Noel Grealish

MrMusician18

JeffKenna wrote: »

That Waterford FC soccer player who was convicted of rape was deported.

I didn't say no one.
The state only deported 250 individuals that had made it into the country in 2018. Most Irish deportations are as a result of a refusal for permission to land.

alastair

MrMusician18 wrote: »

No they don't get deported. Hardly anyone gets deported.

Most get permanent leave to remain after they have exhausted the system.

They don’t. The asylum stats allow for leave to remain decisions too. Only single digit percentages of Nigerian claimants receive positive determinations. The remainder are then issued with deportation orders.

weldoninhio

sk8erboii wrote: »

He has been saying sh*te back in september. He’s a christian nut.

A lot of Nigerians are Christian too. What’s your point?

Eric Cartman

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Is Noel going to refer the recently attacked sex workers to the revenue to ensure their proceeds are being adequately taxed?

Hopefully

MrMusician18

alastair wrote: »

They don’t. The asylum stats allow for leave to remain decisions too. Only single digit percentages of Nigerian claimants receive positive determinations. The remainder are then issued with deportation orders.

There were only 250 deportation orders issued for people inside our borders in 2018.
There were 3600 individual applications in 2018, 250 people were deported, and 800 received refugee status or subsidiary protection.

Do the math.

alastair

MrMusician18 wrote: »

There were only 250 deportation orders issued for people inside our borders in 2018.
There were 3600 individual applications in 2018, 250 people were deported, and 800 received refugee status or subsidiary protection.

Do the math.

You don’t seem to understand the figures, those are for enforced deportations, not deportation orders. The majority of deportations are not enforced, as the people leave the country without requiring enforcement.

The actual number of Nigerians with permission to remain In the country is clear from INIS - 5705 as of 2018 report.

blanch152

Balf wrote: »

And the Nigerian Central Bank haven't a clue? Is that the contention?

And there's no secret. The CSO have concocted this figure.

Yes, those that are defending the Irish CSO actually believe that their white CSO is better than the black CSO in Nigeria, yet they condemn Noel Grealish as racist.

You couldn't make it up, it actually shows how deep the unconscious bias is in people. Dismissing figures that come from Nigeria in favour of those from Ireland and claiming others are racist shows an unbelievable lack of self-awareness.

Seathrun66

jay0109 wrote: »

Just have a look at the Asylum stats in Ireland over the past 20 years. Who was top of the league table for year after year? And how many were coming in year after year?
As the Yanks would say....you do the math!

Asylum is a tiny part of migration figures. Give us some sources for your outlandish statements and we'll engage. Facts not nonsense please.

Seathrun66

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Approximately 94,000 people become Irish citizens between 2011 and 2016. Of those over 20% were Nigerian.

Source please.

Hector Savage

JeffKenna wrote: »

That Waterford FC soccer player who was convicted of rape was deported.

Isn't he a Bohs hero ?
still playing in the FAI as far as I know...

Boggles

Hector Savage wrote: »

Isn't he a Bohs hero ?
still playing in the FAI as far as I know...

It was sexual assault, deported, currently playing in Vietnam.

alastair

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, those that are defending the Irish CSO actually believe that their white CSO is better than the black CSO in Nigeria, yet they condemn Noel Grealish as racist.

You couldn't make it up, it actually shows how deep the unconscious bias is in people. Dismissing figures that come from Nigeria in favour of those from Ireland and claiming others are racist shows an unbelievable lack of self-awareness.

The Nigerian formula for estimating Irish transfers is patently ludicrous, and the consequent figures are Just silly. Loose as the CSO estimate might be, it at least has the merit of being within the bounds of possibility.

crossman47

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, those that are defending the Irish CSO actually believe that their white CSO is better than the black CSO in Nigeria, yet they condemn Noel Grealish as racist.

You couldn't make it up, it actually shows how deep the unconscious bias is in people. Dismissing figures that come from Nigeria in favour of those from Ireland and claiming others are racist shows an unbelievable lack of self-awareness.

Anyone who understands the issue is dismissing the Nigerian figures because they are based on Irish GDP which bears no relationship to immigrants ability to transfer money home. The CSO figure is also an estimate but clearly more reliable - if nothing else because they are closer to the situation on the ground.

crossman47

crossman47 wrote: »

Anyone who understands the issue is dismissing the Nigerian figures because they are based on Irish GDP which bears no relationship to immigrants ability to transfer money home. The CSO figure is also an estimate but clearly more reliable - if nothing else because they are closer to the situation on the ground.

Did you read my post above? The CSO figures do not reflect reality at all.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

It was sexual assault, deported, currently playing in Vietnam.

He arrived in 2001. Conviction in 2014. Deportation order issued in 2016 but he was appealing it. Left by his own accord in 2019. Now playing for ho chi min city.

blanch152

crossman47 wrote: »

Anyone who understands the issue is dismissing the Nigerian figures because they are based on Irish GDP which bears no relationship to immigrants ability to transfer money home. The CSO figure is also an estimate but clearly more reliable - if nothing else because they are closer to the situation on the ground.

Surely the Nigerians are closer to the situation when it comes to counting money arriving into their country?

The CSO may be better able to tell that money is leaving Ireland, but they can't be certain of the destination(s).

Eric Cartman

The idea that any estimate of money and goods being repatriated from ireland to nigeria is a complete farce , very hard to estimate when nobody will give you a straight answer. But the idea that the cso or any other body in ireland would be over-estimating the figures is an even bigger farce. At most even 50% of the value of whats going from here to there is registered.

osarusan

I would guess that the CSO estimate would be reasonably accurate per person.

The problem would be how many times they multiply that to account for the full Nigerian population.

As they only count Nigerians who have sole Nigerian citizenship, they will be missing out on a certain number of dual citizens. Nigerians who become dual citizens are not all going to stop sending money home.

Harvey Weinstein

If it was 3+ billion being repatriated to Russia I suspect we would be seeing a very different response from the media.

alastair

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

If it was 3+ billion being repatriated to Russia I suspect we would be seeing a very different response from the media.

Given it’s an imaginary €3+ billion, it would make no difference where it’s allocated.

weisses

Boggles wrote: »

Do think Noel is actually concerned or do you think his doubling down on his reelection strategy?

If he is labelled a racist based on his comments then so is FF .... he can be the biggest gob****e walking around, but that is not the point

LillySV

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The CSO issued a statement saying that their guesstimate is based on non nationals. Risky move (I think) found that the actual figure of non nationals was 6 thousand and something (same as your figure above?).

The CSO website states clearly that those with dual citizenship are classified as Irish
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

So, they are basing their sums on the belief that not 1 dual national would send money home to their native country once they get Irish citizenship. Surely it should be the opposite? You’re opportunities for work would be less whilst you are awaiting citizenship therefore the amount of monies you could send hone are less. Once your status is confirmed, your opportunities for work increase and ability to earn and send money home is greater.

The CSO stats are as inaccurate as the world banks.

I agree with osauran and someone else who responded to me last night. Noel Grealish did not take the two figures and say “hold on, why is there a huge difference?” He had an agenda. But, none of the other politicians look good either. Leo knew the question was coming and didn’t educate himself either. He went on about Irish sending money home (contradicting how the CSO calculate figures) and did he agree with world bank figures too? Ruth Coppinger just shouted racist and also didn’t have the intelligence to also ask “there’s a serious discrepancy, why?”

If the figures were compiled with a true reflection of the demographic, possibly requesting info from western union, etc and banks, it would probably be found that monies sent home are within a reasonable level anyway. But if the world bank and the CSO are allowed to pull numbers from a hat and governments allowed to use these figures when it suits their agenda then that is wrong.

Vast majority of em have applied and got Irish citizenship so cso figures pure crap.... all they’re doing is highlighting the fact Grealish is right! They haven’t a clue where or what use the money is for and should be carrying out checks on how some are getting and able to send large sums of money abroad.

Ps Grealish mentioned afew countries and pointed out Nigeria was the highest.... yet most journalism at that he singled out Nigeria only .. that’s not true

Boggles

weisses wrote: »

If he is labelled a racist based on his comments then so is FF .... he can be the biggest gob****e walking around, but that is not the point

My question was pretty simple, do you want to take another stab at answering it?

Homelander

LillySV wrote: »

Ps Grealish mentioned afew countries and pointed out Nigeria was the highest.... yet most journalism at that he singled out Nigeria only .. that’s not true

He said he could understand the UK, but mentioned Nigeria in the context of crime and scams. Listen to the Dáil audio, no point commenting when you clearly haven't.

LillySV

LillySV wrote: »

Ps Grealish mentioned afew countries and pointed out Nigeria was the highest.... yet most journalism at that he singled out Nigeria only .. that’s not true

Is there a transcript of the entire thing?

alastair

LillySV wrote: »

Vast majority of em have applied and got Irish citizenship so cso figures pure crap.... all they’re doing is highlighting the fact Grealish is right! They haven’t a clue where or what use the money is for and should be carrying out checks on how some are getting and able to send large sums of money abroad.

Ps Grealish mentioned afew countries and pointed out Nigeria was the highest.... yet most journalism at that he singled out Nigeria only .. that’s not true

Grealish definitely singled out Nigeria, following on from his ‘African spongers’ bit a couple of months back. And no, about half of Nigerians here have Irish citizenship - which is not a ‘vast majority’.

The fact is that there will never be checks on ‘where people are getting their money’, beyond the normal anti-laundering measures that apply to all transactions. And where there’s precisely zero evidence of unusual volumes, there isn’t actually anything to investigate.

kildare lad

Four cars seized in 15 raids targeting €15m Nigerian fraud gang

The four cars were seized by gardai

Ken Foy

Fifteen homes in five counties have been raided in an operation targeting a Nigerian money-laundering network linked to almost €15m of fraud proceeds passed through Irish bank accounts.

No arrests were made in yesterday's high-profile raids, but gardai said they expected to be detaining people in the coming weeks.

Officers from the Garda National Economic Crime Bureau (GNECB) backed up by armed detectives and local garda units were involved in the dawn searches in Dublin, Meath, Laois, Louth and Kildare.

Eleven of the 15 properties raided were in Dublin at locations including Tallaght, Newcastle, Clonsilla, Blanchardstown and Tyrrelstown.

Gardai stressed that the operation was about gathering evidence to be used against the global criminal organisation which has been linked to massive fraud in countries as far away as China.

A Nigerian national has been identified as the leader of the gang which has what is described as a "highly organised hierarchical structure".

Stolen

The gang leaders have recruited over 100 fellow nationals to launder money which has been stolen in invoice redirection frauds from companies in Ireland and all around Europe.

The network targeted yesterday is suspected of being involved in laundering the cash which associates have stolen in the redirection frauds.

Documents, computers and four Nissan X-Trail SUVs were seized during yesterday's raids.

Gardai have asked Irish banks to close around 350 accounts suspected of being used in the fraud.

They have also identified another 170 suspect accounts in mainland Europe, west Africa and China.

The investigation is being led by Detective Superintendent Alf Martin, of the GNECB, who told the Herald: "There is a core group who organised this money-laundering operation who were the targets in the raids.

"They got lots of others, mainly from west Africa, who were recruited to open bank accounts for this purpose.

"Some of these people are working, some are on social welfare," he said.

"There is a core group who organised and managed all of this and many, many others who had very little involvement other than to allow cash to go through their accounts."




Couple in Kildare sentenced over 'one of largest welfare fraud cases in the State'
The couple claimed rent allowance to pay off a mortgage that the husband got under a false name.
Friday 23 March 2018 14:28 226,504160
A 36-YEAR-old man has been jailed for two years and his wife received a three-year suspended sentence for what has been described as one of the largest welfare fraud cases in the State.

The combined fraud totals more than €400,000 and took place over a period of more than eight years.

Kenneth Gboboh and his 41-year-old wife Franca arrived in Ireland from Nigeria in 2006.

Both applied for and began to receive unemployment benefit. Mr Gboboh then established a second identity under the name Patrick Akim and worked as an IT project manager using this name. He also took out a €240,000 mortgage from EBS in 2008 using the name Patrick Akim.

During this time, his wife was continuing to claim jobseeker’s benefit and did not inform the Department of Social Protection that Mr Gboboh was in employment. After he bought the property at Willow Avenue, Primrose Gate, Celbridge in Co Kildare, Franca Gboboh applied to switch their rent allowance to the newly purchased house.

Her husband filled out a tenancy agreement and signed it as Patrick Akim.

Giving evidence at the sentencing hearing at Naas Circuit Court earlier today, investigating garda Tomás Burke said “the rent allowance granted by Irish State was effectively used to pay that rent under false pretenses”.



Overall, Kenneth Gboboh had fraudulently claimed more than €4,000 in jobseeker’s allowance and fraudulently obtained a mortgage of over €240,000. Franca Gboboh had claimed jobseeker’s allowance of more than €132,000 and rent allowance of almost €49,000. The court also heard that since the State stopped paying rent allowance the couple, who have four children have run up €40,000 in arrears on the mortgage.

Garda Burke, who told the court he had worked for three years investigating welfare fraud said: “I believe this one, combined with the mortgage application and the welfare fraud is one of the largest, if not the largest investigated to date.”

Judge Michael O’Shea was informed by defence counsel of a number of mitigating and personal factors in the case, in particular in the case of Mrs Gboboh.

The court heard that investigating gardaí discovered during their questioning that she could neither read nor write, and she claimed her husband had filled out all of the claim forms on her behalf. Garda Burke told the court that he believed it was Mr Gboboh who was “directing and controlling” the fraud.

When asked about the stress the woman had been under over this period, he replied: “She had to essentially commit fraud every week, so I can imagine it was stressful.”

A psychological assessment found the 41-year-old woman had a difficult upbringing in Nigeria and ranked in the bottom one percentile intellectually. The court was also told that the couple’s youngest child has autism.

Justice O’Shea handed down a three-year sentence to Kenneth Gboboh, with the last 12 months suspended. In sentencing his wife, he acknowledged that she had been “under the control and influence of her husband”.

And while he said children should not be “used as a shield”, he asked: “Can the children lose two parents in one day?”

He sentenced her to three years for each of the 14 counts of fraud to run concurrently and suspended all three years.



Now I'm not saying all Nigerians are dodgy but a lot of them are. They've a huge unemployment rate compared at 56% while the current employment rate is at 5% . All of them just came over to ride the gravy train that we have in this country . It's not racist it's just facts

Boggles

kildare lad wrote: »

Now I'm not saying all Nigerians are dodgy but a lot of them are. They've a huge unemployment rate compared at 56% while the current employment rate is at 5% . All of them just came over to ride the gravy train that we have in this country . It's not racist it's just facts

Link?

LollipopJimmy

kildare lad wrote: »

Now I'm not saying all Nigerians are dodgy but a lot of them are. They've a huge unemployment rate compared at 56% while the current employment rate is at 5% . All of them just came over to ride the gravy train that we have in this country . It's not racist it's just facts

There is a higher unemployment rate among travellers and if you made the same comments about them then you'd have Martin Collins knocking at your door

Faugheen

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The CSO issued a statement saying that their guesstimate is based on non nationals. Risky move (I think) found that the actual figure of non nationals was 6 thousand and something (same as your figure above?).

The CSO website states clearly that those with dual citizenship are classified as Irish
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

So, they are basing their sums on the belief that not 1 dual national would send money home to their native country once they get Irish citizenship. Surely it should be the opposite? You’re opportunities for work would be less whilst you are awaiting citizenship therefore the amount of monies you could send hone are less. Once your status is confirmed, your opportunities for work increase and ability to earn and send money home is greater.

The CSO stats are as inaccurate as the world banks.

I agree with osauran and someone else who responded to me last night. Noel Grealish did not take the two figures and say “hold on, why is there a huge difference?” He had an agenda. But, none of the other politicians look good either. Leo knew the question was coming and didn’t educate himself either. He went on about Irish sending money home (contradicting how the CSO calculate figures) and did he agree with world bank figures too? Ruth Coppinger just shouted racist and also didn’t have the intelligence to also ask “there’s a serious discrepancy, why?”

If the figures were compiled with a true reflection of the demographic, possibly requesting info from western union, etc and banks, it would probably be found that monies sent home are within a reasonable level anyway. But if the world bank and the CSO are allowed to pull numbers from a hat and governments allowed to use these figures when it suits their agenda then that is wrong.

Christ.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7dn/

Go here, then go down to the interactive link, which I will link for you here.

https://statbank.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=E7047&PLanguage=0

Then put in all ages, both sexes and Irish-Nigerian, and you get the number of Irish-Nigerian which is 6,995, as per the 2016 Census.

Do I have to do everything for you or are you incapable of finding this **** out yourself?