Noel Grealish

weldoninhio

is_that_so wrote: »

You were well ahead of me on the shark jumping!

Yes, I do have a more sophisticated method of shark jumping :rolleyes:

Faugheen

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hows about we gather evidence and see what the factual amount is rather that seeing who's guesstimate is more believable??

Sure, how about we analyse how each institution got their figures.

CSO in conjunction with the Revenue, who would work with the Central Bank.

Or the World Bank, who got their figures from Nigeria, and literally got the number of people and the GDP and literally just guessed instead of working with actual figures supplied by their own institutions.

is_that_so

weldoninhio wrote: »

Yes, I do have a more sophisticated method of shark jumping :rolleyes:

Well, you have a way about you for sure!:)

JJayoo

What are the figures that the world Bank generates used for?

Why would countries exaggerate figures? Could it be used to protray a more healthy economy and inturn get more favourable investment/funding/borrowing

1641

JJayoo wrote: »

What are the figures that the world Bank generates used for?

Why would countries exaggerate figures? Could it be used to protray a more healthy economy and inturn get more favourable investment/funding/borrowing

Or to conceal bribes from corporations for access to Nigerian natural resources?

ollkiller

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He is not asking a stupid question, he is asking a malicious question.

He does not care about the answer, he cares about getting people like blanch, who are not at all racist, to discuss whether Nigerians are money-launderers or welfare cheats, or perhaps black economy millionaires.

And when those discussions fill forums and the less respectable media outlets, the "no smoke without fire" brigade will take these things as facts.

And then vote for Noel.

That's it in a nutshell. The World Bank figures are ludicrous once you actually research how they are attained and figured on GDP (i know it's hard for people to actually research things on their own, but it is possible).

Noel Grealish is just using the Trump playbook. It's sad and pathetic and it's the old divide and conquer principle used to pit people against each other. Politicians should try to make life better for all its citizens but they don't. They know that a lot of the populace will come to their cause when they "speak plainly" which is really saying your life is terrible because of those spongers over there. When in fact it's corporations not paying tax and inept politicians that are the reason the cost of living is mental, housing is mental, the health service is mental.

And btw it's only going to get worse.

riemann

1641 wrote: »

Or to conceal bribes from corporations for access to Nigerian natural resources?

Nigerians are a funny bunch.

They will not see a bad word said about Nigeria.

Yet they all seem keen to get away from it.

1641

riemann wrote: »

Nigerians are a funny bunch.

They will not see a bad word said about Nigeria.

Yet they all seem keen to get away from it.

No reference to "nigerians". This isn't a racist smear. But the Nigerian public administration has a long history of corruption. "Nigerians" are victims of this.

terrydel

riemann wrote: »

I find the Lithuanian figure the most interesting.

Plenty of them caught up in the drug trade here, and those android TV boxes to get sky TV.

Two different crimes, but profiting from criminal activity all the same.

Any evidence to back that up?

ollkiller

riemann wrote: »

Nigerians are a funny bunch.

They will not see a bad word said about Nigeria.

Yet they all seem keen to get away from it.

There's 200 million people living in Nigeria lad.

weldoninhio

is_that_so wrote: »

I'm more inclined to find them credible. You're clearly not for reasons only known to yourself.

It's been fairly well established since i started this thread that neither set of figures are credible. Hence the call for an enquiry.

corks finest

weldoninhio wrote:

Today in the Dail, Noel Grealish spoke about the amount of money leaving the country (10bn in the past eighth years alone). He wanted to know if there were proper mechanisms in place to make sure that all of this money was being sent legally. "He asked if Revenue or the Department of Finance had anyway of tracking where this money was coming from." "He said that he could understand transfers to other EU countries, but €3.4bn transferred to one non-EU country was astronomical."

Nigerian gang linked to €15m fraud target of Garda raids

Ken Foy



corks finest

weldoninhio wrote:

It is an absolute joke that this isn't being looked into, most will probably be above board, but I'd imagine there is a huge amount leaving that are funds gained by illegal means or being sent for illegal means.

Hardly most will be above board since over 60 percent of Nigerians are on SW

Topgear on Dave

Grealish could not afford to buy all this publicity coming up to an election.

Lots of outrage lots of headlines.

corks finest

Danzy wrote:

I can understand Leo having no problem with this, he is a cutthroat capitalist at its finest but it's really impossible to square how some one co yupd describe themselves as Socialist and back this.

Danzy wrote:

500 million a year from people we were told were refugees but who holiday in the country they "escaped" from.

Danzy wrote:

I work in import,export my friend.

Danzy wrote:

Solidarity with the free market.

Correct on all points,we all know it but haven't any alternative but to vote the same clowns in -, FF/ FG/ labour / SF all europhiles
need to constantly bend the knee to Brussels and never have the balls to target scammers,I for one didn't invite any non working / non contributing Nigerians etc to my country to scam when they want ,come from the UK and claim they had to flee Nigeria cos of their Christian faith etc etc ,this country is gone ,well gone,I'm 60 and feel sorry for my youngests generation,they'll leave and leave the ****e here,
Nigerian gang linked to €15m fraud target of Garda raids

Ken Foy



Zubeneschamali

weldoninhio wrote: »

It's been fairly well established since i started this thread that neither set of figures are credible. Hence the call for an enquiry.

I can make up non-credible numbers on any subject you like. Why do these particular non-credible numbers require someone to spend my tax dollars on an enquiry?

To keep Noel Grealish in the news, and keep people talking trash about Nigerians.

JJayoo

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I can make up non-credible numbers on any subject you like. Why do these particular non-credible numbers require someone to spend my tax dollars on an enquiry?

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This is stupid

kippy

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I can make up non-credible numbers on any subject you like. Why do these particular non-credible numbers require someone to spend my tax dollars on an enquiry?

To keep Noel Grealish in the news, and keep people talking trash about Nigerians.

This should be obvious.............but will point it out.

1. Because they are being produced by organisations whose remit is to produce figures, figures that may or may not be used to determine and drive policy in some areas.
2. Because the numbers appear to be so wildly out of kilter that they are nigh on useless - so zero point in using them for anything.
3. What other non-credible numbers generated by public bodies are we using to formulate policy etc?

I am not for an enquiry as such, but something has to be done on this matter.

jammiedodgers

The funny thing about this is if someone would have just answered his question explaining the figures from World Bank are not accurate we wouldn't be hearing a thing about this. Like when Niall Collins asked previously.
Instead Coppinger and co. (and a lot of posters here) had to jump on the racist bandwagon and shout it from the rooftops and give Grealish exactly what he was looking for in the first place - publicity before an upcoming election.

Riskymove

kippy wrote: »

What other non-credible numbers generated by public bodies are we using to formulate policy etc?
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what policies are based on these figures on remittance?

I certainly cannot think of anything?

The CSO in providing these figures (because they were requested) set out all the warnings about the difficulties etc. it would be clear to any people looking for them for any policy development that there were not useful for anything like that

Unfortunately if you ignore all that and just run with a figure that suits your original position without trying to understands what the figure actually represents this is the kind of thing that can happen.

The CSO is a highly professional, well regarded National Statistical Office. What you are suggesting is that there should be some kind of investigation into their competence - because Nigeria produce ridiculous figures??

As mentioned before, the data we are talking about is almost impossible to actually get so models are used to produce estimates. The CSO follow best international practice in how to estimate the figure. They are not "made up" or "non-credible"

zell12

Coming up on Newstalk now
Henry McKean goes to Galway to voxpop Grealish constituents and other politicians on his "remarks about Nigerians"

Harvey Weinstein

corks finest wrote: »

Nigerian gang linked to €15m fraud target of Garda raids

Ken Foy



Child trafficking also

weldoninhio

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I can make up non-credible numbers on any subject you like. Why do these particular non-credible numbers require someone to spend my tax dollars on an enquiry?

To keep Noel Grealish in the news, and keep people talking trash about Nigerians.

You are not the Central Statistics Office of Ireland, nor are you the World Bank, who Ireland is a member of.

If there is nothing untoward going on why would people be talking about Nigeria or Noel Grealish?? :rolleyes:

weldoninhio

Riskymove wrote: »

what policies are based on these figures on remittance?

I certainly cannot think of anything?

The CSO in providing these figures (because they were requested) set out all the warnings about the difficulties etc. it would be clear to any people looking for them for any policy development that there were not useful for anything like that

Unfortunately if you ignore all that and just run with a figure that suits your original position without trying to understands what the figure actually represents this is the kind of thing that can happen.

The CSO is a highly professional, well regarded National Statistical Office. What you are suggesting is that there should be some kind of investigation into their competence - because Nigeria produce ridiculous figures??

As mentioned before, the data we are talking about is almost impossible to actually get so models are used to produce estimates. The CSO follow best international practice in how to estimate the figure. They are not "made up" or "non-credible"

Their competence, they state that there are between 1000 and 10000 Nigerians in Ireland. Aren't they the same crowd that does the census where accurate numbers are supposed to be pulled from??

zell12

voxpop on Newstalk
"Noel Grealish is just reflecting the mood of the people on the ground"
"He is asking the questions the people of this country are asking"

James Brown

If Grealish shows his work and explains why he singled out Nigeria, it'd all blow over. For me, I'd have no issue treating a country based on it's actions. That's how the world works. Treating Nigerians different on a one to one basis is where we fall into racism.
Likely he's enjoying flirting in the grey area.

For example the Chinese (country) are murderous and deal in misery. We should have nothing to do with them. Chinese fella up the road, no bother.

Faugheen

zell12 wrote: »

Coming up on Newstalk now
Henry McKean goes to Galway to voxpop Grealish constituents and other politicians on his "remarks about Nigerians"

I would suggest they talk to Grealish instead of the random punter on the streets but he’s doing that thing where he whips up fear and then runs a mile from any media.

Then those who support him say he’s not being given a fair ride by the liberal, woke, looney lefty media rabble rabble Denis O’Brien.

He makes statements like these (with a little grin on his face) and then doesn’t want to be held accountable.

People in this thread fall for it every single time, because they might be just a little bit xenophobic, if not racist.

YFlyer

What criminal activities contribute to 3.5 billion to be sent to Nigeria?

Faugheen

weldoninhio wrote: »

Their competence, they state that there are between 1000 and 10000 Nigerians in Ireland. Aren't they the same crowd that does the census where accurate numbers are supposed to be pulled from??

They do a census every year now do they?

Riskymove

weldoninhio wrote: »

Their competence, they state that there are between 1000 and 10000 Nigerians in Ireland. Aren't they the same crowd that does the census where accurate numbers are supposed to be pulled from??

a perfect example of not looking hard enough at CSO published data

I presume you just looked at the summary table which shows numbers of people in bands here: https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

If you actually use the linked Statbank you can quickly see that the number of Nigerians in Ireland in 2016 was:

6,084


Is this exact enough for you?