General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

Harry Palmr

Tactical voting be damned - it's now time for tactical candidates. So much is going on and will continue to before voting day that I'd be reluctant to make any predictions about any parties fortunes (well the serious ones). I'll just expect the campaigns to be dirty and full of fake news at the end of which one of two terrible leaders will be PM.

Letwin_Larry

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Tactical voting be damned - it's now time for tactical candidates. So much is going on and will continue to before voting day that I'd be reluctant to make any predictions about any parties fortunes (well the serious ones). I'll just expect the campaigns to be dirty and full of fake news at the end of which one of two terrible leaders will be PM.

i agree Harry the UK electorate has a rotten choice to make.

one is a dodgy teflon type character who will drag the UK out of the EU, the other is a 70s socialist/marxist who will likely destroy the economy.

personally if i was a UK voter i would stay at home with a big bottle of Gin.

A Dub in Glasgo

^^^^

You only state that one side will destroy the economy and not the other side, why?

A Dub in Glasgo

Did anyone see the ITV news take on the election in Scotland? As if finding 5 oldish guys at a Golf Course in St Andrews is prepresentative of the the constituency and then they speak to 4 other unionists and present it as a tight election. Very poor manipulation indeed from ITV

https://twitter.com/Macnessie/status/1194356581644636164

A Dub in Glasgo

Last one from me tonight - Paul Mason nails in it in this clip with his response to Elliot

https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/1194156424668028928

darem93

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Did anyone see the ITV news take on the election in Scotland? As if finding 5 oldish guys at a Golf Course in St Andrews is prepresentative of the the constituency and then they speak to 4 other unionists and present it as a tight election. Very poor manipulation indeed from ITV

https://twitter.com/Macnessie/status/1194356581644636164

They don't even try to hide their bias. Just more of the same 'SNP BAD!!' drivel from the mainstream British media.

Letwin_Larry

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

^^^^

You only state that one side will destroy the economy and not the other side, why?

the clue is in my description of the man.

BonnieSituation

Watching Paul Mason sent me down a Twitter rabbit hole-

Is anyone falling for the bumbling idiot routine any more? This is just ludicrous.

(The Prole Star are obviously very pro-Labour, but the video is just ghastly)

https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1193527127385264128?s=09

LeinsterDub

https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1194395872882245632?s=19

Independent Tories and former Tories under the Lib Dem banner could swing this election

Leroy42

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

the clue is in my description of the man.

Yeah, but you seem to be completely certain that Labour policies will lead to economic mismanagement but don't appear to see that Tory mismanagement, including but not limited to Brexit, is having and could could have even worse, implications.

UK are just about staving off a recession, despite the huge amount of work undertaken by the central bank. Despite the relative collapse in Stg which should have lead to a massive increase in exports.

After 10 years of austerity, austerity the Tories told us was required in order to ensure the economy could flourish, we have a stagnent economy.

So you fears are misplaced. Whether Labour policies will result in economic damage is of course open to discussion and debate, but we already know the effect of what the Tories have done and even the most ardent Brexiteer is not claiming that a No Deal or Johnson deal will result in any economic benefits.

It is a terrible choice I would argue, but staying with the current crowd makes no logical sense.

Bannasidhe

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah, but you seem to be completely certain that Labour policies will lead to economic mismanagement but don't appear to see that Tory mismanagement, including but not limited to Brexit, is having and could could have even worse, implications.

UK are just about staving off a recession, despite the huge amount of work undertaken by the central bank. Despite the relative collapse in Stg which should have lead to a massive increase in exports.

After 10 years of austerity, austerity the Tories told us was required in order to ensure the economy could flourish, we have a stagnent economy.

So you fears are misplaced. Whether Labour policies will result in economic damage is of course open to discussion and debate, but we already know the effect of what the Tories have done and even the most ardent Brexiteer is not claiming that a No Deal or Johnson deal will result in any economic benefits.

It is a terrible choice I would argue, but staying with the current crowd makes no logical sense.

The damage done by Tory Austerity Policies is writ large across the UK. Not just to the still stagnant economy but to the lives of the people. The only 'growth industry' in parts of the country are food banks. The health service is on the point of collapse. Homelessness is skyrocketing. Sterling is plummeting. Crime is on the increase.
The Tory solution? We will borrow money to kind of reverse the cuts we made (but not fully) which is not an admission that the cuts were bad or that our polices of cuttings didn't work.
In the meanwhile we will ensure we crash out of the large trading bloc on our doorstep and try and make deals with places far far away. Some of the family silver may have to be used to grease the deals coff coff NHS coff coff.
LET'S BREXIT - p.s. Labour will crash the economy m'kay.

In summary: the Tory's will bring a mop to a flood while trying to negotiate a deal for sandbags with Australia.

But what is this Labour policy that is worse than a Hard Brexit?

It's borrow money to invest in the UK. One could even call it a policy of 3 Rs. Relief. Recovery. Reform.
What socialist madness is this cries Torydom. It will never work! History shows us such policies will blah blah 1970s blah blah.

But the real student of history will recognise the political philosophy behind the 3 Rs.
And those with sense will say it's about time someone looked at how that 'commie' (:P) Roosevelt kick started the US after it became obvious that austerity was simply prolonging the Great Depression.

If both parties are apparently going to destroy the economy then why stick with the party that will offer more of the same and a sure fire plunge off a cliff? - I reckon give the crowd who are at least willing to try and fix the problems not deny they exist a chance.

Joe_ Public

There was a banner headline on one of the news channels the other day that pretty much summed up 9 years of austerity rule: "UK avoids going into recession". Gov was soon spinning it as a big win until they could get back to the comfortable ground of just attacking the opposition.

blanch152

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

^^^^

You only state that one side will destroy the economy and not the other side, why?

I think the difference between the two is that Johnson will destroy the economy by dragging the UK out of the EU, while Corbyn will destroy the economy without needing that external help.

BonnieSituation

blanch152 wrote: »

I think the difference between the two is that Johnson will destroy the economy by dragging the UK out of the EU, while Corbyn will destroy the economy without needing that external help.

But why would Corbyn's policies destroy the economy?

Leroy42

BonnieSituation wrote: »

But why would Corbyn's policies destroy the economy?

They wouldn't, sure even the Tories have sided with Labour over the need to invest in the country. This is after 10 years of austerity which they now accept is not working.

But it is Labour we need to be frightened of?

BonnieSituation

Of course! Heaven forbid we ever try something different!

Bannasidhe

BonnieSituation wrote: »

But why would Corbyn's policies destroy the economy?

Because Marxist Stalinist 1970s tax increases did we mention the 1970s and Stalin yada yada.

LeinsterDub

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

i agree Harry the UK electorate has a rotten choice to make.

one is a dodgy teflon type character who will drag the UK out of the EU, the other is a 70s socialist/marxist who will likely destroy the economy.

personally if i was a UK voter i would stay at home with a big bottle of Gin.

Seems like the Tory won't be leaving much economy left to destoy

https://twitter.com/paul_ivanovic/status/1193874995476348928

LuckyLloyd

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Canterbury was one of stand-out results in 2017, with Labour overturning a 10K majority and 103 successive years of the constituency returning a Blue.

But the Labour win was less than 200 votes which would put it in the top 5 Tory targets.
So, conscious of this the Lib Dem candidate pulled out today, specifically saying it was to avoid handing it back to the Tories. The local parliamentary party seems to be in general agreement with him.

And yet Lib Dem HQ seem to be determined to stand a candidate regardless. Without local canvassers and being a parachuted outsider they'll probably only get 1500 votes or so, but could be the difference that stops a huge Labour hold.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/12/lib-dem-candidate-stands-aside-to-avoid-nightmare-of-tory-win

You'd have to wonder what Jo Swinson's thought process is here, it really looks like Tory-enablement.

She must be hoping to go into coalition again, I’d say. She doesn’t really stand for anything politically so may have no problem cutting a deal with Johnson.

Joe_ Public

"Its the blue peter deal. Its one i made already."

"Just add water and stir."

Johnson addressing a crowd in Rugby, they just lap up his inane jokes. "The minestrone of muddle" that is labour policy. Big laugh. They think this half thought out gibberish is actually funny. Makes you despair for humanity sometimes.

Bannasidhe

Joe_ Public wrote: »

"Just add water and stir."

That one must had had them rolling in the aisles in South Yorkshire.
If the flood water have receded enough for them to get to the aisles that is.

Leroy42

He got a bit of a kicking when visiting the flood areas. Lots of people willing to basically tell him to do one, and he had no idea how to handle it. This is supposed to be the man with the common touch!

Like all political leaders you will get the usual sycophants, clapping seals happy just to be in the same area as their 'guy'.

LeinsterDub

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1194659357348311040?s=19
To paraphrase : With leaders like this who needs an opposition

Leroy42

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1194659357348311040?s=19
To paraphrase : With leaders like this who needs an opposition

It really is quite the about face that he has done. Quite amazing really and all those that were taken in by him I hope feel suitably fooled at this point.

Clearly he has cashed in his cheques and sold out.

A Dub in Glasgo

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1194605315209277440

Letwin_Larry

there is likely to be a few googlies and a few curve balls served up yet.
much will depend on how they are dealt with.

to me it looks like Johnson hasn't handled the floods in Yorkshire very well.
and now we have Corbyn suggesting they might have invited Al Baghdadi in for a cup of rosie and a nice chat, in order to apprehend him.

but how the voters will react to these is so difficult to judge.

Tell me how

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

there is likely to be a few googlies and a few curve balls served up yet.
much will depend on how they are dealt with.

to me it looks like Johnson hasn't handled the floods in Yorkshire very well.
and now we have Corbyn suggesting they might have invited Al Baghdadi in for a cup of rosie and a nice chat, in order to apprehend him.

but how the voters will react to these is so difficult to judge.

70% of voters won't react, they'll stick to party politics or brexit allegiances.
20% of voters (at least) will not vote
10% are in the swing area. It must gall politicians to have to press the flesh with so many when they know only 1 in ten or so are relevant to them doing so.

Even bigger issue in US elections.

Enzokk

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

there is likely to be a few googlies and a few curve balls served up yet.
much will depend on how they are dealt with.

to me it looks like Johnson hasn't handled the floods in Yorkshire very well.
and now we have Corbyn suggesting they might have invited Al Baghdadi in for a cup of rosie and a nice chat, in order to apprehend him.

but how the voters will react to these is so difficult to judge.

Johnson will be fearing the release of the Russia report, his past actions as Mayor of London, the economic impact of Brexit and then his daily interactions with people on the street who seem to have sussed him out quickly.

And then you have previous cabinet ministers saying this about him

https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/1194513566067576832?s=20

And the crazy thing? He could still win which should make no sense.

PopePalpatine

Bannasidhe wrote: »

That one must had had them rolling in the aisles in South Yorkshire.
If the flood water have receded enough for them to get to the aisles that is.

Come to think of it, it seems like he's trying to repeat the search engine manipulation he pulled off when talking about his bus painting hobby.

26000 Elephants

Danzy wrote: »

Just saw that bit about Corbyn saying Baghdadi should have been arrested rather than killed.

Has he anything going on at all.

I'd say there are a lot of loonies in his ear.

But I reckon the BBC have been downright prejudiced to him today. I noticed earlier on another channel Boris getting heckled and then snubbed in Warwickshire, but on the report an hour ago on BBC news it was mysteriously a sent.

However, they then cut to Corbyn in Scotland and and gave full voice to some looney cleric heckling him - and hardly has Corbyn speaking at all.

That did seem a bit overt. Am I missing something?