General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

RickBlaine

RickBlaine wrote: »

Johnson claimed the safety of female MP was very important to him but a few months ago in parliament he dismissed those concerns raised by a female MP as humbug. Corbyn should have nailed him on that.

Complete misinterpretation for political purposes.

Johnson was NOT describing violence against women as humbug.

Infini

Assetbacked wrote: »

I can't believe the UK is in such dire straits that Boris Johnson is on a PMs debate. It is mind blowing to think this utterly incompetent, ignorant slob is the best the Conservatives have. The UK is truly fcuked if that is the guy who will be leading them and part of me finds it hilarious to watch the Brits self harm like this.

The thing is the Majority of British people wont vote for the conservatives but they might get a majority because quite simply the system is broken by FPTP. Honestly I would not be suprised if Boris gets a majority that we end end up witnessing the end of the UK as a nation, the incumbent party is full of sheisters and corrupt snake oil sales men but the opposition has been effectively handicapped by an opposition leader who simply lacks charisma in all of this.

Truth is the whole thing is coming apart because of the sheer rotten foundations that the UK is structured on and because chancers have basically infested one of the 2 major parties of such a polarised system. As a side note if the UK basically falls apart the US should take serious note of this as the same weaknesses in the UK essentially exist in the US as well and the polarisation there could do them in also.

Spanish Eyes

If only Keir Starmer was the LP Leader right now. I know, I know.

Cannot understand to this day why LP are happy with Corbyn via Momentum of course, at the helm.

But it is what it is.

Joe_ Public

RickBlaine wrote: »

Johnson claimed the safety of female MP was very important to him but a few months ago in parliament he dismissed those concerns raised by a female MP as humbug. Corbyn should have nailed him on that.

Good point. Corbyns a fairly clean fighter up against a guy who wont engage in the middle of the ring. And when johnsons guard is down its like he stands back and waits for him to resettle instead of landing the blow.

No mention of neil. Baffled.

Why is nobody combating the statistics that "Johnson won the debate by 52%".

On here, you'd think it would be "Corbyn won the debate by 90%" - hence why it just makes no sense whatsoever to have a poll on this debate. It will always, always be a critical majority Corbyn. Maybe for posters, it makes them feel better - but it's not an objective poll.

Johnson won. Accept it and move on.

Yet again, Johnson is well ahead. Despite all the criticisms here, Johnson is ahead.

Recent Panel Base MD poll:

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1203004409304821760

quokula

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Good point. Corbyns a fairly clean fighter up against a guy who wont engage in the middle of the ring. And when johnsons guard is down its like he stands back and waits for him to resettle instead of landing the blow.

No mention of neil. Baffled.

Yeah the format just doesn’t suit a fundamentally decent and polite person up against an aggressive lying charlatan.

lawred2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Instant polling with YouGov (with Sky News) shows that Boris Johnson won by 52% and Corbyn 48%.

It's not just me. It's the UK electorate.

We won - again.

The fact that Corbyn loses the polls, and doesn't hit a major blow a week before an election when he is already 10-12 points behind, shows that Corbyn has just signed his political death warrant.

We?

quokula

quokula wrote: »

Yeah the format just doesn’t suit a fundamentally decent and polite person up against an aggressive lying charlatan.

Johnson WON the debate.

Is anyone willing to accept we won the result?

Like Brexit, we're left in abject denial.

lawred2

RickBlaine wrote: »

Johnson claimed the safety of female MP was very important to him but a few months ago in parliament he dismissed those concerns raised by a female MP as humbug. Corbyn should have nailed him on that.

I was screaming 'humbug' at the TV.

Yet Corbyn let him walk. It made no sense.

345 majority predicted today from another recent poll.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1203013267314106373

quokula

lawred2 wrote: »

We?

Brexiteers are getting more like football supporters who just want to beat the other side, rather than having any coherent reasoning for wanting it.

AllForIt

sid waddell wrote: »

Corbyn was the only one who came across as a human being rather than a robot.

Corbyn came across as a dreary socialist. I could have acted his part myself by spouting predicable socialist polices's made up 5 minutes before the debate and no one would have noticed I was acting. He had absolutely nothing unique or inspiring to say which is exactly what you'd expect from a staunch socialist. He was the robot if anyone was.

liamtech

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is nobody combating the statistics that "Johnson won the debate by 52%".

On here, you'd think it would be "Corbyn won the debate by 90%" - hence why it just makes no sense whatsoever to have a poll on this debate. It will always, always be a critical majority Corbyn. Maybe for posters, it makes them feel better - but it's not an objective poll.

Johnson won. Accept it and move on.

Im not combating the statistics - because factually they are the reported statistics

Why do you not take issue with Johnsons statements on

• No restrictions at all in the irish sea between NI and GB (there are - he is lying)
• 19,000 new nurse - add 31,000 nurses - we now have 50,000 NEW NURSES (my 10 year old could answer this one)

Eskimo i criticize Corbyn a lot - i give out a lot about Swinson and the Lib Dems - its balance

If you cannot behave even remotely unbiased and balanced, you should simply acknowledge again that, to you, the Torys and Boris Johnson are Teflon - you dont care how inept or dishonest they are - you will still support them

just be honest

Joe_ Public

[Deleted User] wrote: »

345 majority predicted today from another recent poll.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1203013267314106373

Thats a fairly small looking majority to be sitting on i would say. A per cent less and would be in trouble on those figures.

More details from the YouGov poll:

Boris Johnson "more likeable" and "more Prime Ministerial" and won on "Brexit".

Corbyn "more in touch with ordinary people" and "more trustworthy".

YouGov say that "Prime Ministerial" poll matters most - and Johnson scored 54% and Corbyn 46% on that metric.

SkyNews reporters saying "Corbyn came off as second best".

Corbyn is a catastrophic failure.

bren2001

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Johnson won the debate

Corbyn talked about "equality" and "fairness", the socialist angel etc. - Johnson talked about the political reality and comes across as more Prime Ministerial.

Overwhelming support for Johnson at the end of the debate.

I have not seen the debate. I was at a sports podcast thing but I've honestly no doubt that Corbyn won it. Your utter nonsense over the lady few weeks..... It reaffirms my knowledge he won it. I'll watch it tomorrow.

Assetbacked

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Johnson WON the debate.

Is anyone willing to accept we won the result?

Like Brexit, we're left in abject denial.

Only 37% of voters wanted Brexit and back then hard Brexit or deal Brexit didn't come into it so it's not even clear what they voted for. That vote has been utterly pointless considering absolutely nothing has happened on foot of it. The status quo has remained for three and a half years yet politics has been in limbo ever since.

bren2001

bren2001 wrote: »

I have not seen the debate. I was at a sports podcast thing but I've honestly no doubt that Corbyn won it. Your utter nonsense over the lady few weeks..... It reaffirms my knowledge he won it. I'll watch it tomorrow.

You haven't watched the debate, yet have already determined Corbyn has won?

That says everything you need to know about a generic Corbyn supporter. :rolleyes:

The lack of objectivity is astounding.

liamtech

Deleted User wrote: »

You haven't watched the debate, yet have already determined Corbyn has won?

That says everything you need to know about a generic Corbyn supporter. :rolleyes:

The lack of objectivity is astounding.

Objectivity? can you be Objective?? can you address the obvious miss-information parroted by BoJo

liamtech wrote: »

Im not combating the statistics - because factually they are the reported statistics

Why do you not take issue with Johnsons statements on

• No restrictions at all in the irish sea between NI and GB (there are - he is lying)
• 19,000 new nurse - add 31,000 nurses - we now have 50,000 NEW NURSES (my 10 year old could answer this one)

Eskimo i criticize Corbyn a lot - i give out a lot about Swinson and the Lib Dems - its balance

If you cannot behave even remotely unbiased and balanced, you should simply acknowledge again that, to you, the Torys and Boris Johnson are Teflon - you dont care how inept or dishonest they are - you will still support them

just be honest

Strazdas

Assetbacked wrote: »

Only 37% of voters wanted Brexit and back then hard Brexit or deal Brexit didn't come into it so it's not even clear what they voted for. That vote has been utterly pointless considering absolutely nothing has happened on foot of it. The status quo has remained for three and a half years yet politics has been in limbo ever since.

People voted in a referendum without even understanding what the role of UK referendums are or what their legal status is.

It was always going to throw up an utter shambles if it went against the government - a government being 'ordered' to effect massive and legal constitutional change by an ignorant electorate and having made zero plans for such constitutional change.

quokula

BTW that first question that implied Major urged people not to vote Tory and Blair urged people not to vote Labour... what was that all about?

I genuinely thought I missed something Tony Blair said today but I looked it up and he explicitly said he was voting Labour (but advocates tactical voting in constituencies where it made sense), in contrast to Major explicitly saying to vote against Johnson.

How did the supposedly impartial BBC open with that? Corbyn failed to bat it off as a straight mistruth, possibly because he got caught off guard and thought Blair said something he missed, like I did.

maynooth_rules

Deleted User wrote: »

You haven't watched the debate, yet have already determined Corbyn has won?

That says everything you need to know about a generic Corbyn supporter. :rolleyes:

The lack of objectivity is astounding.

It sums up Corbyn supporters. Blinded by the man. He has been a catastrophic leader. Never has there been a more unpopular Conservative leader yet they will likely get a majority thanks completly to Corbyn. His brexit stance has been an unmitigated disaster. That's what will cost him, and its all he deserves.

maynooth_rules

maynooth_rules wrote: »

It sums up Corbyn supporters. Blinded by the man. He has been a catastrophic leader. Never has there been a more unpopular Conservative leader yet they will likely get a majority thanks completly to Corbyn. His brexit stance has been an unmitigated disaster. That's what will cost him, and its all he deserves.

That's a very good point.

At this stage of a Conservative government, you'd expect some solid support - even a pending majority - for a Labour Government, yet Labour are trailing behind like a political disease.

It shows how pathological Corbyn is to many in this country.

Strazdas

maynooth_rules wrote: »

It sums up Corbyn supporters. Blinded by the man. He has been a catastrophic leader. Never has there been a more unpopular Conservative leader yet they will likely get a majority thanks completly to Corbyn. His brexit stance has been an unmitigated disaster. That's what will cost him, and its all he deserves.

If Johnson gets a majority, it will certainly be a huge indictment of Corbyn. Any sort of a serious candidate would be able to land heavy blows on such a weak contender in a debate.....to lose convincingly to him would be woeful stuff.

Complete results now revelaed from YouGov:

Who do you think came across as more trustworthy?

38% Boris Johnson, 48% Jeremy Corbyn, 14% Don’t know

Who do you think came across as more likeable?

55% Boris Johnson, 36% Jeremy Corbyn, 9% Don’t know

Who do you think came across as more in touch with ordinary people?

29% Boris Johnson, 57% Jeremy Corbyn, 14% Don’t know

Who do you think came across as more Prime Ministerial?

54% Boris Johnson, 30% Jeremy Corbyn, 17% Don’t know

Who do you think performed best during the section of the debate on Brexit?

62% Boris Johnson, 29% Jeremy Corbyn, 9% Don’t know

Who do you think performed best during the section of the debate on NHS?

38% Boris Johnson, 55% Jeremy Corbyn, 8% Don’t know

Who do you think performed best during the section of the debate on Government spending?

48% Boris Johnson, 43% Jeremy Corbyn, 9% Don’t know

Who do you think performed best during the section of the debate on security and anti-terrorism?

55% Boris Johnson, 34% Jeremy Corbyn, 11% Don’t know

Point being that Johnson is performing best on being Prime Ministerial and also on questions of Brexit, security, government spending, and being a more likeable political figure; the most important factors in the debate.

In other words, Johnson won 5/8 metrics; Corbyn just 3/8; a shocking defeat for Labour.

sid waddell

AllForIt wrote: »

Corbyn came across as a dreary socialist. I could have acted his part myself by spouting predicable socialist polices's made up 5 minutes before the debate and no one would have noticed I was acting. He had absolutely nothing unique or inspiring to say which is exactly what you'd expect from a staunch socialist. He was the robot if anyone was.

Corbyn was actually able to talk and think on his feet, and showed a real empathy for people and regard for truth.

Johnson merely recited oven ready soundbytes over and over and over and over...

If Corbyn and his modus operandi of debate was Tory leader he'd be hailed as steady and statesmanlike.

If Johnson and ridiculous, cultivated Just William "personality" was Labour leader, he'd be savaged by the media like no other party leader in history, and rightly so. That he isn't tells you everything you need to know.

sid waddell

sid waddell wrote: »

Corbyn was actually able to talk and think on his feet, and showed a real empathy for people and regard for truth.

Johnson merely recited oven ready soundbytes over and over and over and over...

If Corbyn and his modus operandi of debate was Tory leader he'd be hailed as steady and statesmanlike.

If Johnson and ridiculous, cultivated Just William "personality" was Labour leader, he'd be savaged by the media like no other party leader in history, and rightly so. That he isn't tells you everything you need to know.

a) What fatal blow did Corbyn land on Johnson?

b) Saying "equality", "fairness", a lot etc. does not make one an effective leader - maybe Corbyn should become a priest?

c) Corbyn is in favour of having convicted terrorists released early.

d) His spending plans are completely unrealistic.

e) No leadership regarding Brexit.

This - collectively - just looks AWFUL.

FrancieBrady

Corbyn aimed high and wouldn't get down in the dirt with Johnson.

Unfortunate thing for Labour and Corbyn is that UK politics is resolutely stuck in the dirt atm.
The only thing we can do looking on is wish the decent people of the UK the best of luck for what is ahead. It isn't a light at the end of that tunnel sadly.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Corbyn aimed high and wouldn't get down in the dirt with Johnson.

Unfortunate thing for Labour and Corbyn is that UK politics is resolutely stuck in the dirt atm.
The only thing we can do looking on is wish the decent people of the UK the best of luck for what is ahead. It isn't a light at the end of that tunnel sadly.

Prime Minister Johnson won the debate 52% to 48%.

Corbyn had so many targets to strike, so many untruths to target, yet couldn't land a single significant blow to make the headlines.

With a 10-12% point lead, Johnson and the Conservatives will be very happy with the % lead in the debate leading into next Thursday's General Election.

If users here were the equivalent of the UK electorate, you'd believe Corbyn won by 90%. That's why the poll produced in this forum is completely ridiculous:

Thus far on this forum thread: 62% Corbyn; 19% Prime Minister Johnson; so far out of touch with reality, it's really quite embarrassing.