General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

Manach

Rather reminds me of the 1983 election, when the Labour party similiarly ran on an ideologically pure campaign and shoot itself in the foot as it did not reasonate with the electorate. Then they had the added disadavantage of it being a Khaki election due to the Falklands, so it makes the current result even comparatively worse for them.

GhostyMcGhost

Can’t believe the people voted in droves for Ian Paisley Jr after what he did

robinph

So the Tory vote is essentially the same as in 2017, the number of seats jumps massively. Lib Dems increase their vote, but lose seats.

It's all very different to what was expected, in the significance of the majority, but is basically down to Labour not turning up to vote rather than there being a massive shift nationwide to support Tories anymore than before.

VinLieger

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Can’t believe the people voted in droves for Ian Paisley Jr after what he did

Do you not understand how NI politicis works?

FrancieBrady

VinLieger wrote: »

Do you not understand how NI politicis works?

It's no longer working the way it used to. Seismic changes.

Beechwoodspark

Tommy Gorman on sounding devastated his beloved Dup didn’t win

ILoveYourVibes

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's no longer working the way it used to. Seismic changes.

Everyone keeps thinking the Alliance party is nationalist ..its not...its a neutral party on that issue just one that has people from unionist and nationalist backgrounds. Its definitely not a nationalist party. Its just one with some Irish people in it. The DUP MAKES it look like a nationalist party just by comparison.

They have changed the designation of their MLAS to unionist or nationalist in the past to help politicians they deem a good fit.

Honestly its existance is a good thing. They are not sectarian and seem to be full of good skins.

Also glad to see the sdlp get 2 seats back. It honestly hasnt changed that much though.

The DUP is still the biggest single part in NI.

What has changed drastically ...is that the TORIES no longer NEED the DUP. So they are meaningless now in the uk.

I thought it would be a narrow margin of increase for the Tories. But didn't forsee the landslide.

I support lab values and would have voted for lab. But i hated corbyn and thought he was one of the more unpleasant people in politics. Rude ..arrogant and often petty with a pretty bizarre sense of priorities. He was just incapable and stupid. I think his moral compass was way way off sometimes.

Boris got in basically saying he would behave like a socialist without saying the word socialist....whereas Corbyn was NEVER a socialist and was always a populist with a strange set of priorities that made no sense.

ednwireland

the problem is Corbyn is an out and out socialist and labour havent had a leader like that since Michael foot. the problem is I suspect he didnt really believe in labour policies as they weren't socialist enough.
well done to boris though definitely ran the right campaign for him

Tired Gardener

National turnout: 67.25% according to The Guardian. So just over two thirds.

I think this is it for Labour, the UK is morphing into a one party country, with no clear opposition.

Hard Brexit in February.

MrMusician18

vladmydad wrote: »

Who’s “we”. You’re making the exact same mistake as the leftist twitter mobs. Not everyone shares your opinions. I’m delighted with the result. It feels like 2016 all over again. I’m just waiting for this nationalist wave to hit Irish politics.

I suspect that won't happen here, not for a while anyway. The reason this right wing nationalism hasn't taken hold so far is because there is no media organization willing to give it a platform. The independent has flirted with it, but Irish journos are centre left by nature so any attempt to get it going has petered out.

VinLieger

For an idea of how broken FPTP truly is consider the Tories got only 44% of the vote but manage to get 56% of the seats.

How is that democracy?

stefanovich

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I suspect that won't happen here, not for a while anyway. The reason this right wing nationalism hasn't taken hold so far is because there is no media organization willing to give it a platform. The independent has flirted with it, but Irish journos are centre left by nature so any attempt to get it going has petered out.

The only real right wing journalist was silenced by the outrage mob.

looksee

As a 'long time gone' Brit I am depressed by the result. Ireland needs to take care of itself now, Britain deserves its government.

By all accounts though the Pound has soared, why is that?

stefanovich

VinLieger wrote: »

For an idea of how broken FPTP truly is consider the Tories got only 44% of the vote but manage to get 56% of the seats.

How is that democracy?

Without it we'd never have escaped this Brexit stalemate.

Bit cynical

Manach wrote: »

Rather reminds me of the 1983 election, when the Labour party similiarly ran on an ideologically pure campaign and shoot itself in the foot as it did not reasonate with the electorate. Then they had the added disadavantage of it being a Khaki election due to the Falklands, so it makes the current result even comparatively worse for them.

I don't think Labour's brexit plan was ideologically pure. It tried to appeal to all sides while avoiding a definite position. Unfortunately the electorate saw through it.

gmisk

stefanovich wrote: »

The only real right wing journalist was silenced by the outrage mob.

Who is that?

Nigel Dodds lost his seat lol delighted

ILoveYourVibes

ednwireland wrote: »

the problem is Corbyn is an out and out socialist

No he isn't. He isn't a socialist at all.

The man is a populist.

He is NOT a true socialist. He is the type to run from unions.

Economic socialism is not about taxes its about public assets and how they are distributed.

What Boris said about pouring money into the NHS ...that IS socialism.


Corbyn is all about getting 10 p off your credit card debt or something. That isn't socialism.....he is all about unions having secondary strikes for the PR opertunity..that isn't socialism...in fact it endangers people socialism says its trying to protect.

Boris's promises out socialized the 'socialist'.

And no I don't like Tories. And i would have voted labour.

But please don't tell me the mining towns that were a part of the red wall don't know a socialist from a useless populist who spends his time thinking more about the indian caste system than them.

It doesn't matter now ..he's gone. Sadly ....Dennis Skinner is gone..NOW THAT IS A REAL SOCIALIST.

VinLieger

stefanovich wrote: »

Without it we'd never have escaped this Brexit stalemate.

So the ends justify the means?

ILoveYourVibes

Bit cynical wrote: »

I don't think Labour's brexit plan was ideologically pure. It tried to appeal to all sides while avoiding a definite position. Unfortunately the electorate saw through it.

They came off incredible fake. And Corbyn came off incredible arrogant and unpleasant a good deal of the time for the last two years.

He can't NOT be rude when pressed.

He came in on a clean slate before people didn't know him. They got to know him and they didn't like him.

stoneill

Johnson won as he had a simple message for simple people.
Get Brexit Done.

Corbyn was very wishy washy, no clear message.

ILoveYourVibes

looksee wrote: »

As a 'long time gone' Brit I am depressed by the result. Ireland needs to take care of itself now, Britain deserves its government.

By all accounts though the Pound has soared, why is that?

Simple. Boris has promised lots of spending the next 2 yrs.

MrMusician18

VinLieger wrote: »

For an idea of how broken FPTP truly is consider the Tories got only 44% of the vote but manage to get 56% of the seats.

How is that democracy?

The lib dems sold their soul to the Tories to change the voting system, but both the Tories and labour opposed it, and the British people rejected it.

VinLieger

On top of how broken FPTP is this also continues the trend that in the last 70 years only ONE government has been elected by the majority of the UK electorate and it was the lib dem/conservative coalition

VinLieger

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The lib dems sold their soul to the Tories to change the voting system, but both the Tories and labour opposed it, and the British people rejected it.

Lets be honest here the British people didn't understand what they were voting for in that referendum, it was not explained adequately and that was the fault of those supporting it which when that happens its completely fair to maintain the status quo.

facehugger99

looksee wrote: »

As a 'long time gone' Brit I am depressed by the result. Ireland needs to take care of itself now, Britain deserves its government.

By all accounts though the Pound has soared, why is that?

Because the alternative to Boris winning was Corbyn.

20silkcut

looksee wrote: »

As a 'long time gone' Brit I am depressed by the result. Ireland needs to take care of itself now, Britain deserves its government.

By all accounts though the Pound has soared, why is that?

Decisive result. DUP and ERG both neutralised.
And Farage to some extent.

Fr Tod Umptious

So the Tory plan of 2015 finally pays off.

Stuff the Labour leadership ballot box at £15 a go with votes of the un-electable Corbyn.

I'm happy with the result
A clear mandate to move on to the next stage of Brexit in January, which had to be done.
and the DUP not only sidelined but they got a kicking locally and Dodds lost his seat

Oafley Jones

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They came off incredible fake. And Corbyn came off incredible arrogant and unpleasant a good deal of the time for the last two years.

He can't NOT be rude when pressed.

He came in on a clean slate before people didn't know him. They got to know him and they didn't like him.

I've said it a few times before, but by far the Tories biggest asset has been Jeremy Corbyn. I genuinely don't understand why they stuck by him, what drew people towards him. If you can't make gains with the open goal that has been the Tory Party over the past few years, then something is radically wrong.

He lacks completely in charisma, he didn't provide an effective opposition, his policies were muddled at best, his stubbornness. He's in no way suited to front bench politics, he's a student union politician that never grew up.

I think the late Clive James summed him up perfectly..."I admire the way his principles are uninhibited by reason."

ILoveYourVibes

facehugger99 wrote: »

Because the alternative to Boris winning was Corbyn.

They needn't have worried he would be too busy getting the NHS to fund homeopathy treatment and getting 'women only carriages' on trains.

I am NOT making the above up.


He had his finger on the pulse so he did.

MrMusician18

stefanovich wrote: »

The only real right wing journalist was silenced by the outrage mob.

There have been a couple of attempts to build a right wing/nationalist/conservative movement (Libertas comes to mind). Each and every time it's failed because they have failed to get media backing. Social media isn't enough.