General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

Arthur Daley

ITV coverage is not bad

Harry Palmr

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Are Wales traditionally this conservative? They appear more English then the English are.

The Welsh are poor and blame "Europe" for that. They're weird. The closing of coal and steel was Thatcherism in full flow (and of course part of the wider move away from dirty industry in the west) but for some reason they have taken refuge with the party that probably has the greatest contempt for them (insomuch as they are thought about at all by the Tories.)

WomanSkirtFan8

VinLieger wrote: »

Thats FPTP for you, its an absolutely broken system

Yep. And it was the brexit referendum in 2016 which broke it. :cool:

Moghead

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The is one of the greatest moments for the United Kingdom.

A return to the nation-state. Controlling laws, borders, and monies; a replica for the rest of Europe too. Let's have Europe leave the European Union.

A return of our coastal fishing communities.

A charismatic, intelligent leader.

The patronising attitude of many has been exposed. We warned you - we really did - not to look down on Leave voters as stupid, racist, and irrelevant; somehow secretly wishing a return to imperialist times.

That attitude, like with Hilary Clinton and the "deplorables", is what is costing you elections. But you just can't see beyond your own wall of bias.

Don't point the finger and blame. Look to yourself, find those faults, and reform from within. That's the only way you'll ever win a future election.

Until then, it's Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.

What a load of rubbish

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The is one of the greatest moments for the United Kingdom.

A return to the nation-state. Controlling laws, borders, and monies; a replica for the rest of Europe too. Let's have Europe leave the European Union.

A return of our coastal fishing communities.

A charismatic, intelligent leader.

The patronising attitude of many has been exposed. We warned you - we really did - not to look down on Leave voters as stupid, racist, and irrelevant; somehow secretly wishing a return to imperialist times.

That attitude, like with Hilary Clinton and the "deplorables", is what is costing you elections. But you just can't see beyond your own wall of bias.

Don't point the finger and blame. Look to yourself, find those faults, and reform from within. That's the only way you'll ever win a future election.

Until then, it's Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.

The fishing arrangements aren't to do with the EU. Are they?

ednwireland

Deleted User wrote: »

A charismatic, intelligent leader.

seriously ??

funkey_monkey

Well that's us ****ed here in the North. Corbyn will go down as one of the most inept and incompetent party leaders of all time. How he failed against the shambles of May and Boris is dumbfounding.

Those who proposed him to 'widen the debate' in the Labour leadership election must be hanging their heads in embarrassment.

This brings us Brexit at end of January and probably the breakup of the United Kingdom in the medium term.

Genuinely surprised about the majority prediction and wondering what the future holds for us now.

Arthur Daley

Coal was never going to survive gloval warming/climate change was it? It was doomed no matter what Maggie did.

ednwireland

ednwireland wrote: »

seriously ??

Yes, a cursory glance at his background - whether education or otherwise - displays this in full abundance.

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The is one of the greatest moments for the United Kingdom.

A return to the nation-state. Controlling laws, borders, and monies; a replica for the rest of Europe too. Let's have Europe leave the European Union.

A return of our coastal fishing communities.

A charismatic, intelligent leader.

The patronising attitude of many has been exposed. We warned you - we really did - not to look down on Leave voters as stupid, racist, and irrelevant; somehow secretly wishing a return to imperialist times.

That attitude, like with Hilary Clinton and the "deplorables", is what is costing you elections. But you just can't see beyond your own wall of bias.

Don't point the finger and blame. Look to yourself, find those faults, and reform from within. That's the only way you'll ever win a future election.

Until then, it's Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.

You'd love that.

I'm afraid mate as with the entire world the empire days are over it's now a collective bunch of countries trading on common grounds to locals.

Your knowledge of international trade is infantile.

The EU isn't breaking up. Europe isn't leaving the union. England will be left out in the cold.

BorneTobyWilde

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there a BBC live stream available?

https://www.filmon.com/group/uk-live-tv

PressRun

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Cody montana

Deleted User wrote: »

The is one of the greatest moments for the United Kingdom.

A return to the nation-state. Controlling laws, borders, and monies; a replica for the rest of Europe too. Let's have Europe leave the European Union.

A return of our coastal fishing communities.

A charismatic, intelligent leader.

The patronising attitude of many has been exposed. We warned you - we really did - not to look down on Leave voters as stupid, racist, and irrelevant; somehow secretly wishing a return to imperialist times.

That attitude, like with Hilary Clinton and the "deplorables", is what is costing you elections. But you just can't see beyond your own wall of bias.

Don't point the finger and blame. Look to yourself, find those faults, and reform from within. That's the only way you'll ever win a future election.

Until then, it's Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.

It's the end of the United Kingdom.

boardise

Deleted User wrote: »

This is like waiting for Leaving Certificate exam results.

The UKs career hangs in the balance!

Looks like Mr, Johnson has indeed got his Leaving Certificate 1

greenfield21

Click on the live reporting on the BBC new homepage to go to the Livestream

Gbear

Deleted User wrote: »

The is one of the greatest moments for the United Kingdom.

A return to the nation-state. Controlling laws, borders, and monies; a replica for the rest of Europe too. Let's have Europe leave the European Union.

A return of our coastal fishing communities.

A charismatic, intelligent leader.

The patronising attitude of many has been exposed. We warned you - we really did - not to look down on Leave voters as stupid, racist, and irrelevant; somehow wishing a return to imperialist times.

That attitude, like with Hilary Clinton and the "deplorables", is what is costing you elections.

Don't point the finger and blame. Look to yourself, find those faults, and reform from within. That's the only way you'll ever win a future election.

Until then, it's Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.

This is a bewildering mess of contradictions.

Yes, bi-lateralism is the real imperialism while autarchy, nationalism and single party rule under a "charismatic and intelligent leader" is the new freedom.

Cascading income inequality is fine so long as we've a few more carp to drag out of the dwindling supplies from our overfished territorial waters.

People who aren't Tories don't reject the fiction the Tories are selling; the sunny uplands of unfettered capitalism bring peace and prosperity to all.

They reject the reality they will bring, which is funneling every last penny into the pockets of a few aristocrats while the plebs are left to gnaw on old bones.

Berserker

liamtech wrote: »

I have been SERIOUSLY critical of Jeremy Corbyn pal - honestly - and i blame him on this defeat - not for his policy, but for an inability to be pragmatic

Question is who leads labour out of this

Fair enough. Once Labour gets shot of JC, I think they'll rise again. Any sensible front bencher, who is not in his gang, will set them on the right path.

irishfeen wrote: »

Well that’s Scotland gone..

Nowhere to be exact. They need a second referendum and that is not going to happen.

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Are Wales traditionally this conservative? They appear more English then the English are.

Always struggled to get to grips with them. They blame the EU for their woes despite the fact that they've done well from membership. Didn't get the impression that they were overly keen on London either though, so it's hard to know where they stand. Used to go to one of our offices in Swansea and it is a bleak spot.

Itssoeasy

Curiously on BBC radio four it seems that in the exit poll 65 seats are apparently "too close to call" which I think is an interesting wrinkle to this exit poll. Obviously those seats won't break all one way or another.

AllGunsBlazing

10000maniacs wrote: »

The minority who said they don’t care if Brexit happens seemed beyond reasoned debate in the last few months. That's where labour lost their 70 seats.
If only Corbyn got off his cowardly fence.

The EU are a massive stumbling block in his plans for re-nationalization. He wants out as much as any brexiteer but he couldn't afford to have his fingerprints on it. He was caught in a catch-22. Had Britain stumbled out of the EU earlier he could have pointed the finger of blame at the conservatives and possibly walked into no.10 in the aftermath.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Aye Wales have traditionally been quite English.

Having lived in Wales for a time, I can say that you'll be lucky to get out of the pub unscathed if you say that!

awec

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The is one of the greatest moments for the United Kingdom.

A return to the nation-state. Controlling laws, borders, and monies; a replica for the rest of Europe too. Let's have Europe leave the European Union.

A return of our coastal fishing communities.

A charismatic, intelligent leader.

The patronising attitude of many has been exposed. We warned you - we really did - not to look down on Leave voters as stupid, racist, and irrelevant; somehow secretly wishing a return to imperialist times.

That attitude, like with Hilary Clinton and the "deplorables", is what is costing you elections. But you just can't see beyond your own wall of bias.

Don't point the finger and blame. Look to yourself, find those faults, and reform from within. That's the only way you'll ever win a future election.

Until then, it's Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.

But you’re an immigrant? You do realise that when they talk about controlling borders they are talking about people like you, right?

I’ll ask you once again to articulate what you like about brexit, and hold out hope that maybe this time you’ll be able to answer.

Lefty Bicek

listermint wrote: »

Kip of a country.


Grand . Leave them off byyye

For all it's faults, historical and current, it is not a kip of a country. Far from it.

For a lot of us, and those of us who have loved ones there still, it was a place of great opportunity, employment, education, home-owning, of getting out of this backward kip as it was in the '80's and beforehand.

Your post really smacks of an inability to accept democracy, and not only that, of another sovereign state's democracy. Like, who the actual f... do you think you are ? ? ?

It is one of life's small pleasures to see people like you on the wrong side of any result.

Itssoeasy

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Coal was never going to survive gloval warming/climate change was it? It was doomed no matter what Maggie did.

Well lots of industry of that type were never going to survive in their former glories regardless of what happened in the last twenty years of the 20th century.

Arthur Daley

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Curiously on BBC radio four it seems that in the exit poll 65 seats are apparently "too close to call" which I think is an interesting wrinkle to this exit poll. Obviously those seats won't break all one way or another.

Not be surprised if the exit poll is a little bit skewed towards the tories. And majority is 60/70

joe40

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Well that's us ****ed here in the North. Corbyn will go down as one of the most inept and incompetent party leaders of all time. How he failed against the shambles of May and Boris is dumbfounding.

Those who proposed him to 'widen the debate' in the Labour leadership election must be hanging their heads in embarrassment.

This brings us Brexit at end of January and probably the breakup of the United Kingdom in the medium term.

Genuinely surprised about the majority prediction and wondering what the future holds for us now.

But if this was mostly about Brexit, any labour leader that wasn't fully in favour of Brexit was going to struggle. This seems to have been a one item election.
In any normal circumstances a bungling leader like Johnson running scared of interviews would have been destroyed. This was all Brexit and he was their man.

BorneTobyWilde

DUP '' he won't get a deal through his own party''

Itssoeasy

Deleted User wrote: »

Having lived in Wales for a time, I can say that you'll be lucky to get out of the pub unscathed if you say that!

Yeah I mean I've never been to wales but I've talked to and know a few Welsh people and that statement you are quoting even I know that's a stupid thing to say.

splinter65

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Coal was never going to survive gloval warming/climate change was it? It was doomed no matter what Maggie did.

She just closed the mines 5 years before they would have closed anyway.
Because it was over.
She saved the country a fortune in borrowed money keeping it open.

splinter65

joe40 wrote: »

But if this was mostly about Brexit, any labour leader that wasn't fully in favour of Brexit was going to struggle. This seems to have been a one item election.
In any normal circumstances a bungling leader like Johnson running scared of interviews would have been destroyed. This was all Brexit and he was their man.

What bungling was that?

devnull

Seeing some of the people involved in Momentum posting on Twitter is depressing reading.

Apparently their hero lost because
1) The media smeared him
2) People in his own party smeared him.
3) Blairites
4) Tory Lite types

The fact that he lost because of the fact that the public just didn't like him enough, doesn't occur to Momentum.

If Momentum carry on with this and get a new extreme left leader in then they'll get hammered in 2024 as well.

As I said before, so many people in UK I know who voted for remain voted Tory tonight, as they felt Corbyn was more dangerous than Brexit. This is what Jeremy Corbyn has done to the Labour Party. He has made them unelectable even to people who were remain who hate the Tories.