If a German regime took over the running and planning of Ireland in the 1950s..

badabing106

What would Ireland look like today?

If they (or any other regime, free from gombeenism) had wanted to make a go of Ireland as a country, putting all their resources and strategic planning behind it. What would Ireland look like today. What would be the social and economic landscape look like?

Let me get out my calculator

I can't imagine childcare costing 1000 per month in some places? Possibly free or 90 % subsidised with childcare amenities planned for

Housing. Would a average sized house in a nice area in Dublin cost 1 million? Lol. 1/4 million max?

Cost of food and entertainment? 50% less? 148 euro plus 8 euro ticketmaster fees for front row seats to see David Gray in an arena? Are you having a laugh

Sports. Would it have taken 72 years to build an Olympic sized pool in Ireland? Would Ireland be having a national holiday getting dumped out of the soccer world cup quarter finals?

Infrastructure. I presume there would be fast and frequent rail transport from airports


Industry. We would be leaders of renewable energy technologies employing 10s of thousands. The size of the waves off the coast of Ireland

Average industrial wage. Double what it is today

badabing106

badabing106 wrote: »

What would Ireland look like today?

If they (or any other regime, free from gombeenism) had wanted to make a go of Ireland as a country, putting all their resources and strategic planning behind it. What would Ireland look like today. What would be the social and economic landscape look like?

Let me get out my calculator

I can't imagine childcare costing 1000 per month in some places? Possibly free or 90 % subsidised with childcare amenities planned for

Housing. Would a average sized house in a nice area in Dublin cost 1 million? Lol. 1/4 million max?

Cost of food and entertainment? 50% less? 148 euro plus 8 euro ticketmaster fees for front row seats to see David Gray in an arena? Are you having a laugh

Sports. Would it have taken 72 years to build an Olympic sized pool in Ireland? Would Ireland be having a national holiday getting dumped out of the soccer world cup quarter finals?

Infrastructure. I presume there would be fast and frequent rail transport from airports

:pac:
Industry. We would be leaders of renewable energy technologies employing 10s of thousands. The size of the waves off the coast of Ireland

Average industrial wage. Double what it is today

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

LineOfBeauty

At least triple the amount of parades each year.

0byme75341jo28

Is it any wonder no one looks at Boards anymore?

corner of hells

I'd like to be a Tiger tank commander or maybe a Stuka pilot.

Herself could be in trouble though , the old Jewish heritage wouldn't do her any good.

Ipso

It would be hard to get used to people dressed in black telling everyone what to do.

Without going into the ethical and moral issues of the Nazi regime, the perception of its efficiency and ability to have "the trains run on time" was just that. A perception.

In reality, the regime was rife with croneyism and corruption. It had to rely on slave labour to function.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Jesus wept!

Yester

The buses would run on time

SmartinMartin

You wouldn't see many travellers around.

riffmongous

3 words into the title and you just know this thread is going to be a Trainwreck, fair play OP, your nazi heroes would be proud of your efficiency

Stacksofwacks

So in a nutshell your saying we would be all better off if the Nazis took over, good god

I Am The Law

Ward J. Littell wrote: »

Without going into the ethical and moral issues of the Nazi regime, the perception of its efficiency and ability to have "the trains run on time" was just that. A perception.

In reality, the regime was rife with croneyism and corruption. It had to rely on slave labour to function.

No change there then.

LirW

There'd be one hell of an Autobahn around Dublin.

The Tetrarch

Nice uniforms for everyone.

Samuel T. Cogley

No more Man in the High Castle for you OP.

corner of hells

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Nice uniforms for everyone.

Theres thousands of young fellas going round Dublin already with the haircut to go with the uniforms.

Stacksofwacks

We'd be living under a dictatorship of a foreign murder cult, whatever little of us that were left. Even if the Nazi's won the war the regime would never have survived no more than a few decades anyway. There would have been too many uprisings and rebellions. Europe is nigh on impossible to control anyway as there are so many different nations and ethnicities. It was a doomed project from the start

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I see the thread title has changed from Nazi to German.

So, do the points in the OP still stand?


Childcare in some parts of Germany exceeds €900 per month. Utilities cost approx. €250 per month. An apartment in Munich is €2,250+ per month.

Sincere Big Mountain

Sincere Big Mountain wrote: »

I see the thread title has changed from Nazi to German.

About as subtle as a brick to the face. Imagine if he squeezes the calculator it makes a noise.

Ipso

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

We'd be living under a dictatorship of a foreign murder cult, whatever little of us that were left. Even if the Nazi's won the war the regime would never have survived no more than a few decades anyway. There would have been too many uprisings and rebellions. Europe is nigh on impossible to control anyway as there are so many different nations and ethnicities. It was a doomed project from the start

Shur, as long as they weren't English.

Jonybgud

Deleted User wrote: »

About as subtle as a brick to the face. Imagine if he squeezes the calculator it makes a noise.

Abacus, eye eye who has money for batteries,

badabing106

Ward J. Littell wrote: »

Without going into the ethical and moral issues of the Nazi regime, the perception of its efficiency and ability to have "the trains run on time" was just that. A perception.

In reality, the regime was rife with croneyism and corruption. It had to rely on slave labour to function.

Fair point, None of that credit goes to the Nazis, but Germany industry and technology enterprise was second to none in that time period

Germany went from economic obliteration after world war 1 to a superpower and leaders in industry and technology in the short time preceding

kona

Pavee point would have a awful time .

banie01

corner of hells wrote: »

I'd like to be a Tiger tank commander or maybe a Stuka pilot.

Herself could be in trouble though , the old Jewish heritage wouldn't do her any good.

ILoveYourVibes is your Mrs?

banie01

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Nice uniforms for everyone.

Quite fond of a bit of Hugo Boss aftershave, their uniforms are sweet too

FrancieBrady

Caclick Germans or Proddy ones?

TuringBot47

Cheap volkswagens for all and no VRT.
Although they'd probably force the country to left hand drive for efficiency.

badabing106

badabing106 wrote: »

Fair point, None of that credit goes to the Nazis, but Germany industry and technology enterprise was second to none in that time period

Germany went from economic obliteration after world war 1 to a superpower and leaders in industry and technology in the short time preceding

I wouldn't go that far. I mean the German army was still using horses all the way through World War 2 when the allies had become almost completely mechanized.

badabing106

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

We'd be living under a dictatorship of a foreign murder cult, whatever little of us that were left

There are very few countries in history that haven't lived under a dictarship of a foreign murder cult?


In fact, are there any?

Stacksofwacks

badabing106 wrote: »

There are very few countries in history that haven't lived under a dictarship of a foreign murder cult?


In fact, are there any?

Look in fairness the Brits while they did commit atrocities from time to time they never put people in concentration camps and systematically murdered whole races of people

Fritzbox

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Look in fairness the Brits while they did commit atrocities from time to time they never put people in concentration camps and systematically murdered whole races of people

Didn't the British set up concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer War, and what about the native Aborigines of Tasmania?

Stacksofwacks

Fritzbox wrote: »

Didn't the British set up concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer War, and what about the native Aborigines of Tasmania?

Quite possibly I haven't looked into these incidents, Im sure there were episodes in the British colonial era that would be considered bordering on genocidal acts, but I doubt anything as blatant and callous as what the Nazis did to the Jews

_Brian

Much of the problems in Ireland are deep in the Irish mentality.
Bringing in a governmental regime from somewhere like Germany would be a disaster.
Irish people talk about improved standards and a tighter ran ship, but they really mean they want that don’t on other people rather than themselves or their household.

Cute hoorism, parish pump politics, nepotism are all Irish traits, it’s silly to think we then wouldn’t see them in Irish governmental officials.

Snails pace

kona wrote: »

Pavee point would have a awful time .

I dont think they'd exist, probably the only good thing I can think of

banie01

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Look in fairness the Brits while they did commit atrocities from time to time they never put people in concentration camps and systematically murdered whole races of people

The Brits are the inventors of the concentration camp.
Aside from that, gassing was much too labour intensive for the Brits.
Take a look at what they did to cause the Bengal famine and the death toll there.
Not all that long ago either.

mikemac2

Who is ready to pay the religion tax to attend your local church?

Stacksofwacks

banie01 wrote: »

The Brits are the inventors of the concentration camp.
Aside from that, gassing was much too labour intensive for the Brits.
Take a look at what they did to cause the Bengal famine and the death toll there.
Not all that long ago either.

I hear people say too that the brits deliberately caused the Irish famine, which I believe is incorrect. There was definitely ambivalence and neglect to what was happening in Ireland but not outright malice.

badabing106

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Quite possibly I haven't looked into these incidents, Im sure there were episodes in the British colonial era that would be considered bordering on genocidal acts, but I doubt anything as blatant and callous as what the Nazis did to the Jews

What about the blatant and callousness of what Oliver Cromwell did to the Irish

[URL] https://www.historyireland.com/cromwell/how-many-died-during-cromwells-campaign/[/URL]


And I'm sure this callousness applies to every country that has ever existed

LirW

Sincere Big Mountain wrote: »

I see the thread title has changed from Nazi to German.

So, do the points in the OP still stand?


Childcare in some parts of Germany exceeds €900 per month. Utilities cost approx. €250 per month. An apartment in Munich is €2,250+ per month.

Munich is an outlier though and not really representative for a couple of reasons: there's pretty much no domestic building. Also Munich attracts international high society and a lot of rich people are spending insane money to live there. It is an unspeakably rich city with a lot of investment and it has a rental shortage for decades now.

Also unless you send your child into a really fancy private facility you won't pay 900 euros. For one child that needs 35 hours you'll pay anywhere from 0 - 400 euros depending on where you live and what they earn. There is a difference between council and private facilities and private ones have no guidelines, but 400 would be a really high fee to pay for a state facility.

_Brian

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

I hear people say too that the brits deliberately caused the Irish famine, which I believe is incorrect. There was definitely ambivalence and neglect to what was happening in Ireland but not outright malice.

There was no Irish famine.
Yea the potato crop failed.

But ireland was full of other crops and plenty of livestock.

What we had was genocide committed by the English occupying force. They used the failure of the potato crop as a convenient method to decimate the population and make us far easier to deal with.

There are lists of the food exported by English landlords from Ireland during the time that Irish people were dying in ditches from starvation.

Genocide not famine.

cj maxx

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

I hear people say too that the brits deliberately caused the Irish famine, which I believe is incorrect. There was definitely ambivalence and neglect to what was happening in Ireland but not outright malice.

They didn't cause the blight , but they did cause the famine by denying the irish the food available and shipping loads of it to England. My history books said anyway

LirW

mikemac2 wrote: »

Who is ready to pay the religion tax to attend your local church?

That's why people simply leave the church, you can do that over there.
And for everyone wanting to go, that's part and parcel of being a Christian; the tax is also not collected by the state but by the church.

banie01

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

I hear people say too that the brits deliberately caused the Irish famine, which I believe is incorrect. There was definitely ambivalence and neglect to what was happening in Ireland but not outright malice.

Wanton incompetence and indifference played quite a part in it.
Turning high quality arable land over to cash crops whilst forcing marginal land over to the growing of a single staple crop all had considerable impact on the causes of the famine.
As did the rents, the lack of reliefs available and numerous other contributory factors that were all in the gift of the landlord class and the Parliament.

Where stupidity leads to genocide, do you fell that no culpability accrues via a lack of malice then?
Or are you just feigning historical ignorance in an effort to troll?

Stacksofwacks

banie01 wrote: »

Wanton incompetence and indifference played quite a part in it.
Turning high quality arable land over to cash crops whilst forcing marginal land over to the growing of a single staple crop all had considerable impact on the causes of the famine.
As did the rents, the lack of reliefs available and numerous other contributory factors that were all in the gift of the landlord class and the Parliament.

Where stupidity leads to genocide, do you fell that no culpability accrues via a lack of malice then?
Or are you just feigning historical ignorance in an effort to troll?

Im not saying the brits were blameless and they definitely didn't help the situation but I don't think it amounted to Genocide. Just a difference of opinion, that's all

_Brian

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Im not saying the brits were blameless and they definitely didn't help the situation but I don't think it amounted to Genocide. Just a difference of opinion, that's all

Difference of opinions is a human trait and always encouraged.

It happens on this occasion that your is wrong.

banie01

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Im not saying the brits were blameless and they definitely didn't help the situation but I don't think it amounted to Genocide. Just a difference of opinion, that's all

Perhaps if you could qualify your position on what does constitute a genocide?
The Irish famine is an object lesson in ensuring the deaths of the most maligned portion of Irish society in the eyes of the British establishment at the time, in a manner that needed very little input or expenditure in men or material.

A masterclass in efficient genocide, as was Bengal.
There is quite a degree of scholarly writing that would support the British position during the famine as being at its very best...
Malicious indifference.
What's your own opinion based on?

Stacksofwacks

banie01 wrote: »

Perhaps if you could qualify your position on what does constitute a genocide?
The Irish famine is an object lesson in ensuring the deaths of the most maligned portion of Irish society in the eyes of the British establishment at the time, in a manner that needed very little input or expenditure in men or material.

A masterclass in efficient genocide, as was Bengal.
There is quite a degree of scholarly writing that would support the British position during the famine as being at its very best...
Malicious indifference.
What's your own opinion based on?

Its a while since I did history in school but I never got the impression that it was entirely the Brits fault, yes they should shoulder a good portion of it for how they reacted/didn't react but it was mainly down to circumstances, bad luck etc. A genocide I would define as something preplanned and systematic, now you could be right and maybe the Brits did plan it all out or even saw what was happening and took advantage. But again, just my opinion

RobbingBandit

East or West Germans

Thelonious Monk

There would be planned towns and villages that are connected with public transport, trees, and my absolute favourite - no one off housing - drool.

The Tetrarch

How did this thread become a thread about the Brits?