General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

sid waddell

Rjd2 wrote: »

I'm not saying it will be the majority far from it, but Starmer will get hit by the identity politics obsessives online especially if he faces Long Bailey.

It seems it's yourself who's most obsessed with "identity politics".

We've just seeen identity politics win, by they way.

It's the identity politics of white English ethno-nationalism.

Joe_ Public

The labour membership has a young profile that is very pro eu and immigration. Momentum doesnt control the whole thing. Starmer will have every chance to press his case i think.

Leonard Hofstadter

On a more positive note, at least the SDLP now have two seats! They haven't gone away you know!

Rjd2

Berger and Chuka lost tonight,,,assume the next lib dem leader will be Ed Davey or Layla Moran as well not many options is there.

liamtech

Luciana Berger 17600
Mike Freer 24162
Ross Houston 13347


Luciana Berger is out

And her constituency sums up why FPTP is wrong

nearly 30,000 AGAINST brexit
elects Tory Pro Brexit MP

also highlights Jeremy Corbyns refusal to be pragmatic and co-operate

farce

fiveleavesleft

I see Labour have held Oldham West & Royton, don't know the labour guy just glad the seat the late & much missed Micheal Meacher held for near 50 years hasn't fallen.

fiveleavesleft

liamtech wrote: »

Luciana Berger 17600
Mike Freer 24162
Ross Houston 13347


Luciana Berger is out

Might soften Alastair Campbell's cough, doubt it:P

Joe_ Public

Are lib dems going to make double figures? Not sure what they've left to come.

liamtech

Conservative - Mark Fletcher: 21,791

Liberal Democrats - David Hancock: 1,759

Brexit Party - Kevin Harper: 4,151

Independent - Natalie Hoy: 517

Green - David Kesteven: 758

Labour - Dennis Skinner: 16,492

Independent - Ross Walker: 517

Skinner is gone

fiveleavesleft

Interestingly after Tony Blairs old seat went early in the night, Gordon Browns old seat has now gone as well.

fiveleavesleft

liamtech wrote: »

Conservative - Mark Fletcher: 21,791

Liberal Democrats - David Hancock: 1,759

Brexit Party - Kevin Harper: 4,151

Independent - Natalie Hoy: 517

Green - David Kesteven: 758

Labour - Dennis Skinner: 16,492

Independent - Ross Walker: 517

Skinner is gone

Terrible, represented the seat since 1970, gave his wages to the miners, anti EU all his life, by all accounts was a good MP, a fine, if eccentric Parliamentarian & now he's gone, just to "GET IT DONE":(

The White Wolf

Just reading some of the reactions from Labour MPs and its humorous that they're blaming Corbyn for losing their seats, when they've all contributed to a broken party that the British public can't read or trust.

Corbyn has to go of course, but he's by no means the only one that needs to be thrown out of that party.

Rjd2

fiveleavesleft wrote: »

Terrible, represented the seat since 1970, gave his wages to the miners, anti EU all his life, by all accounts was a good MP, a fine, if eccentric Parliamentarian & now he's gone, just to "GET IT DONE":(

Agreed, but to play devil's advocate he is 87 surely that's to old to be standing for reelection?

fiveleavesleft

The White Wolf wrote: »

Just reading some of the reactions from Labour MPs and its humorous that they're blaming Corbyn for losing their seats, when they've all contributed to a broken party that the British public can't read or trust.

Corbyn has to go of course, but he's by no means the only one that needs to be thrown out of that party.

Exactly, Thornberry in her cringy EU outfit was a disgrace, seems a deeply unlikeable person

fiveleavesleft

Rjd2 wrote: »

Agreed, but to play devil's advocate he is 87 surely that's to old to be standing for reelection?

I'd alway prefer a dusty old duffer like Skinner or Ken Clarke with genuine beliefs than the new breed of Chukka, Matt Hancock, Simon Harris types:)

sid waddell

Liverpool Riverside: Labour 41k Tory 4k
Liverpool Walton: Labour 39k Tory 4k
Bootle: Labour 39k Tory 4k
Liverpool West Derby: Labour 34k Tory 4k
Liverpool Wavertree: Labour 31k Tory 4k

No Tory seat or remotely close to one in Liverpool or Wirral.

Liverpool doesn't suffer Tory fools.

liamtech

Probably have to start another thread on the UK Labour Party

But honestly - people standing by Momentum, and Corbyn - at this stage = makes me sick

i said it weeks ago - that we needed co-operation between all of the Anti Brexit Parties - we didnt get it

And now here we are

vladmydad

liamtech wrote: »

Probably have to start another thread on the UK Labour Party

But honestly - people standing by Momentum, and Corbyn - at this stage = makes me sick

i said it weeks ago - that we needed co-operation between all of the Anti Brexit Parties - we didnt get it

And now here we are

Who’s “we”. You’re making the exact same mistake as the leftist twitter mobs. Not everyone shares your opinions. I’m delighted with the result. It feels like 2016 all over again. I’m just waiting for this nationalist wave to hit Irish politics.

Wanderer78

Is this the end of the uk?

liamtech

vladmydad wrote: »

Who’s “we”. You’re making the exact same mistake as the leftist twitter mobs. Not everyone shares your opinions. I’m delighted with the result. It feels like 2016 all over again. I’m just waiting for this nationalist wave to hit Irish politics.

It wasnt directed at anyone in particular

when i said WE - i mean in relation to boards? because obviously there is now going to be a separate debate debate on Labours future and where that party goes moving forward - and obviously the Election 2019 Thread is not the best place to have it

Thats what i meant - i never said that we all share the same opinion

Wanderer78

vladmydad wrote:

Who’s “weâ€. You’re making the exact same mistake as the leftist twitter mobs. Not everyone shares your opinions. I’m delighted with the result. It feels like 2016 all over again. I’m just waiting for this nationalist wave to hit Irish politics.

Hopefully that doesn't happen, there doesn't seem to be much energy behind it here, but I do expect it to raise its head again at the ge.

Macdarack

If there's wan good thing to come out of this charade it's nigel dodds losing his seat, to sinn fein. Ha ha ha ha ha, what a gimp, the worst head in politics.

igCorcaigh

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Is this the end of the uk?

Looking that way.

I'm actually shocked by tonight's result.
I really thought/hoped Labour's social programme would win over English nationalism. I was so wrong.

vladmydad

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Is this the end of the uk?

No. They want to (and will) keep Scotland but most Mainland British have no interest in NI and truthfully even the tories want rid of it. I think a border poll could pass but it would be the end of ROI. We’d become some sort of a federation with a constitutional guaranteed protestant parliamentary quota.

igCorcaigh

liamtech wrote: »

Probably have to start another thread on the UK Labour Party

But honestly - people standing by Momentum, and Corbyn - at this stage = makes me sick

i said it weeks ago - that we needed co-operation between all of the Anti Brexit Parties - we didnt get it

And now here we are

And I would have disagreed with you just hours ago.

I thought the British people cared more for society over Brexit fantasies. But you are correct. Here we are.

Enzokk

The White Wolf wrote: »

Just reading some of the reactions from Labour MPs and its humorous that they're blaming Corbyn for losing their seats, when they've all contributed to a broken party that the British public can't read or trust.

Corbyn has to go of course, but he's by no means the only one that needs to be thrown out of that party.

This is on Corbyn and his cult supporters. They hounded out the likes of Berger and it has come back to bite them. You can try to minimize antisemitism in Labour but it played a role with non-Labour members. That and the likes of Owen Jones who had his underwear in twist when the tactical voting recommendations came out. They were so focused on seeing Corbyn in no.10 they didn't see the pitfalls.

Swinson and Corbyn gave Johnson the election he wanted at the time he wanted. They had the numbers is Parliament for a caretaker government and they spaffed it up the wall.

liamtech wrote: »

Probably have to start another thread on the UK Labour Party

But honestly - people standing by Momentum, and Corbyn - at this stage = makes me sick

i said it weeks ago - that we needed co-operation between all of the Anti Brexit Parties - we didnt get it

And now here we are

There are so many seats where with cooperation it could have been different, but no use crying over spilt milk now. Labour should be able to come back from this stronger and ready to take over in 5 years, but only if they are honest with themselves. The attempts to get rid of Watson and the attacks on the Lib Dems when the enemy has always been the Tories will be some if the huge gaffs they made. I see the likes of Jones and Bastani has been quiet on Twitter. I know why, but unless they have an honest reflection on the country and their party, then it will not change.

vladmydad

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Hopefully that doesn't happen, there doesn't seem to be much energy behind it here, but I do expect it to raise its head again at the ge.

We’re always many years behind when it comes to change of any sort. It won’t be the next election but it will come, especially if our political establishment keep ignoring growing unease with current immigration levels.

liamtech

igCorcaigh wrote: »

And I would have disagreed with you just hours ago.

I thought the British people cared more for society over Brexit fantasies. But you are correct. Here we are.

Look i slated Corbyn before the election was called - and at the beginning of the campaign too - not on him being a socialist. im a socialist.

I slated him for lack of co-operation and pragmatism

But i hoped and prayed, and EVEN STARTED to believe that Labour could hang this parliament

but.... well... here we are

vladmydad

Enzokk wrote: »

This is on Corbyn and his cult supporters. They hounded out the likes of Berger and it has come back to bite them. You can try to minimize antisemitism in Labour but it played a role with non-Labour members. That and the likes of Owen Jones who had his underwear in twist when the tactical voting recommendations came out. They were so focused on seeing Corbyn in no.10 they didn't see the pitfalls.

Swinson and Corbyn gave Johnson the election he wanted at the time he wanted. They had the numbers is Parliament for a caretaker government and they spaffed it up the wall.





There are so many seats where with cooperation it could have been different, but no use crying over spilt milk now. Labour should be able to come back from this stronger and ready to take over in 5 years, but only if they are honest with themselves. The attempts to get rid of Watson and the attacks on the Lib Dems when the enemy has always been the Tories will be some if the huge gaffs they made. I see the likes of Jones and Bastani has been quiet on Twitter. I know why, but unless they have an honest reflection on the country and their party, then it will not change.

5 years !!! It normally takes multiple election cycles to recover from such defeats. It’s 1983 all over.

The White Wolf

liamtech wrote: »

Probably have to start another thread on the UK Labour Party

But honestly - people standing by Momentum, and Corbyn - at this stage = makes me sick

i said it weeks ago - that we needed co-operation between all of the Anti Brexit Parties - we didnt get it

And now here we are

What was wrong with the approach Corbyn took? He wanted to respect how half the country voted while those under him in the party wanted to dismiss them. And I'm sure Corbyn would have worked with other parties in order to deliver a safer Brexit had there not been the likes of Jo Swinson (a careerist who the people made it clear yesterday what they thought of her) demanding that he remove himself from the equation in order to do so. She saw a glimpse of power and made a fool of herself and her party in the process.

Corbyn isn't the big bad wolf here; yes he has to take his fair share of the blame, mainly because he couldn't stop the greed and arrogance within his own party. There are many, many, officials that need to take a look at themselves this morning instead of talking about the "delusion" of other people.