General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

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Leroy42 wrote: »

At least in the case of LK, it always appears to be a rush to the get Tory positive spin out first.

Possibly true.

Does she treat her Labour sources with the same kind of trust.

Who knows.

Anyway Labour has to be careful not to get bogged down with stuff like this. After all, most people are not on twitter. They'll watch the evening bulletins and this won't be mentioned.

hometruths

hotmail.com wrote: »

Rather than bias, I feel it's a rush to get information out that might be considered dramatic/sensational.

Being high profile on social media is now very much part of the job for a journalist and it leads to these mistakes.

I agree with this - and it often seems individual journalists are rushing to twitter to be seen to be first with the tweet amongst their peers, and generally they are more circumspect with what they actually file with their employers.

Having said that The Guardian ran with the story of assault on their website before hastily changing it to a story about how "The Tories were forced to make an embarrassing climbdown after aides briefed that an adviser to Matt Hancock had been hit by a Labour protester".

Leroy42

schmittel wrote: »

I agree with this - and it often seems individual journalists are rushing to twitter to be seen to be first with the tweet amongst their peers, and generally they are more circumspect with what they actually file with their employers.

Having said that The Guardian ran with the story of assault on their website before hastily changing it to a story about how "The Tories were forced to make an embarrassing climbdown after aides briefed that an adviser to Matt Hancock had been hit by a Labour protester".

But Peston and LK are not some junior beat journalist looking for their break. They are the head of their organisations political reporting (or at least a very serious part of it). With that comes certain responsibilities.

Not only to themselves, but to the organisation that they work for, and their profession.

For Forks Sake

hotmail.com wrote: »

Rather than bias, I feel it's a rush to get information out that might be considered dramatic/sensational.

Being high profile on social media is now very much part of the job for a journalist and it leads to these mistakes.

It's called gossip, and it's not shouldn't be the remit of the BBC political editor.

hometruths

Leroy42 wrote: »

But Peston and LK are not some junior beat journalist looking for their break. They are the head of their organisations political reporting (or at least a very serious part of it). With that comes certain responsibilities.

Not only to themselves, but to the organisation that they work for, and their profession.

Yep I agree it is outrageous, meant I think the motivation was primarily ego rather than political bias.

Joe_ Public

Twitter is a cesspit of ignorance and vile, uncensored abuse, we all know that. But it doesnt need journalists in very senior positions adding to the disease. Perhaps liberated from the responsibilities of their usual exacting homes, these reporters feel they can use twitter to upload any old gossip or rumour, whether from "senior" or "trusted" sources or not. They have added onus to avoid the usual pitfalls, not add to them.

I wonder too how these trusted senior tories must be laughing their asses off in the pubs at night at the likes of peston and kuennsberg, two faithful stooges who will print any of the rubbish they feed them. Probably have a sweepstake going to see who can get them to print the most outlandish lie of the campaign. Dead heat so far anyway!

BorneTobyWilde

Referendum should have a time limit of 4 years, if the results could not be implemented, should be another referendum

Strazdas

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Referendum should have a time limit of 4 years, if the results could not be implemented, should be another referendum

I would say even much less than this : if implementation still hasn't happened after a year or so, it would suggest there is a big problem with the result and it might not be safe to implement (as the mandate risks running out).

Letwin_Larry

that picture of the boy lying on a floor in A&E could be a game-changer. Boris' reaction was dismissive, uncaring & lacked empathy. It's as if he just wished the little fella would just feck off.

i myself had a bout of pneumonia at the age of 7, so i can tell you it's an ass kicker. 6 weeks in hospital, i ended up in an oxygen-tent, and fortunately got excellent treatment from our county hospital for which i am ever grateful.

not sure about anybody else but Johnson's lack of empathy struck home for me, and as a very undecided "voter" i would be now extremely reluctant to vote Tory. (i'm not a UK voter btw, but i'm speaking hypothetically).

i'm sure anyone with a sick child will be pretty disgusted.

Water John

Listening to the undecided focus group on Sky, Corbyn seems to have a more positive feel for most of them. That could mean a few % on voting day.

BorneTobyWilde

This thing of saying you can't vote again is silly. Why would there be any elections in that case. Would Farage have quit had the vote been remain? No, he would have fought on for another Vote.
World is different than it was 3 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, need to move with the times. Sort out a deal, and put it to the people, not rocket science.

Joe_ Public

Water John wrote: »

Listening to the undecided focus group on Sky, Corbyn seems to have a more positive feel for most of them. That could mean a few % on voting day.

They had one on bbc this morning in crewe and I'd say slightly positive for labour. Two people put up their hands at the end to say they'd vote for labour, one saying they were voting for the party not the leader. Hardly means much but some small thing anyway.

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One things for sure this election will be very unconventional.

Thursday's full moon will flare tempers even further, folks will be tired at the end of the working week and most of these Islands will be blasted with NW blustery showers and a reel-feel of -1oC in the winter's darkness of 18:00hrs.
LibDems have become a spent force, Boris becomes more untrustworthy (nhs/borders etc) with every passing day.

If Labour can keep DA away from the cameras (as they have been doing), they could do fairly well in the form of a coalition.
The North will also see tactical votes to bypass SF/DUP in preference of others to counter brexit.

All that means will be looking at the markets tommorow (low turnout, Labour handicap market, LD failures, and esp. NI constituencies) - where the bright green/orange only had small wins previously.

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Leroy42 wrote: »

But Peston and LK are not some junior beat journalist looking for their break. They are the head of their organisations political reporting (or at least a very serious part of it). With that comes certain responsibilities.

Not only to themselves, but to the organisation that they work for, and their profession.

I remember Kay Burley tweeting incorrect information about a London terror incident, which I think turned out not to be a terror attack.

She again rushed a tweet out without sourcing the information correctly.

Journalists have huge egos and obviously get a kick out of the number of likes and shares etc.

ArmaniJeanss

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

that picture of the boy lying on a floor in A&E could be a game-changer. Boris' reaction was dismissive, uncaring & lacked empathy. It's as if he just wished the little fella would just feck off.

i myself had a bout of pneumonia at the age of 7, so i can tell you it's an ass kicker. 6 weeks in hospital, i ended up in an oxygen-tent, and fortunately got excellent treatment from our county hospital for which i am ever grateful.

not sure about anybody else but Johnson's lack of empathy struck home for me, and as a very undecided "voter" i would be now extremely reluctant to vote Tory. (i'm not a UK voter btw, but i'm speaking hypothetically).

i'm sure anyone with a sick child will be pretty disgusted.

You'd have to think every Labour activist in Red Wall-land tomorrow will be armed with copies of this photo and a 'this is what Boris does to your kids' spiel.

Whether it can be a game changer or not is open to question, though I do think the Conservative vote might have been very soft. If anyone had been looking for a bona-fide up-to-date excuse not to back Johnson, well now they have it.

It's probably the perfect time for this to have happened as well (sounds callous, sorry). With just two days campaigning left it seems certain that at least one of them will be in an area where Labour is strong. Whatever version of Get Brexit Done that the Tories were planning on being the focal point is going to struggle to get through.

Sir Oxman

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I think mcdonnell has been excellent, just in terms of how he has elucidated labours position and carried himself under questioning. Seems to have mellowed considerably from his more firebrand days, just consistently comes across well, whatever about the actual merit of those policies.

Probably why Javid didn't debate him despite an invite.

Joe_ Public

hotmail.com wrote: »

I remember Kay Burley tweeting incorrect information about a London terror incident, which I think turned out not to be a terror attack.

She again rushed a tweet out without sourcing the information correctly.

Journalists have huge egos and obviously get a kick out of the number of likes and shares etc.

A few weeks back Jonathan Freedland, guardian writer, put out a tweet about a labour muslim candidate being an antisemite. Trouble was he had the wrong man, same name but not same person. Freedland wasnt the only one. He apologised profusely for the libel, but problem is it was already out there and that candidate will suffer consequences from that lie. It was a mistake but one caused by the failure to check and double check facts which was once, long time ago, the first principle of journalism.

Sir Oxman

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Twitter is a cesspit of ignorance and vile, uncensored abuse, we all know that. But it doesnt need journalists in very senior positions adding to the disease. Perhaps liberated from the responsibilities of their usual exacting homes, these reporters feel they can use twitter to upload any old gossip or rumour, whether from "senior" or "trusted" sources or not. They have added onus to avoid the usual pitfalls, not add to them.

I wonder too how these trusted senior tories must be laughing their asses off in the pubs at night at the likes of peston and kuennsberg, two faithful stooges who will print any of the rubbish they feed them. Probably have a sweepstake going to see who can get them to print the most outlandish lie of the campaign. Dead heat so far anyway!

It's known that Trump does this regularly (or his inner circle tweeting on his behalf)


Arron Banks admitted this in his private DMs that were leaked.

Sir Oxman

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

that picture of the boy lying on a floor in A&E could be a game-changer. Boris' reaction was dismissive, uncaring & lacked empathy. It's as if he just wished the little fella would just feck off.

i myself had a bout of pneumonia at the age of 7, so i can tell you it's an ass kicker. 6 weeks in hospital, i ended up in an oxygen-tent, and fortunately got excellent treatment from our county hospital for which i am ever grateful.

not sure about anybody else but Johnson's lack of empathy struck home for me, and as a very undecided "voter" i would be now extremely reluctant to vote Tory. (i'm not a UK voter btw, but i'm speaking hypothetically).

i'm sure anyone with a sick child will be pretty disgusted.

There is a pretty important bit of that video when Johnson realises the regional reporter is not going to let it go (not the phone!)
He says, 'I'll give you an interview' which is IMO as clear as day offer to the reporter an interview (full of soundbites) for dropping the kid story.

serfboard

Joe_ Public wrote: »

the failure to check and double check facts which was once, long time ago, the first principle of journalism.

In this era of instant communication, immediacy as opposed to accuracy has become the essence of journalism.

The desire to get and publish a scoop, trumps all fact-checking.

Peter Flynt

We'll all be glued to the telly at 10PM on Thursday

RickBlaine

Peter Flynt wrote: »

We'll all be glued to the telly at 10PM on Thursday

About that, what is the typical timeframe. I believe the exit polls will be released at 10, but when can we expect the actual results. Will we know by the early hours of Friday morning or will the count likely run into Friday afternoon?

Shelga

Peter Flynt wrote: »

We'll all be glued to the telly at 10PM on Thursday

Is that when we can expect the exit poll?

Forgive what is probably a stupid question, but how come exit polls seem to be vastly more accurate than polls taken before election day?

I know that a person is probably unlikely to lie about who they’ve just voted for (whereas they could change their mind after they’ve done a pre-election poll) but surely an exit poll still doesn’t cover that many people?

Peter Flynt

Exit poll at 10PM in 2017 basically predicted the result as it ended up.
They are very accurate.

blackcard

Shelga wrote: »

Is that when we can expect the exit poll?

Forgive what is probably a stupid question, but how come exit polls seem to be vastly more accurate than polls taken before election day?

I know that a person is probably unlikely to lie about who they’ve just voted for (whereas they could change their mind after they’ve done a pre-election poll) but surely an exit poll still doesn’t cover that many people?

At least with an exit poll, you know you are asking people that have actually voted

Joe_ Public

Emily Maitliss wasnt really interested in giving labours barry gardiner any ground on johnsons nhs screw up. Hounded him relentlessly for whole interview. Fair enough but i thought the answer to her question as to why johnson had visited 10 hospitals and corbyn only one, was fairly obvious. Corbyn is just not into the handy photo op the same way johnson is. Maybe that's a weakness alright.

Sir Oxman

RickBlaine wrote: »

About that, what is the typical timeframe. I believe the exit polls will be released at 10, but when can we expect the actual results. Will we know by the early hours of Friday morning or will the count likely run into Friday afternoon?

The results start to trickle in from about midnight.
Then there's a huge influx of results from 2am onwards.
Generally get an idea by 4-5am, full results from GB by morning time/lunchtime latest

NI doesn't start counting till Friday morning.

Peter Flynt

Shelga wrote: »

Is that when we can expect the exit poll?

Forgive what is probably a stupid question, but how come exit polls seem to be vastly more accurate than polls taken before election day?

I know that a person is probably unlikely to lie about who they’ve just voted for (whereas they could change their mind after they’ve done a pre-election poll) but surely an exit poll still doesn’t cover that many people?

The exit poll is basically people standing outside the polling station with a ballot box and people who have just voted are asked to vote again using an identical paper which they place into the exit poll ballot box.

It is far more accurate for a number of reasons:
1- That person has just voted
2- They are under no line of direct communication with the pollers. no telephone or eye contact involved
3- They know their vote for the pollers is anonymous.
4- Bigger numbers are polled thus reducing the margin of error.
5- Polling occurs in the constituencies that matter and results are extrapolated thereafter.
6- Huge numbers are involved in the polling.

Arthur Daley

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Exit poll at 10PM in 2017 basically predicted the result as it ended up.
They are very accurate.

Since 1992 yes the exit polls have been right. Assuming the exit poll is in line with expectations then you know the gist of it by midnight, and it's confirmed by 1am. But in 2017 because the exit poll was contrary to the general pre election polling you didn't know what way it was going exactly until early the next morning.

Water John

You do get some early seats, who specialise in doing that. Really into 2/4 am to get the full flow of seats filled. If it's running tight a small discrepancy from the exit poll could mean a swing of 25 seats.