General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

AllGunsBlazing

The Libs had a decent run about 10 years ago tbf. Even got into government.

listermint

splinter65 wrote: »

Tell that to all the people lying on trollies, sleeping in hotels, sleeping rough, suffering from cervical cancer, traveling hundreds of miles for cancer services this Christmas, living in DP, closing down businesses....
I know your bitterly disappointed that there won’t be a socialist PM in Downing St in the morning but you need to get things in perspective.

No ones claiming Ireland doesn't have it's problems no one.

But pretending that the vast majority of people don't have it good is odd. There's a reason it's voted internationally consistently as best place to live . Higher than the UK btw. And it's not ourselves voting.


None of that changes that there is problems.no where's perfect but some concentrate and only ever talk about the problems always and forever

Harry Palmr

Deleted User wrote: »

The electorate have spoken and opted to Brexit and to support Johnson's Deal.

I know we said this in 2016, but dare I say we need to say it again: we need to respect the result of the election.

Accept Brexit - or lose more elections.

It's your choice.

Is there any chance you could stop posting slogans? It's getting quite tiresome reading variations of the same few bulletin points.

Itssoeasy

letowski wrote: »

Another lesson from this, is that social media is a terrible reflection on voting trends.

All around social media the talk was Labour were closing and a hung parliament was on the cards.

Nothing could have been further from the truth.

The reality is most people on the ground are very skeptical of far left policies.

Anyone who takes social media as gospel needs a talking to. Hashtags and social media aren't votes in a ballot box.

flazio

flazio wrote: »

Quick question.
How come the Liberal Democrats are never really contenders in this?

They betrayed their voters after the 2010 election while in coalition with Tories.

Bit like Irish Labour after 2011 here.

Berserker

Deleted User wrote: »

The electorate have spoken and opted to Brexit and to support Johnson's Deal.

I know we said this in 2016, but dare I say we need to say it again: we need to respect the result of the election.

Accept Brexit - or lose more elections.

It's your choice.

Agree with most of what you say but this vote was not an endorsement of the latest deal for me. It hammered home the message that Brexit must be done and the democracy must be respected. A new deal or no deal is good with me.

Itssoeasy

Nigel Farage is on BBC radio 4 claiming that its being a good night for him.

quokula

It’s interesting to live through the point in history that witnessed the end of the United Kingdom I guess.

I still feel so sorry for all the people who suffer from illness or disability who will see their quality of life destroyed and their life ended prematurely because of this vote.

And as for the destructive effect it will have on the environment and future habitability of the planet. I’m not saying labour would have solved this problem but as the first government of a major western power get into power and take it seriously that would have been transformative.

I’ve lost some faith in humanity tonight.

markodaly

devnull wrote: »

And tonight is the result of Jeremy Corbyn's destruction of the Labour Party.

He's turned the party into the hard left which has a decent chunk of fanatics but has alienated a large part of the country that could never vote for them. I have met many people who hate the Tories with a passion but could never vote for Corbyn.

With less extreme policies, a proper stance on Brexit and less of the 1960s rubbish, I know many would have voted Labour. However Brexiteers couldn't vote for him, business people couldn't vote for him, many centerists couldn't vote for him and many remainers couldn't either.

I guess Corbyn was hoping everyone on twitter was going to vote for him in exchange by alienting all those voters.

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They betrayed their voters after the 2010 election while in coalition with Tories.

Bit like Irish Labour after 2011 here.

I think it was more their outright anti-democratic stance to revoke Article 50 without further reference to the people.

For Forks Sake

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

The Libs had a decent run about 10 years ago tbf. Even got into government.

Promptly took a walloping from an electorate with no idea of what compromises are required in a coalition programme for government. See also Labour here 2011-16

AllGunsBlazing

Deleted User wrote: »

They betrayed their voters after the 2010 election while in coalition with Tories.

Bit like Irish Labour after 2011 here.

yep, or the greens before them.

Blanco100

im no sinn feiner but Carruthers is not used to an articulate shinner like Eoin O'Broin. He has confused him 😂

liamtech

Alastair Campbell on RTE 1 at the moment -

Just trying to alert people to interviews that are on

Infini

Deleted User wrote: »

The is one of the greatest moments for the United Kingdom.

That remains to be seen it's all well bragging on that you've won this and that but their past performance and behavior in the arena suggests the opposite.

Deleted User wrote: »

A return to the nation-state. Controlling laws, borders, and monies; a replica for the rest of Europe too. Let's have Europe leave the European Union.

Last time I checked the OPPOSITE has happened in Europe, if anything Britain leaving and their brutal performance has essentially reinforced Unity not weakened it, if Britain leaves then we cant stop them but there will be serious costs for such vainglorious stupidity ones in which the ordinary Brit ends up suffering.

Deleted User wrote: »

A return of our coastal fishing communities.

Tariffs say hello.

Deleted User wrote: »

A charismatic, intelligent leader.

Charisma yes, Intelligent no, he's a cute hoor and a chancer.

Deleted User wrote: »

The patronising attitude of many has been exposed. We warned you - we really did - not to look down on Leave voters as stupid, racist, and irrelevant; somehow secretly wishing a return to imperialist times.

Bit assuming yourself there mate, many people dont look down on people for voting leaving there's certainly legitimate frustrations BUT I'm do feel people are voting purely on emotion and fatigue thinking if they vote Tory it will just be done with, it wont it will drag on and on and on.

Deleted User wrote: »

That attitude, like with Hilary Clinton and the "deplorables", is what is costing you elections. But you just can't see beyond your own wall of bias.

Hillary lost because she assumed she'd won and got too entitled thinking it was in the bag, didnt stop to listen to the frustrations and in the end Trumpy got lucky because the Democrat vote didnt come out like for Obama. Just because she lost doesnt mean the one who won is any better its just been a total trainwreck with him but thats mainly for the other thread.

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't point the finger and blame. Look to yourself, find those faults, and reform from within. That's the only way you'll ever win a future election.

Until then, it's Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.

This is an Irish Forum not an English one, if anything the likely feeling from here when things ultimately go down the toilet will be something akin to that skit from Family Guy "black woman in hindsight" or that old classic "Doom Ron Paul". We can warn you against it, can feel sorry for the honest ones living there but if you vote to wreck your own country it's on your head not ours. If anything we get to see an Independent Scotland and get the North Back finally and dont have to deal with any of this on our little island anymore.

And as for Trumpy we've yet to see how that goes next year.

josip

flazio wrote: »

Quick question.
How come the Liberal Democrats are never really contenders in this?

FPTP means that in most constituencies a vote for them is a wasted vote.

Itssoeasy

Haha BBC radio 4 trying to get Michael gove to thank Nigel Farage and it's not happening obviously.

splinter65

listermint wrote: »

No ones claiming Ireland doesn't have it's problems no one.

But pretending that the vast majority of people don't have it good is odd. There's a reason it's voted internationally consistently as best place to live . Higher than the UK btw. And it's not ourselves voting.


None of that changes that there is problems.no where's perfect but some concentrate and only ever talk about the problems always and forever

You can say that because your not lying on a trolley and you obviously don’t give a damn about anyone who is.
You’re in some kind of stupid childish competition in your head about which country is the best to live in.
Grow up.

Letwin_Larry

PressRun wrote: »

Find it amazing that this "get Brexit done" narrative was never really challenged. Brexit is not an event like New Year's Eve that just gets "done" when the clock strikes midnight and then we all go back to normal again. Utterly absurd notion that was being parroted by voters.

agreed but the alternative was endless dither and delay, 2nd Referemdum, back to Brussels etc. etc. etc.

clearly they feel the Tory option offered more certainty/less uncertainty.

AllGunsBlazing

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Promptly took a walloping from an electorate with no idea of what compromises are required in a coalition programme for government. See also Labour here 2011-16

Better off in opposition but I guess the whiff of some degree of power must be powerful stuff. I believe what's his face is shilling for Facebook now.

4068ac1elhodqr

Very unlikely, but still wonder if the exit polls are a bit off, have memories of backing the Trump at 10/1 just as very early counting started.

NoMaj is hovering around around/over 50/1, but that does also demonstrate the implied climb they would need.
Anyway, worth a wait until the very 1st actual results arrive, rather than hearsay or polls.

Strazdas

liamtech wrote: »

Alastair Campbell on RTE 1 at the moment -

Just trying to alert people to interviews that are on

He says that the Corbyn - McDonnell "experiment" has failed and seen to have failed......the UK public had no interest in it.

Arthur Daley

75 mins in without a result?

Francie Barrett

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

DUP '' he won't get a deal through his own party''

It's shocking that Sammy Wilson still hasn't realised that the political ground has shifted and that the DUP are once again no longer relevant.

Harry Palmr

BBC Parliament channel has it's own coverage - edit it's BBC Scotland but not that BBC Scotland if you know what I mean,

Itssoeasy

Michael gove is hoping he could leave the BBC studio and Farage is clearly loving it.

For Forks Sake

Strazdas wrote: »

He says that the Corbyn - McDonnell "experiment" has failed and seen to have failed......the UK public had no interest in it.

He's not wrong.

Strazdas

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

agreed but the alternative was endless dither and delay, 2nd Referemdum, back to Brussels etc. etc. etc.

clearly they feel the Tory option offered more certainty/less uncertainty.

Peter Foster said the other day that he thought the EU secretly wanted a big Johnson win.

Capt'n Midnight

Blanco100 wrote: »

Sammy is all about Stormont now. Suppose they have to try and look like they care about their own now.

A Tory majority will render the DUP powerless in Westminster
PIP and NHS cuts and strikes and an Irish Sea border will also add pressure.

Either they get Stormont back up to sort out the Health Service ASAP or risk an earlier border poll.


BTW to while away the time here's a nice little ditty which summarises how the much the MLA's have accomplished in recent years.
https://youtu.be/nYZLx6mkqUA

Blanco100

Never seen such a u-turn by a party as DUP tonight. After that exit poll its all about the assembly again.

If Boris needed their help there would be more important matters like trying to drive a wedge between north and south.