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    #482
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Japers,Trump really did a number.
    You ask a question people accuse you of accusing someone of being racist.
    If you query Grealish you are a hard core communist.
    Your Alt-Right folk need to calm the fup down ;)


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    #483
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,519 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Lol. The same fake news crowd falling for sensationalist headlines about populist strongmen. Who would’ve thought? Anyone who follows politics or at least believes it at face value is truly a mouth breathing retard. Take Grealish for example. He has a track record of lying outright: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/noel-grealish-s-views-of-asylum-seekers-are-based-on-myth-1.4021292

    He’s the “man of the people.”

    Now he’s on the stage for the same bullsh*t parroted by most idiots in curent affairs: Return to Christianity, ‘Locals Only’ governing, anti - migration, anti socialist policies (subsidized healthcare, dole etc), anti government, anti - green policies, blame the migrants and the poor. In other words he’s the rereg troll of politics.

    His latest headline is the litmus test for whether or not you should have any opinion on politics. If you believe him, you should really just focus on your job and family because you are not smart enough for anything other than that:

    https://twitter.com/cmaccaba/status/1194542079990534149?s=21

    This lad explains why you’re a massive idiot. The Nigerian government too for severely miscalculating the figures. But mostly you, for believing a shady Mussolinni knockoff

    Calling people mouth breathing retards while condemning prejudice. Nice.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #484
    kravmaga
    Registered Users Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Bambi wrote: »
    what's 3.4 billion over 8 years to a single country based on the amount of nationals from that country in Ireland, the figure seems way out of whack.

    Well the amount of Nigerian nationals living in Ireland is around 20,000 as per recent census of population 2016, so I find it very hard to believe that the alleged €3.4 billion could have been sent back to Nigeria in an 8 year period., Id say the figure is more like €136 million.

    Link:
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nigerians-send-17m-home-from-ireland-annually-cso-says-1.4081623


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    #485
    _Kaiser_
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    Mr.Maroon wrote: »
    I care. He is supposed to be my local TD.
    There are far bigger issues in Galway West than Nigerians sending some of their own money back home. He campaigned on issues effecting Galway west in 2015. He has done absolutely nothing to address them in the last four years.

    Actually, just on this point.

    As a TD, he is SUPPOSED to be looking at the bigger issues facing the country as a whole, not parochial parish pump stuff like filling potholes and getting planning permission sorted for people.

    We have an army of local councillors and administrative staff for that. It's this attitude that ensures any national strategy or initiative is a complete mess from the start.

    As such he's doing EXACTLY what he should be.


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    #486
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Calling people mouth breathing retards while condemning prejudice. Nice.

    Huh? I hate idiots and racists. Nothing contradictory about that.


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    #487
    MadYaker
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Actually, just on this point.

    As a TD, he is SUPPOSED to be looking at the bigger issues facing the country as a whole, not parochial parish pump stuff like filling potholes and getting planning permission sorted for people.

    We have an army of local councillors and administrative staff for that. It's this attitude that ensures any national strategy or initiative is a complete mess from the start.

    As such he's doing EXACTLY what he should be.

    What, making up figures and causing a stir over nothing? Why isn’t he having a go at the polish? There’s way more of them they must send home even more. He was my TD for a while and he’s always been a fcuking moron.

    Many families in this country survived on money sent home from over seas for generations. If they’ve earned it let them at it.


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    #488
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    MadYaker wrote: »
    What, making up figures and causing a stir over nothing? Why isn’t he having a go at the polish? There’s way more of them they must send home even more. He was my TD for a while and he’s always been a fcuking moron.

    Mate because its all a right wing dog whistle. “Blame the blacks, they’re why you’re poor! Look I got the figures that show it. Vote me in for the solution!”

    This is nearly a one to one analog to jews being blamed for Weimar’s economy


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    #489
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    This came up before and it was revealed that the amounts were "guesstimates" as far as I recall.


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    #490
    _Kaiser_
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    What, making up figures and causing a stir over nothing? Why isn’t he having a go at the polish? There’s way more of them they must send home even more. He was my TD for a while and he’s always been a fcuking moron.

    None of which takes away from the point that on this occasion he's raised a valid question that warrants investigation - not deflection and attempts to discredit him or others.

    But if other nationalities or even our own native population are found to be at anything illegal then absolutely should they ALL be followed up on and prosecuted where warranted.

    See, nothing to do with race at all, despite every attempt to link the two.

    (and to your last line edit) yep absolutely.. IF being the key word there!


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    #491
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Huh? I hate idiots and racists. Nothing contradictory about that.

    See hating racists makes you as bad as them or something....


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    #492
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    None of which takes away from the point that on this occasion he's raised a valid question that warrants investigation - not deflection and attempts to discredit him or others.

    But if other nationalities or even our own native population are found to be at anything illegal then absolutely should they ALL be followed up on and prosecuted where warranted.

    See, nothing to do with race at all, despite every attempt to link the two.

    He isn’t being blasted for asking the question. He’s being blasted for using wrong figures either knowingly to cause trouble, or he was too stupid to find the right ones.


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    #493
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    If you live and work here you can send money anywhere in the world, anyone can send money anywhere, I genuinely don't understand why this would be an issue can anyone explain.


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    #494
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    If you live and work here you can send money anywhere in the world, anyone can send money anywhere, I genuinely don't understand why this would be an issue can anyone explain.

    Because the CSO guesstimate and the world bank guesstimate are worlds apart. What’s the point in them at all?


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    #495
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Because the CSO guesstimate and the world bank guesstimate are worlds apart. What’s the point in them at all?

    Still does not make any sense why does it matter where people are sending their money its their money.


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    #496
    _Kaiser_
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    He isn’t being blasted for asking the question. He’s being blasted for using wrong figures either knowingly to cause trouble, or he was too stupid to find the right ones.

    This is what's known as moving the goalposts..

    He absolutely has been blasted for raising this at all, with accusations of racism or discrimination being his motivation for doing so.

    Absolutely no one would have an issue if an investigation found that the numbers were wrong or all is legit and accounted for.

    But that's not what sparked the outcry from some.


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    #497
    Roversfan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭Roversfan1


    mariaalice wrote: »
    If you live and work here you can send money anywhere in the world, anyone can send money anywhere, I genuinely don't understand why this would be an issue can anyone explain.

    What if you don't work here?


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    #498
    _Kaiser_
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Still does not make any sense why does it matter where people are sending their money its their money.

    The point is whether that money can legitimately be accounted for.

    If it can't, it's a very different position.


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    #499
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    The point is whether that money can legitimately be accounted for.

    If it can't, it's a very different position.

    If that is his consern why is he now asking if all the money leaving ireland can legitimately be accounted for? I did not catch the whole thing has he some evidence that there is fraud going on?


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    #500
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    MadYaker wrote: »
    He isn’t being blasted for asking the question. He’s being blasted for using wrong figures either knowingly to cause trouble, or he was too stupid to find the right ones.




    Thus originally came up 6 years ago. The figures by the world bank then carry the following disclaimers , as outlined in this post-

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84698399&postcount=153


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    #501
    Gatling
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Still does not make any sense why does it matter where people are sending their money its their money.

    Considering that the unemployment rate for this particular group is around 70+ % ,
    Ten of millions being sent abroad is wrong which in turn mean tens of millions taken out of the economy and exchequer for the benefit of people not living in the state or eu .


    Questions should be asked and varified and rightly so people screaming racism is not going to do any good this needs to be looked at properly
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    #502
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Still does not make any sense why does it matter where people are sending their money its their money.

    In October he was given the CSO figures. Yesterday he cited the world bank figure (Ireland are a member of this group) and there is huge differences in the figures. The world bank figures would equate to every Nigerian man, woman and child sending 26k back to Nigeria. A very high figure for anyone. Which is why it was questioned.

    Well that’s my take on it. The bigger problem is why these government agencies are getting paid to guess stuff.


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    #503
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    This is what's known as moving the goalposts..

    He absolutely has been blasted for raising this at all, with accusations of racism or discrimination being his motivation for doing so.

    Absolutely no one would have an issue if an investigation found that the numbers were wrong or all is legit and accounted for.

    But that's not what sparked the outcry from some.

    Having some knowledge of the guy I personally don’t agree with any accusations of racism, at least I don’t think so. I can understand the reasoning though. If he was genuinely trying to raise what he saw as a concern here he went about it terribly.


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    #504
    hawkelady
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    Has it been clarified yet if the cso or world bank figures are correct ?


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    #505
    Odhinn
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Considering that the unemployment rate for this particular group is around 70+ % ,
    Ten of millions being sent abroad is wrong which in turn mean tens of millions taken out of the economy and exchequer for the benefit of people not living in the state or eu .


    Questions should be asked and varified and rightly so people screaming racism is not going to do any good this needs to be looked at properly




    The figures are not actual totals, they're guesstimates made using some dodgy criteria.


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    #506
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Gatling wrote: »
    Considering that the unemployment rate for this particular group is around 70+ % ,
    Ten of millions being sent abroad is wrong which in turn mean tens of millions taken out of the economy and exchequer for the benefit of people not living in the state or eu .


    Questions should be asked and varified and rightly so people screaming racism is not going to do any good this needs to be looked at properly

    I know a few Nigerians and they all have jobs and work extremely hard, I seriously doubt if 70% are unemployed so bascialy he is motivated by racism or desire to up his profile for the coming election.


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    #507
    Faugheen
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    Having some knowledge of the guy I personally don’t agree with any accusations of racism, at least I don’t think so. I can understand the reasoning though. If he was genuinely trying to raise what he saw as a concern here he went about it terribly.

    And he’s gone hiding after blowing the dog whistle, again.

    It’s a pattern with him. He dog whistles and then doesn’t answer any questions about it.

    He’s a gombeen.


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    I have no doubt at all that the majority of Nigerians are ordinary law abiding citizens, but it has been noted that there is a very significant portion of global organised crime emanating from Nigeria. Not that celtic Ireland hasn’t produced its share of such organised crime, we are seeing that with the latest news about people trafficking. When I meet indigenous Irish people I first presume they aren’t involved in crime, same with Nigerian and any other citizens.

    But it cannot be ignored that amongst these citizens are individuals who are involved in massive crime, and are very clever at evading detection, no doubt delighted with the notion of being untouchable if on account of authorities being afraid to be seen as racist. It should be a wake-up call to investigate how much truth there is about organised crime being directed from certain Nigerian and other cohorts. A very few are directing a massive amount of criminal activity, and as much on its own citizens as in others.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-foreign-mafia-has-come-to-italy-and-further-polarized-the-migration-debate/2019/06/25/377cf978-8235-11e9-b585-e36b16a531aa_story.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jun/11/mafia-palermo-nigerian-gangsters-hit-sicily-shores


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    #509
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    hawkelady wrote: »
    Has it been clarified yet if the cso or world bank figures are correct ?




    They're guesses not actual totals, as was the case when this first came up. They say so themselves.


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    #510
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    MadYaker wrote: »
    What, making up figures and causing a stir over nothing? Why isn’t he having a go at the polish? There’s way more of them they must send home even more. He was my TD for a while and he’s always been a fcuking moron.

    Many families in this country survived on money sent home from over seas for generations. If they’ve earned it let them at it.

    1. He made up no figures.
    2. There are a hell of a lot more Polish people working here, and sending home a lot less that the Nigerians according to the World Bank. That is literally what he queried.


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    #511
    Roversfan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭Roversfan1


    hawkelady wrote: »
    Has it been clarified yet if the cso or world bank figures are correct ?

    No, after 34 pages or so of discussion the final outcome was that Grealish is a racist and that was the reason for all of this.

    Added to that the case is now closed and no one is ever allowed question anything again if it potentially offends a minority group in Ireland


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