Noel Grealish

weldoninhio

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If Grealish shows his work and explains why he singled out Nigeria, it'd all blow over. For me, I'd have no issue treating a country based on it's actions. That's how the world works. Treating Nigerians different on a one to one basis is where we fall into racism.

He did show his work. Nigeria was the biggest receiver of remittances outside of the EU. It was actually in the top 3 of all countries receiving remittances. Did you actually read what he said, or was the outrage too strong to wait before posting??

"The top five countries where money was transferred to over the past eight years include €843 million to Lithuania, €1 billion to France and the top three countries; €1.54 billion to Poland, €2.7 billion to the United Kingdom and €3.54 billion was sent to Nigeria."

James Brown

weldoninhio wrote: »

He did show his work. Nigeria was the biggest receiver of remittances outside of the EU. It was actually in the top 3 of all countries receiving remittances. Did you actually read what he said, or was the outrage too strong to wait before posting??

"The top five countries where money was transferred to over the past eight years include €843 million to Lithuania, €1 billion to France and the top three countries; €1.54 billion to Poland, €2.7 billion to the United Kingdom and €3.54 billion was sent to Nigeria."

What outrage?
Comrade, he obviously needs to explain himself further, no?
We could argue he's saying it's proceeds from crime. We could argue why specify Nigeria? We could argue maybe they like to look after their mammy more than poles?
There are documented cases of gangs of Indians in London back in the day living in the one flat and borrowing shoes off each other to save as much as possible to either send home or buy a business. Nothing nefarious in it.
As I say if he elaborates, it'll likely blow over.

Faugheen

weldoninhio wrote: »

He did show his work. Nigeria was the biggest receiver of remittances outside of the EU. It was actually in the top 3 of all countries receiving remittances. Did you actually read what he said, or was the outrage too strong to wait before posting??

"The top five countries where money was transferred to over the past eight years include €843 million to Lithuania, €1 billion to France and the top three countries; €1.54 billion to Poland, €2.7 billion to the United Kingdom and €3.54 billion was sent to Nigeria."

Using data which was compiled by Nigeria using the number of people living there and the GDP per capita instead of using its CSO/Central Bank equivalences

Are you actually reading posts or are you ignoring this point on purpose?

SafeSurfer

Faugheen wrote: »

I would suggest they talk to Grealish instead of the random punter on the streets but he’s doing that thing where he whips up fear and then runs a mile from any media.

Then those who support him say he’s not being given a fair ride by the liberal, woke, looney lefty media rabble rabble Denis O’Brien.

He makes statements like these (with a little grin on his face) and then doesn’t want to be held accountable.

People in this thread fall for it every single time, because they might be just a little bit xenophobic, if not racist.

He is a politician. He will be held accountable at an election very shortly.

Also the media is, in general much more left wing than the population as a whole.

James Brown

SafeSurfer wrote: »

He is a politician. He will be held accountable at an election very shortly.

Also the media is, in general much more left wing than the population as a whole.

Only if the public have the facts.
Do you think he might be leaving it vague so he can pull a Casey without looking like he's pulling a Casey?
'member when Casey was saying what the people were thinking on his sh*te voter support in the election he lost?
There's no merit to the idea the majority aren't decent people. Elections show they are, if tentative.

If 'the media' are bias and leftie, how come RTE can't get no love and FG practically owned the Indo, (still have a pal in Newstalk) for a decade?
Prior to that we'd well known communist Anthony O'Reilly at the helm and the Marxist Fianna Fail owning the Press in the decades before that
Yeah the Irish Times is practically the Socialist worker...

Faugheen

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Only if the public have the facts.
Do you think he might be leaving it vague so he can pull a Casey without looking like he's pulling a Casey?
'member when Casey was saying what the people were thinking on his sh*te voter support in the election he lost?
There's no merit to the idea the majority aren't decent people.Elections show they are, if tentative.

He didn’t just lose, he got walloped.

Yet people take a moral victory and claim the media were against him.

weldoninhio

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What outrage?
Comrade, he obviously needs to explain himself further, no?
We could argue he's saying it's proceeds from crime. We could argue why specify Nigeria? We could argue maybe they like to look after their mammy more than poles?
There are documented cases of gangs of Indians in London back in the day living in the one flat and borrowing shoes off each other to save as much as possible to either send home or buy a business. Nothing nefarious in it.
As I say if he elaborates, it'll likely blow over.

As I said above, have you actually read what he said. He never singled out Nigeria, he mentioned the top 5 countries that money is sent. He never said it was the proceeds of crime, he asked if there were any checks and balances to ensure that the money was clean. You could argue all you want, but it would be blatantly wrong.

SafeSurfer

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What outrage?
Comrade, he obviously needs to explain himself further, no?
We could argue he's saying it's proceeds from crime. We could argue why specify Nigeria? We could argue maybe they like to look after their mammy more than poles?
There are documented cases of gangs of Indians in London back in the day living in the one flat and borrowing shoes off each other to save as much as possible to either send home or buy a business. Nothing nefarious in it.
As I say if he elaborates, it'll likely blow over.

Perhaps large remittances to Nigeria and China represent, in part, payments to people smuggling gangs. Isn’t that hoe they work, you pay them for years after you reach the host country?

weldoninhio

Faugheen wrote: »

Using data which was compiled by Nigeria using the number of people living there and the GDP per capita instead of using its CSO/Central Bank equivalences

Are you actually reading posts or are you ignoring this point on purpose?

The CSO/Central bank guesses??

SafeSurfer

Faugheen wrote: »

He didn’t just lose, he got walloped.

Yet people take a moral victory and claim the media were against him.

Rewriting history again. He came second. He got more votes than the remaining candidates combined. Hardly walloped.

is_that_so

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Rewriting history again. He came second. He got more votes than the remaining candidates combined. Hardly walloped.

Beaten by a factor of nearly 3:1 is walloped in any language.

RoyalCelt

weldoninhio wrote: »

Our Taoiseach spoke out against Grealish!! Green is the only colour that matters here. We are being taken for a ride. Doesn’t matter if it’s Irish, Nigerian or Chinese people removing money from our economy illegally while milking benefits here. Anyone caught should have the money taken by the exchequer and face serious prison time.

Why should they cost us even more in a prison cell? Send them the same direction as their money.

Faugheen

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Rewriting history again. He came second. He got more votes than the remaining candidates combined. Hardly walloped.

And the winner got more votes than him and the rest of the candidates combined.

Walloped.

James Brown

weldoninhio wrote: »

As I said above, have you actually read what he said. He never singled out Nigeria, he mentioned the top 5 countries that money is sent. He never said it was the proceeds of crime, he asked if there were any checks and balances to ensure that the money was clean. You could argue all you want, but it would be blatantly wrong.

Asking for clarity would be wrong? Seems like a contradiction right there.

blanch152

Faugheen wrote: »

Using data which was compiled by Nigeria using the number of people living there and the GDP per capita instead of using its CSO/Central Bank equivalences

Are you actually reading posts or are you ignoring this point on purpose?

The irony of people telling others that the Irish CSO is better than the Nigerian CSO while simultaneously telling those same others that they are racist.

I could sum up your posts as being those Nigerians are not to be trusted when it comes to statistics.

Faugheen

double post. Delete please.

emo72

People rounding on him for asking an obvious question. The condemnation to that is extreme. Eoghan Murphy calling it disgusting on Kenny this morning. That will lead to more people getting annoyed that questions are not even tolerated now. Even if there is a logical explanation that would be fine. Since when are questions not allowed. Grealish will be getting more support due to the backlash against him irrespective if he is right or wrong.

Faugheen

emo72 wrote: »

People rounding on him for asking an obvious question. The condemnation to that is extreme. Eoghan Murphy calling it disgusting on Kenny this morning. That will lead to more people getting annoyed that questions are not even tolerated now. Even if there is a logical explanation that would be fine. Since when are questions not allowed. Grealish will be getting more support due to the backlash against him irrespective if he is right or wrong.

They said the same about Peter Casey.

If you believed boards Casey would have walked the Presidential election, and then the European elections.

Why hasn’t Grealish answered his claims on air? Because he knows full well what he was at. Fear-whipping dog-whistling to get all of those who hate foreigners out of the woodwork.

riemann

emo72 wrote: »

Eoghan Murphy calling it disgusting on Kenny this morning.

Yeah I'm sure Mr. Murphy recoiled in disgust when he heard the news.

He definitely didn't have a little chuckle to himself, happy in the knowledge this would take up the news agenda for the next couple of days in place of actual important issues.

sk8erboii

Lol. The same fake news crowd falling for sensationalist headlines about populist strongmen. Who would’ve thought? Anyone who follows politics or at least believes it at face value is truly a mouth breathing retard. Take Grealish for example. He has a track record of lying outright: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/noel-grealish-s-views-of-asylum-seekers-are-based-on-myth-1.4021292

He’s the “man of the people.”

Now he’s on the stage for the same bullsh*t parroted by most idiots in curent affairs: Return to Christianity, ‘Locals Only’ governing, anti - migration, anti socialist policies (subsidized healthcare, dole etc), anti government, anti - green policies, blame the migrants and the poor. In other words he’s the rereg troll of politics.

His latest headline is the litmus test for whether or not you should have any opinion on politics. If you believe him, you should really just focus on your job and family because you are not smart enough for anything other than that:

https://twitter.com/cmaccaba/status/1194542079990534149?s=21

This lad explains why you’re a massive idiot. The Nigerian government too for severely miscalculating the figures. But mostly you, for believing a shady Mussolinni knockoff

padd b1975

zimmermania wrote: »

Let's hope he loses his seat.

I hope the Trots field a candidate in his constituency.

blanch152

sk8erboii wrote: »

Lol. The same fake news crowd falling for sensationalist headlines about populist strongmen. Who would’ve thought? Anyone who follows politics or at least believes it at face value is truly a mouth breathing retard. Take Grealish for example. He has a track record of lying outright: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/noel-grealish-s-views-of-asylum-seekers-are-based-on-myth-1.4021292

He’s the “man of the people.”

Now he’s on the stage for the same bullsh*t parroted by most idiots in curent affairs: Return to Christianity, ‘Locals Only’ governing, anti - migration, anti socialist policies (subsidized healthcare, dole etc), anti government, anti - green policies, blame the migrants and the poor. In other words he’s the rereg troll of politics.

His latest headline is the litmus test for whether or not you should have any opinion on politics. If you believe him, you should really just focus on your job and family because you are not smart enough for anything other than that:

https://twitter.com/cmaccaba/status/1194542079990534149?s=21

This lad explains why you’re a massive idiot. The Nigerian government too for severely miscalculating the figures. But mostly you, for believing a shady Mussolinni knockoff

Oh you racist, claiming that our CSO is of a superior level to the Nigerian CSO.

riemann

sk8erboii wrote: »

Lol. The same fake news crowd falling for sensationalist headlines about populist strongmen. Who would’ve thought? Anyone who follows politics or at least believes it at face value is truly a mouth breathing retard. Take Grealish for example. He has a track record of lying outright: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/noel-grealish-s-views-of-asylum-seekers-are-based-on-myth-1.4021292

He’s the “man of the people.”

Now he’s on the stage for the same bullsh*t parroted by most idiots in curent affairs: Return to Christianity, ‘Locals Only’ governing, anti - migration, anti socialist policies (subsidized healthcare, dole etc), anti government, anti - green policies, blame the migrants and the poor. In other words he’s the rereg troll of politics.

His latest headline is the litmus test for whether or not you should have any opinion on politics. If you believe him, you should really just focus on your job and family because you are not smart enough for anything other than that:

https://twitter.com/cmaccaba/status/1194542079990534149?s=21

This lad explains why you’re a massive idiot. The Nigerian government too for severely miscalculating the figures. But mostly you, for believing a shady Mussolinni knockoff

Well some guy on twitter said it so it must be true.

Faugheen

blanch152 wrote: »

Oh you racist, claiming that our CSO is of a superior level to the Nigerian CSO.

It’s not based on Nigerian CSO figures!

You’re actually reading what you want to read instead of looking at what’s in front of you.

Topgear on Dave

padd b1975 wrote: »

I hope the Trots field a candidate in his constituency.

Yes the trots will wipe the floor with him in Galway West. LoL :pac:

Dyr

riemann wrote: »

Well some guy on twitter said it so it must be true.

Not Just any guy, but conor mccabe, Trot economist extradonaire

It's worth noting that the marxists and IBEC are singing off the same sheet on this, funny that. Both idealogically wedded to globalism because it serves their purposes

No wonder Joey Taxpayer is f***ed

sk8erboii

riemann wrote: »

Well some guy on twitter said it so it must be true.

What about the minister of finance?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/donohoe-grealish-nigeria-money-924568

The figures are estimates based off total remittances and GDP. Irish GDP is highly inflated by tax avoidance.

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2019/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=64&pr.y=11&sy=2016&ey=2021&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=178&s=NGDP_RPCH%2CNGDPD%2CPPPGDP%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC%2CPCPIPCH&grp=0&a=


Like f*ck, everyone here is making 77k annually.
Grealish, either because the populist voters are massive idiots or that he himself doesnt understand how the economy works, based the premise on Inflated figures and miscalculation.

Of course he’s got you hook and line with the Irish patriot defending the nation from foreigners rhetoric.

Politics truly is the bread and circuses of the modern world - Obvious theatrics and misleading the idiots.

Zubeneschamali

corks finest wrote: »

I'm 60 and feel sorry for my youngests generation,they'll leave and leave the ****e here,

Wow, only 5 more years til I turn into my Dad!

vriesmays

Nigeria is where Ireland sends its worst film directors:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/filmmaker-terry-mcmahon-says-his-big-mouth-and-support-for-irish-activism-stops-him-working-vmtv8kl3v

seamus

Bambi wrote: »

Not Just any guy, but conor mccabe, Trot economist extradonaire

It's worth noting that the marxists and IBEC are singing off the same sheet on this, funny that. Both idealogically wedded to globalism because it serves their purposes

If you disagree with his analysis, you're free to show your alternative figures and the full workings of how you arrived at them, just like he's done.

Or just keep blowing hot air, if that's all you're here for.