New NOx VRT levy

elperello

cnocbui wrote: »

Yes, and reduce the motor tax on petrol cars to well below diesels. Use carrots; far too much using the stick has been going on.

While I wouldn't mind seeing that happen I don't think Dept. of Finance would wear it.
They are all about protecting revenue.

daraghoc

As a pick up(Ford ranger,Nissan Navara etc) is classed as an N1 vehicle, am I correct in thinking that the new NOx charge does not apply? .... just the VRT to pay on import as before!

KCross

daraghoc wrote: »

As a pick up(Ford ranger,Nissan Navara etc) is classed as an N1 vehicle, am I correct in thinking that the new NOx charge does not apply? .... just the VRT to pay on import as before!

It’s an interesting one

The revenue site says category A gets the tax but also says...

VRT Category A is for passenger vehicles including cars and minibuses. These minbuses cannot carry more the eight people and a driver. These vehicles are generally European category M1. Also included in this category are certain category N1 vehicles which have four or more seats.

I think you’d need to clarify with revenue before you import.

How many seats does the one you’re looking at have?

daraghoc

It would be a double cab I'd be looking at ... so 5 seats I guess .... I'm pretty sure it would be subject to the NOx charge ... prob just not clear from the website.

KCross

daraghoc wrote: »

It would be a double cab I'd be looking at ... so 5 seats I guess .... I'm pretty sure it would be subject to the NOx charge ... prob just not clear from the website.

The revenue website also has a speadsheet of example vehicles with associated NOx levy shown. The 2.5L Navara is listed as 360mg/km so a €4850 NOx levy(i.e. the max possible)!

I presume that would make it uneconomical to import. Maybe newer models are better but I'd imagine the levy would still be quite high.

colm_mcm

360 is a ridiculously high amount of nox.

Atlantic Dawn

Out of interest what's going to happen to all the UK reg stuff sitting in dealers unregistered here now, some of it will cost thousands per car to clear and will result in being more expensive than car already registered here? Will they be exporting them back to UK?

daraghoc

I'd be looking at fairly new models .... 2018 or 2019. Ford Ranger Eco blu 2.0L or Mitsubishi L200 or Nissan Navara or Toyota Hilux. Very hard to find any info on specific NOx levels other than all the newer models are Euro 6 compliant.

colm_mcm

daraghoc wrote: »

I'd be looking at fairly new models .... 2018 or 2019. Ford Ranger Eco blu 2.0L or Mitsubishi L200 or Nissan Navara or Toyota Hilux. Very hard to find any info on specific NOx levels other than all the newer models are Euro 6 compliant.

Doesn’t it have to be sub 80mg to be Euro 6? Are there different limits for commercial vehicles?

Marcusm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Out of interest what's going to happen to all the UK reg stuff sitting in dealers unregistered here now, some of it will cost thousands per car to clear and will result in being more expensive than car already registered here? Will they be exporting them back to UK?

THe sensible dealers would have prereg'd them in December.

KCross

colm_mcm wrote: »

Doesn’t it have to be sub 80mg to be Euro 6? Are there different limits for commercial vehicles?

I think they can go upto 125mg/km so a max levy in that case of about €1700

L-M

Marcusm wrote: »

THe sensible dealers would have prereg'd them in December.

To be fair, some dealers had an awful lot of stock. Hard to just stump up all that cash to clear everything.

1hnr79jr65

With this Nox charge, does it mean it is not worth importing anymore ?

ELM327

It makes no difference to newer diesels and large engined petrol.

Dr Dave

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

With this Nox charge, does it mean it is not worth importing anymore ?

For Euro5 diesels and older, I would say yes.
Newer stuff (Euro6), probably not.

My 2011 diesel I imported 2 years ago, would be not worth bringing in now.

punisher5112

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

With this Nox charge, does it mean it is not worth importing anymore ?

If you plan on importing a diesel you want to be very sure of the Nox emissions it omits as it could cost just shy of €5k extra on top of the vrt....

The exact Nox emissions should be on the v5 but if not you would need the chassis to check or registration.

Petrol has a max Nox charge of €600 so they are classed as cleaner of course.

It definitely isn't worth it unless it's most likely at minimum 2015 upwards....

colm_mcm

Keep in mind some manufacturers had some Euro 6 cars earlier.

Some BMWs were Euro6 in 2012 for example

Buyacar.co.uk has a list of early Euro6 diesels.

galwaytt

elperello wrote: »

Maybe a few less cars built, as you know vehicle manufacture is very energy intensive. Plus the people would have more disposable income.

You don't have to be a Green to understand that the less time and money you spend on transport the better.

There's no need to tell me to look at a map I'm well aware of our size in the greater scheme of things.

The Green Party supports walking and cycling to school.

Sorry but you seem to have missed the point of the Motors forum.



So, while cars are as necessary as oxygen once you leave the Pale, there is a huge cohort of us - and millions of jobs worldwide btw - who drive because we like doing so. Ideally not crawling on the M50 I grant you, but you get the idea....

CtrlAltDelete

punisher5112 wrote: »

If you plan on importing a diesel you want to be very sure of the Nox emissions it omits as it could cost just shy of €5k extra on top of the vrt....

The exact Nox emissions should be on the v5 but if not you would need the chassis to check or registration.

Petrol has a max Nox charge of €600 so they are classed as cleaner of course.

It definitely isn't worth it unless it's most likely at minimum 2015 upwards....

Quoting a year is a very misleading statement to anyone trying to educate themselves on the parameters.

elperello

galwaytt wrote: »

Sorry but you seem to have missed the point of the Motors forum.



So, while cars are as necessary as oxygen once you leave the Pale, there is a huge cohort of us - and millions of jobs worldwide btw - who drive because we like doing so. Ideally not crawling on the M50 I grant you, but you get the idea....

Bit of a misunderstanding there.

I haven't missed the point of the Motors Forum and I post here all the time.

That post was part of a discussion about the Green Party (which I'm not a member of) proposals for car sharing.

We were talking about people who are using cars for commuting, crawling on the M50 and all the other dull stuff.

Of course I know some motorists drive for the love of it. I'm one of them

punisher5112

CtrlAltDelete wrote: »

Quoting a year is a very misleading statement to anyone trying to educate themselves on the parameters.

I said most likely... Didn't say 100%

Euro 6 is a must

thadg

punisher5112 wrote: »

I said most likely... Didn't say 100%

Euro 6 is a must

2013 535d m sport with euro 6 engine is 475 euro extra NOX charge. Probably still worth it

miss jenny2010

Does anyone know the nox charge on a Ford focus new model 2018 1.5 diesel titatiaum

punisher5112

miss jenny2010 wrote: »

Does anyone know the nox charge on a Ford focus new model 2018 1.5 diesel titatiaum

It won't be high as it's the latest euro 6.
Get the Nox value on it if you can ask the seller as it will be on the v5.
Then calculate.

mgn

miss jenny2010 wrote: »

Does anyone know the nox charge on a Ford focus new model 2018 1.5 diesel titatiaum

Nox emissions 62, so that will be €330.

That is for the 120ps engine, there is a lower 95ps engine in some Zetec models and that has Nox emissions of 48

Maxran

NEW poster here having been looking on for a while , i brought uk reg ford ranger doublecab pickup to nct centre today was NOT charged any nox tax because it is a category B vehicle whereas a crewcab transit or sprinter is liable for nox tax according to the man in the nct centre dealing with me . my pickup is a euro 5 engine with 236 mg/km

colm_mcm

So is your classification M1 or N1?

Maxran

I think its n1 according to vrt manual page 57 , pages 58 and 59 show the difference between a crewcab van and a crew cab pickup

bri007

I’m looking at buying a 2015 diesel bmw 4 series. Vrt is costing me €3600 and I need to pay deposit on it before close of today. It’s based in London and they will hold it if the Coronavirus travel restrictions get worse.

Just wondering about the NOx charge... how do I find out how much that is? Sorry if it’s already been said but I couldn’t find it further back in comments

punisher5112

bri007 wrote: »

I’m looking at buying a 2015 diesel bmw 4 series. Vrt is costing me €3600 and I need to pay deposit on it before close of today. It’s based in London and they will hold it if the Coronavirus travel restrictions get worse.

Just wondering about the NOx charge... how do I find out how much that is? Sorry if it’s already been said but I couldn’t find it further back in comments

Ask them for it.

Make sure it matches car.

It may well be not worth your while bringing it in.