New NOx VRT levy

ELM327

Yes, hence why I said "guide" instead of rule

Dr Dave

thadg wrote: »

Is there any website that shows the NOX emissions for each car or even by putting in a uk/irl reg number? EG how do i know the nox levels for a 2012 520d m sport without having the V5 in front of me?
Looks like the euro 5 3.0 d engines by bmw are only approx 500 extra, if my calculation is right, but i may be wrong. Its sad that revenue cant have it built into the vrt price automatically. They had long enough to sort it. It is confusing on purpose by them

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/calculating-vrt/calculating-the-nox-charge.aspx

This link has an excel sheet half way down the page that you can download which might be able to help you.
There are a lot of different versions so you really need to know what car you are looking up. The wrong choice and you could go from a bill of €300 to €3,000.

crystalbrite

Dr Dave wrote: »

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/calculating-vrt/calculating-the-nox-charge.aspx

This link has an excel sheet half way down the page that you can download which might be able to help you.
There are a lot of different versions so you really need to know what car you are looking up. The wrong choice and you could go from a bill of €300 to €3,000.

Ya I was already looking at that.
They have an Audi A4 1.4 TFSI S-line automatic but I'm looking for the number for a manual.

rabbitinlights

Petrol cars from the UK have now become much more attractive, just need to find the right balance of power and CO2.

commited

User1998 wrote: »

The €600 cap is for petrol cars only

Euro 6 diesels by nature are limited to a Nox tax of €600, so it's the best way to do a quick check from the UK imho

ELM327

rabbitinlights wrote: »

Petrol cars from the UK have now become much more attractive, just need to find the right balance of power and CO2.

Yes I agree - have said this since the change was announced

colm_mcm

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes, hence why I said "guide" instead of rule

But it’s not a guide at all. There’s no way you can tell if a particular car will be €300 or €3000 by just going on Co2. Biggest factor is how the exhaust gasses are treated.

homer90

colm_mcm wrote: »

But it’s not a guide at all. There’s no way you can tell if a particular car will be €300 or €3000 by just going on Co2. Biggest factor is how the exhaust gasses are treated.

Indeed, A good example is a Hyundai i30 which I imported for the wife pre Nox charges. Its on the A2 tax band / €180 annual tax. Now hit with €2k+ nox charge.

L-M

Another victim lol

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/23705826

colm_mcm

L-M wrote: »

Another victim lol

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/23705826

There was 80000 on that last March.

Also

Volkswagen Golf 1.6 tdi bluemotion tech match(highest spec golf possible)

Gettttafook



Wouldn’t these be really low nox on paper?

KCross

L-M wrote: »

Another victim lol

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/23705826

Looks like it is 107 g/km for CO2 so €1126 for VRT (VRT stat code 42586963)
And the NOx on it is 116 mg/km so another €1500 on top! Ouch.

A bit of a shock to him I'd say if he wasnt aware of this new tax!


So, thats €6800 before its cleared. What's it worth here?

L-M

It’s actually not bad value at 6800, thought it would be more for a 2011??

Still, smell a rat anyway.

Infernal Racket

All the side of the road dealers with UK cars are proper ****ed now. A lot of legit dealers are getting caught out too. Stocked up on uk cars looking to make a killing with Brexit but now they're left with their stock

rabbitinlights

commited wrote: »

Euro 6 diesels by nature are limited to a Nox tax of €600, so it's the best way to do a quick check from the UK imho

Is this 100%? - Are all Euro6 Diesel capped at €600, even a 2015/16 535D? - the ones I've checked are ULEZ exempt but so hard to get concrete NoX numbers.

ELM327

rabbitinlights wrote: »

Is this 100%? - Are all Euro6 Diesel capped at €600, even a 2015/16 535D? - the ones I've checked are ULEZ exempt but so hard to get concrete NoX numbers.

There was a spreadsheet from revenue with F10 and newer 535d on it with specific numbers

KCross

rabbitinlights wrote: »

Is this 100%? - Are all Euro6 Diesel capped at €600, even a 2015/16 535D? - the ones I've checked are ULEZ exempt but so hard to get concrete NoX numbers.

The Euro 6 requirement was a max of 80mg NOx so that means the max should be €600 (€5*60 + €15*20=€600), if its Euro 6.

A 535d appears to have a NOx figure of 72mg NOx so slightly less than €600, on top of the existing VRT, of course.

You need sight of the figure on the V5 though as the models can be retested and two cars that look/spec the same can have different figures so dont assume, but if it is confirmed Euro 6 you should be safe enough.

commited

rabbitinlights wrote: »

Is this 100%? - Are all Euro6 Diesel capped at €600, even a 2015/16 535D? - the ones I've checked are ULEZ exempt but so hard to get concrete NoX numbers.

Yes, it can't meet Euro 6 if Nox is higher than 80mg.

cd76

mgn wrote: »

There are plenty of other threads where you can chirp on about the environment, this thread is here to help people importing cars.

This is about the economics of importing. The nox charges were fully signalled. Ignorance of the process and taxes is not relevant.

mgn

cd76 wrote: »

This is about the economics of importing. The nox charges were fully signalled. Ignorance of the process and taxes is not relevant.

It's another tax, plain and simple.

cnocbui

The Irish government loves taxes. Socialism is part of the national psyche. 10% of all government revenues come from taxing cars.

punisher5112

mgn wrote: »

It's another tax, plain and simple.

Yes but this time it actually does benefit us as a nation...

Fcuk the UK and their cancer causing rejected diesels.


I'd love to see the figures though.

L-M

Used Imports are down 25 percent this year so far.

punisher5112

L-M wrote: »

Used Imports are down 25 percent this year so far.

Good.

cnocbui

punisher5112 wrote: »

Good.

I disagree.

The single market refers to the EU as one territory without any internal borders or other regulatory obstacles to the free movement of goods and services. A functioning single market stimulates competition and trade, improves efficiency, raises quality, and helps cut prices. The European single market is one of the EU’s greatest achievements. It has fuelled economic growth and made the everyday life of European businesses and consumers easier.

mgn

L-M wrote: »

Used Imports are down 25 percent this year so far.

More down to weaker sterling and the country flooded with cars than it has to do with the NOX tax.

punisher5112

cnocbui wrote: »

I disagree.

Why, we have enough cancer causing diesel we don't need the UK rubbish too.

I'm all for a free market but it ain't going to happen there is too much to be made.

What's needed is help for those with dirty diesels etc to be able to get something much cleaner.

cnocbui

I loath diesels. The way to help people is to reduce the tax on petrol so it's considerably cheaper than diesel - which is the way it was and would be naturally if the government hadn't stuck it's oar in - and get rid of VRT on petrol vehicles.

The Irish government and Irish socialists are really big on coercion. It's this I dislike and think is wrong.

punisher5112

Green party is the killer of many with their bright idea that big diesel engine were cleaner then a 1.0 Micra and tax a 2.0 diesel cheaper then it.....


I actually can't believe they have got support again....

Ryan was on stating there should be 30 cars in the city and everyone share them....

What an absolute fool imo

elperello

punisher5112 wrote: »

Green party is the killer of many with their bright idea that big diesel engine were cleaner then a 1.0 Micra and tax a 2.0 diesel cheaper then it.....


I actually can't believe they have got support again....

Ryan was on stating there should be 30 cars in the city and everyone share them....

What an absolute fool imo

30 cars where, in what city?

cnocbui

Presumably which ever one he lives in.