

Thanks Jonmac. Its only overhead cable on poles so can't anticipate it will be too difficult, just getting the right cable is tricky part. Would need to terminated properly at either end onbviously.

patrick_10

babi-hrse wrote: »

It'll work you could go ahead get it installed in your dad's house and then get a roll of single mode fibre fit SC APC connectors on the end and send it on to yourself. Once the kn chap does exactly what he's supposed and allowed to do he does not care what you do yourself after the fact.
You'd need to know how to splice it not difficult but requires practice. Alternatively you could get a decent electrician to run and splice or fuse the connection.
The bends are practically a non issue the cable nearly stops you bending any tighter than a 40mm radius

Perfect thanks - looking up that cable now cheers.

William_Flynn

babi-hrse wrote: »

It'll work you could go ahead get it installed in your dad's house and then get a roll of single mode fibre fit SC APC connectors on the end and send it on to

Try getting pre-terminated fibre. While splicing isn’t hard, it requires special equipment and a little practice.

If you are sharing the connection with your father you could use ethernet to optical converters at each end.

Also depending on the fibre you get, it may need to be protection from the environment (e.g in a pipe).

William_Flynn

patrick_10 wrote: »

Thanks Jonmac. Its only overhead cable on poles so can't anticipate it will be too difficult, just getting the right cable is tricky part. Would need to terminated properly at either end onbviously.

Eir won’t allow you to string your own fibre on their poles. But if your land joins, you could string/bury it across your land would work.

To buy the cable try looking at radionics.ie or farnell.ie

cnocbui

patrick_10 wrote: »

Perfect thanks - looking up that cable now cheers.

Make sure you get cable that has no metal reinforcing strands, whatsoever (lightning). The cble should only be strain reinforced with kelar (aramid) or dyneema (Ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene), which is even better. The Openeir cable has both.

cnocbui

William_Flynn wrote: »

Eir won’t allow you to string your own fibre on their poles. But if your land joins, you could string/bury it across your land would work.

To buy the cable try looking at radionics.ie or farnell.ie

I doubt they would notice it if installed to spec, until they came along to expand the network in a decade or two as per the NBP, which would lead to the current problem being solved anyway - not that I am condoning, suggesting or encouraging such a thing; speaking entirely hypothetically of course.

AS1890

Got FTTH installed today. in between 50mb and 300mb on WiFi speed test.

Haven’t tried Ethernet cable with laptop yet. I got the eir fibre router (newer model I believe).

Anyone Recommend any changes to make to default config to improve speed or coverage. I’m using 2.4ghz for most devices so far and I’m going to use a power line adapter for smart TV / fire stick.

cnocbui

Use 5Ghz for WiFi. 2-3 times faster than 2.5. I can get download speeds of 17 MBs over WiFi on 5 GHz. Only 1000/100 or better Ethernet is faster than 5Ghz WiFi and many devices are only 100/10.

AS1890

cnocbui wrote: »

Use 5Ghz for WiFi. 2-3 times faster than 2.5. I can get download speeds of 17 MBs over WiFi on 5 GHz. Only 1000/100 or better Ethernet is faster than 5Ghz WiFi and many devices are only 100/10.

Am I correct in saying 5GHz will have faster download but may not reach as far? I'll switch devices tomorrow. Our house is 40 years old and two centre walls are 8 inch block on flat so thought I'd need Powerline / Mesh but seem to be getting satisfactory WiFi throughout!

cnocbui

Yes.

eltonyio

Just wondering if anyone could advise on the below please.

I wanted to order FTTH but have the following situation:

FTTH is available in my area but the online availability checkers say the ports are full
I ordered FTTC instead but the KN guys said on arrival that I was too far from cabinet (1.7KM)
They told me I could definitely get FTTH though and that there were 8 DPs outside my house, 5 of which were free
They said they would do a survey and refer back to provider for rebooking
Provider received a written note back from engineer about available ports but installation booking system still said that there are no ports available so they can't place an order
Provider then received another update that there are 4 ports outside my house and these are all full.
So network and engineer are saying different things and I have no way to contact either to clarify

This seems to be a bit of a dead end now. Has anyone any ideas? Every house in the area has FTTH

John mac

try dropping , Airwire: MartinL a pm . he may be able to clarify your situation .

eltonyio

Thanks very much for the recommendation, I'll try MartinL

babi-hrse

What's probably happened there is somebody moved out or came in as a new customer and got an install to be connected to the next port the installation went ahead but they were just left in the current port as it's all the same signal irrespective of position. However it doesn't get updated that that prior port is now free it just shows two customers at the same address with two accounts.
The eircode system was supposed to stop this sort of thing happening. oscarbravo and I discussed this a couple of months ago page 96-97
It's probably not this reason but I highly suspect it is if there are free working ports and the system said full.
A case of a good idea being wrecked by poor implementation.
A good workaround would be if an ont hasn't been seen online for more than a month it should be investigated and port recycled as free if not in use.
EDIT
it was actually Oscar bravo and it was two months ago.

eltonyio

Thanks for the reply.

I'm not aware of anyone locally moving out but some neighbours have recently added fibre alright so this sounds plausible.

What's an ONT?

How do I go about getting it investigated? Most of the operators are responding with a 'computer says no' type response?

cnocbui

eltonyio wrote: »

Thanks for the reply.

I'm not aware of anyone locally moving out but some neighbours have recently added fibre alright so this sounds plausible.

What's an ONT?

How do I go about getting it investigated? Most of the operators are responding with a 'computer says no' type response?

An ONT is a Optical Network Terminal - a small white box about the size of two cigarette packets with 3 status LEDs on it. The optical cable and a DC power lead plug into it and the circuitry inside authenticates (I believe?) and converts the incoming laser encoded light into electrical signals and outputs that via an Ethernet cable to a router. Likewise it uses incoming ethernet data to encode a laser it fires back down the fibre.

Email Martin at Airwire.ie and he will most likely look into it for you.

eltonyio

I've still had no luck with getting FTTH, despit it being in my area for years now.



I've figured out this week that if I check availability on airwire's site with my eircode it says ports full, but every other neighbour on my road, including those in front, behind and either side of me, all say with ports available.


What would happen if I ordered fibre using a neighbour's eircode? I.e a neighbour who already has it in.

Edit to add - thanks for the reply last week - I've phoned and emailed Airwire this week too but nothing back yet.

babi-hrse

eltonyio wrote: »

What would happen if I ordered fibre using a neighbour's eircode? I.e a neighbour who already has it in.

If the provider does it right it'll come out as install a modem and verify insitu ftth
Engineer will show up and see its the wrong house and that there is in fact no insitu fibre in your address.
He won't pull your neibhours line out to stick you in his port.
If it comes out wrong ie a new line provide it'll be ports full can't place an order.
With a bit of luck opener might audit the DPS and verify what is free for use.

choronzonix

Hi all,

I'm wondering if there is a way of contacting Open Eir to query whether a FTTH unit that is right outside of my home on a telephone pole is going to be activated or what the story is with it? I tried emailing open eir directly but received an automated reply that i'd have to check with my 'provider', but i'm currently with Imagine (and they're pretty bad lol). Does anyone know if there's a way of making this kind of an enquiry?

daraghwal

choronzonix wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm wondering if there is a way of contacting Open Eir to query whether a FTTH unit that is right outside of my home on a telephone pole is going to be activated or what the story is with it? I tried emailing open eir directly but received an automated reply that i'd have to check with my 'provider', but i'm currently with Imagine (and they're pretty bad lol). Does anyone know if there's a way of making this kind of an enquiry?

Stick your eircode in here and see what it says under FTTH

choronzonix

daraghwal wrote: »

Stick your eircode in here and see what it says under FTTH

It says 'not available'. I checked a couple of other eircodes nearby - one that is 2 houses up the road has it available though.

feelpablo

choronzonix wrote: »

It says 'not available'. I checked a couple of other eircodes nearby - one that is 2 houses up the road has it available though.

i have the exact same problem.


new build three years ago. pole with cabinet in my garden.


ftth available to every other house on the road bar ours....


very very annoying

cnocbui

choronzonix wrote: »

It says 'not available'. I checked a couple of other eircodes nearby - one that is 2 houses up the road has it available though.

feelpablo wrote: »

i have the exact same problem.


new build three years ago. pole with cabinet in my garden.


ftth available to every other house on the road bar ours....


very very annoying

Are either of your houses new builds? When you zoom in on the fibre roll-out-map, what does it say?

feelpablo

cnocbui wrote: »

Are either of your houses new builds? When you zoom in on the fibre roll-out-map, what does it say?

yep newly built house, just in it three years last week.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10164479044245456&set=a.161669610455



ill let you guess which house is mine!

cnocbui

feelpablo wrote: »

yep newly built house, just in it three years last week.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10164479044245456&set=a.161669610455

ill let you guess which house is mine!

Well there is a good chance that is your problem in that your house post dates the port allocation process. Earlier in in the thread it's been pointed out that there is supposed to be a process by which new build can be added, but i don't think anyone developed the process formally. Perhaps contact Comreg and ask how it can be done or contact Airwire.ie and see if thay can get your Eir code added.