General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

prawnsambo · 28-11-2019 7:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I despise that type of "reasoning".

You literally used that reasoning above. Sure you aren't ignoring yourself on this forum?

Joe_ Public · 28-11-2019 7:44pm

Johnson really does think he can do or get away with anything. Not just content with ducking tonight's climate change debate - according to piece below he gave the reason that he didn't want to debate Nicola Sturgeon because she cannot become prime minister - he also seems to be making veiled threats at Channel 4 regarding its public broadcasting license if it refuses to play ball, at least according to buzzfeed anyway. That's surely crossing a line if true.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-nigel-farage-channel-4-climate-change-debate-where-ice-sculpture-1327120

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/boris-johnson-is-threatening-to-review-channel-4s

Mr.Nice Guy · 28-11-2019 7:48pm

Is it true Johnson and Farage are being replaced by 2 ice sculptures? I heard that and thought it was a genius idea but figured it wouldn't be happening.

Edit: true apparently...

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1200112941170937859

I had in my mind that it was going to be 2 lifelike ice sculptures of the two of them!

28-11-2019 7:51pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Is it true Johnson and Farage are being replaced by 2 ice sculptures? I heard that and thought it was a genius idea but figured it wouldn't be happening.

True apparently:

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1200112941170937859

I had in my mind that it was going to be 2 lifelike ice sculptures of the two of them!

People say the BBC are biased.

I think without question we can say that Channel 4 are bias-on-steroids against right-wing parties.

I don't blame Johnson for not turning up. It is a Left-wing trap.

prawnsambo · 28-11-2019 7:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

People say the BBC are biased.

I think without question we can say that Channel 4 are bias-on-steroids against right-wing parties.

I don't blame Johnson for not turning up. It is a Left-wing trap.

Yes. Because climate change only affects lefties.

It would be useful if it only affected deniers though.

28-11-2019 8:02pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yes. Because climate change only affects lefties.

It would be useful if it only affected deniers though.

I think it's a bit of stupid debate.

This is a General Election. Focussing on one very specific issue is ridiculous.

If you care about the environment and it's your #1 priority, vote Green and that's that.

No need for a 1-hour long debate.

Bannasidhe · 28-11-2019 8:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's a bit of stupid debate.

This is a General Election. Focussing on one very specific issue is ridiculous.

If you care about the environment and it's your #1 priority, vote Green and that's that.

No need for a 1-hour long debate.

One issue like Brexit for example?

prawnsambo · 28-11-2019 8:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's a bit of stupid debate.

This is a General Election. Focussing on one very specific issue is ridiculous.

If you care about the environment and it's your #1 priority, vote Green and that's that.

No need for a 1-hour long debate.

Shouldn't be focusing on brexit either if that's your logic. Or the NHS. Or any single issue people think is important. But I suspect that you just don't like Johnson being exposed as the coward he clearly is.

28-11-2019 8:11pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

One issue like Brexit for example?

prawnsambo wrote: »

Shouldn't be focusing on brexit either if that's your logic. Or the NHS. Or any single issue people think is important. But I suspect that you just don't like Johnson being exposed as the coward he clearly is.

Precisely.

I never once said a debate should be about Brexit alone.

Joe_ Public · 28-11-2019 8:11pm

At least if he gave an honest answer to why he isn't turning up, instead of using Nicola Sturgeon's attendance as some sort of principled stance he had to take. Absolutely pathetic. And sending gove along with his daddy to create a big scene at the channel 4 studios is equally risible.

Letwin_Larry · 28-11-2019 8:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

People say the BBC are biased.

I think without question we can say that Channel 4 are bias-on-steroids against right-wing parties.

I don't blame Johnson for not turning up. It is a Left-wing trap.

it's a joke of a 'debate'.
typical Ch4 nonsense, "let's find a minority agenda, any minority agenda and pretend the whole world cares about it".

once climate change emergency becomes mainstream, they'll be opposed to it.

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-11-2019 8:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Precisely.

I never once said a debate should be about Brexit alone.

That is right, you keep claiming that the General Election is not a proxy vote for Brexit :rolleyes:

prawnsambo · 28-11-2019 8:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Precisely.

I never once said a debate should be about Brexit alone.

I didn't say you did. Election issues shouldn't be decided by the politicians. That's why we have elections.

Edit: This pretty much sums up Johnson's cowardice.

prawnsambo · 28-11-2019 8:17pm

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

it's a joke of a 'debate'.
typical Ch4 nonsense, "let's find a minority agenda, any minority agenda and pretend the whole world cares about it".

once climate change emergency becomes mainstream, they'll be opposed to it.

Eh? Did you just wake up after a twenty year sleep or something?

28-11-2019 8:24pm

Nigel Farage has officially released his reason for not attending tonight's debate:

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1200127343857164288

I would have done - and said - precisely the same thing.

And I'm an advocate of Green politics, before any accusations of climate denial are made.

Professor Moriarty · 28-11-2019 8:26pm

Farage shouldn't be asked to any debate. He has zero MPs.

28-11-2019 8:27pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Farage shouldn't be asked to any debate. He has zero MPs.

Yet Plaid are going to be in the 7-way debate on Sunday.

That's the real joke.

28-11-2019 8:27pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yes. Because climate change only affects lefties.

It would be useful if it only affected deniers though.

If only they would grill a few economists about climate change and their part in the infinite growth economy, that drives the generation of CO2

Mortelaro · 28-11-2019 8:30pm

The melting ice sculptures with the dripping water where the Tories and Brexit party should be is amusing

Professor Moriarty · 28-11-2019 8:30pm

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Yet Plaid are going to be in the 7-way debate on Sunday.

That's the real joke.

Plaid Cymru have, and will have, MPs in the House of Commons. Farage has none and will have none. He's a nobody.

prawnsambo · 28-11-2019 8:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Nigel Farage has officially released his reason for not attending tonight's debate:

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1200127343857164288

I would have done - and said - precisely the same thing.

And I'm an advocate of Green politics, before any accusations of climate denial are made.

So to sum it up. Nigel won't go on C4 to discuss climate change because brexit is more important and C4 are remainers. Even though they're not discussing brexit. Nothing to do with the fact that Nigel is a climate change denier himself.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-11-2019 8:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

People say the BBC are biased.

I think without question we can say that Channel 4 are bias-on-steroids against right-wing parties.

I don't blame Johnson for not turning up. It is a Left-wing trap.

Like the ITV network and Channel 5 , Channel 4 has it's news done by ITN. Unlike the others Channel 4 doesn't do news as edutainment.

Channel 4 has a statutory remit to deliver high-quality, innovative, alternative content that challenges the status quo.

So no they can't follow the rest of the media in sucking up to the current government. And that is not Bias. That is what the media are supposed to do in a functioning democracy.

You are going to have to explain where you are seeing the bias otherwise you are just mud slinging.

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Johnson ... seems to be making veiled threats at Channel 4 regarding its public broadcasting license if it refuses to play ball, at least according to buzzfeed anyway. That's surely crossing a line if true.

It's not. Look at how the Tories used the purse strings and OAP licence fee to change the charter and hobble the BBC.

Previously SKY was on side thanks to it's ownership, like most of the print media still is. And ITV and Channel 5 doesn't do hard hitting political news.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-11-2019 8:38pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

She says she's retiring (she's in her early 50s), selling up, and getting out if Boris wins and they can stick their blue passport up their Union Jack.

Yeah, about that.

They'll have to import them first. De La Rue are in trouble so it's likely that the Blue passports will have to be made abroad after Brexit.

As will all the Sterling banknotes.

#takingbackcontrol

Letwin_Larry · 28-11-2019 8:39pm

sid waddell wrote: »

Climate change?

"Bring it on, hotter summers, I wanna go sunbathe in Skegness!"

tbh i just popped in and didn't realise this entire farce is being dedicated to just 1 topic
what a waste of precious pre-election airtime. Boris was so right to stay at home.

this is a bit having a group Student Unioners invade your corner down the pub, but without the necessary anesthetizing effects of alcohol.

actually i'm sure there's a bottle here somewhere .......

Professor Moriarty · 28-11-2019 8:42pm

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

tbh i just popped in and didn't realise this entire farce is being dedicated to just 1 topic
what a waste of precious pre-election airtime. Boris was so right to stay at home.

this is a bit having a group Student Unioners invade your corner down the pub, but without the necessary anesthetizing effects of alcohol.

actually i'm sure there's a bottle here somewhere .......

The environment is the third most important issue for voters. 28% consider it to be the most important issue.

sid waddell · 28-11-2019 8:43pm

This is a very civilised debate.

It's the type of thing can happen when you have five adults debating without two hysterical children there to throw tantrums.

Joe_ Public · 28-11-2019 8:43pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

It's not. Look at how the Tories used the purse strings and OAP licence fee to change the charter and hobble the BBC.

Previously SKY was on side thanks to it's ownership, like most of the print media still is. And ITV and Channel 5 doesn't do hard hitting political news.

Yeah fair points, but just because the bbc is neutered doesnt mean that C4 has to follow suit. I suspect if that buzzfeed story is even true, its just another hollow threat from downing st anyway. Glad they held firm against the stunt pulled by gove on behalf of his party, if the bbc did have any semblance of pride left, they'd stand up for themselves too.

sid waddell · 28-11-2019 8:45pm

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

tbh i just popped in and didn't realise this entire farce is being dedicated to just 1 topic
what a waste of precious pre-election airtime. Boris was so right to stay at home.

this is a bit having a group Student Unioners invade your corner down the pub, but without the necessary anesthetizing effects of alcohol.

actually i'm sure there's a bottle here somewhere .......

Ooh, you said "Student Unioners", edgy.

Professor Moriarty · 28-11-2019 8:48pm

The empty chairs are starkly symbolic. It's as if Johnson and Farage don't give a damn about climate change.

I see sheep · 28-11-2019 8:49pm

After all Johnson's ranting in the commons about Corbyn being a chicken, we see who the real coward is.
Johnson is an absolute embarrassment, anybody voting for him should be ashamed of themselves.

General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

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