I hate dentists

NSAman

NSAman wrote: »

Try 1000 euro an implant including all crowns,,,but that is one of those foreign dentists who we are all warned about by irish dentists because their standards aren’t as high..:)

To practice in Ireland you have to satisfy the Registration requirements set by the Irish Dental Council, once you do that, your nationality is immaterial. Certainly there has been concern about foreign Registrants who set up pop up Clnics here and close after a short period having left a trail of unhappy customers, lost deposits and litigation. There was a Clinic in the IFSC which did this recently and you will find High Court cases relating to another who did assessments here, but surgery in his country.

In direct response to your quote though, there are many Clinics which offer implants for less than €2100, so saying the Southern dentists can’t compete is a fallacy.

NSAman

Dav010 wrote: »

To practice in Ireland you have to satisfy the Registration requirements set by the Irish Dental Council, once you do that, your nationality is immaterial. Certainly there has been concern about foreign Registrants who set up pop up Clnics here and close after a short period having left a trail of unhappy customers, lost deposits and litigation. There was a Clinic in the IFSC which did this recently and you will find High Court cases relating to another who did assessments here, but surgery in his country.

In direct response to your quote though, there are many Clinics which offer implants for less than €2100, so saying the Southern dentists can’t compete is a fallacy.

Dav, in all fairness, they cannot. I am not talking about a foreign dentist in ireland I am talking about a foreign dentist in a different country...

Dentists in Ireland can compete with basic cleaning etc on a cost basis, but for other work they are FAR more expensive.

I live in the US where costs are astronomical. I have a dentist here for regular check ups.

When I am home I get my teeth cleaned and checked in the North (as I am there visiting with friends) cost 30 pounds a little more if I need xrays.

Quotes I got for work in the North were HALF the cost in the South for exactly the same treatment.

I research costs and qualifications before doing any work.

I only use the same people if they work out correctly. I currently have three dentists. One in NI, one in the US and a third in an EU country (professor of dentistry at main university in country) who does major work if needed.

I have been working on my teeth for over ten years, the original costs in Ireland were close to 35K euro. To date, it has cost me less than 10K by shopping around abroad.

NSAman

NSAman wrote: »

Dav, in all fairness, they cannot. I am not talking about a foreign dentist in ireland I am talking about a foreign dentist in a different country...

Dentists in Ireland can compete with basic cleaning etc on a cost basis, but for other work they are FAR more expensive.

I live in the US where costs are astronomical. I have a dentist here for regular check ups.

When I am home I get my teeth cleaned and checked in the North (as I am there visiting with friends) cost 30 pounds a little more if I need xrays.

Quotes I got for work in the North were HALF the cost in the South for exactly the same treatment.

I research costs and qualifications before doing any work.

I only use the same people if they work out correctly. I currently have three dentists. One in NI, one in the US and a third in an EU country (professor of dentistry at main university in country) who does major work if needed.

I have been working on my teeth for over ten years, the original costs in Ireland were close to 35K euro. To date, it has cost me less than 10K by shopping around abroad.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that treatment is not cheaper abroad, many Americans go to Mexico for the same reasons as people travel from here, lower cost economies can provide services at a lower cost.

The posters gripe was that Southern dentists cannot compete with Northern ones for a €2100 implant, they evidence shows otherwise, a quick google of Clinics north and south show that even for the North, £1700 is at the lower end of the cost scale, and €3k here is at the high end. The majority are close to the median of those two prices.

I honestly do not have an issue with people travelling abroad and do not engage with the view that the treatment is any worse than here. I do have an issue with some work I see due to the haste which with it was done, aftercare arrangements which inevitably mean you need to return to the country and the lack of co-operation when things go wrong. But like everything, everywhere, they are in the minority.

I just had a look at pricing for routine treatments in around 10 Clinics in Newry/Belfast/Enniskillen and I really don’t see the huge price difference you are posting about, quite a few are actually more expensive than my own Clinic, but I do concede that prices in Dublin are higher than in most places outside for obvious operational cost reasons.

NSAman

Dav010 wrote: »

I don’t think anyone is arguing that treatment is not cheaper abroad, many Americans go to Mexico for the same reasons as people travel from here, lower cost economies can provide services at a lower cost.

The posters gripe was that Southern dentists cannot compete with Northern ones for a €2100 implant, they evidence shows otherwise, a quick google of Clinics north and south show that even for the North, £1700 is at the lower end of the cost scale, and €3k here is at the high end. The majority are close to the median of those two prices.

I honestly do not have an issue with people travelling abroad and do not engage with the view that the treatment is any worse than here. I do have an issue with some work I see due to the haste which with it was done, aftercare arrangements which inevitably mean you need to return to the country and the lack of co-operation when things go wrong. But like everything, everywhere, they are in the minority.

I just had a look at pricing for routine treatments in around 10 Clinics in Newry/Belfast/Enniskillen and I really don’t see the huge price difference you are posting about, quite a few are actually more expensive than my own Clinic, but I do concede that prices in Dublin are higher than in most places outside for obvious operational cost reasons.

I agree with most of what you have said above.

I find implants are similar priced in North and South. Other treatments, however, are cheaper in the North. I can attest to this fact having had MAJOR reconstruction work done.

One treatment in particular was over twice the price in the South compared to the North, for the same (and I mean exactly the same) straightening procedure. The other thing in the North is the time adherence. I book a time arrive at that time and I am seen at that time. Any appointment in the South, I have always been left waiting (now I know that is dependent on the practice).

With regards to the foreign aspect of things, yes things can go wrong and do for some, it all depends on the dental practice and I have received nothing but superb service an after care from my dentist abroad, even going so far as to communicate with my US dentist to ask about latest check up.

I can only say, all the dentists I have worked with have been professional (this from someone who was terrified before I started this journey /route) and caring. I can honestly say, they have become personal friends at this stage.

NSAman

NSAman wrote: »

I agree with most of what you have said above.

I find implants are similar priced in North and South. Other treatments, however, are cheaper in the North. I can attest to this fact having had MAJOR reconstruction work done.

One treatment in particular was over twice the price in the South compared to the North, for the same (and I mean exactly the same) straightening procedure. The other thing in the North is the time adherence. I book a time arrive at that time and I am seen at that time. Any appointment in the South, I have always been left waiting (now I know that is dependent on the practice).

With regards to the foreign aspect of things, yes things can go wrong and do for some, it all depends on the dental practice and I have received nothing but superb service an after care from my dentist abroad, even going so far as to communicate with my US dentist to ask about latest check up.

I can only say, all the dentists I have worked with have been professional (this from someone who was terrified before I started this journey /route) and caring. I can honestly say, they have become personal friends at this stage.

I think for the most part we are on the same page, by straightening I assume you mean orthodontics, treatment I know little about as I do not provide it. I worked for a short period in the North and a close friend is an Orthodontist, I know he provides treatment at a cost less than the local orthodontists where my Clinic is based. But he has told me that his business from people travelling from the south has collapsed primarily due to time/travel pressures and when you take into consideration the 10-20 visits typically required over the course of treatment, the cost diffential usually pales to insignificance.

I have noticed that prices for routine dentistry in the North have increased, the practice where I used to work has exited the NHS and gone fully private meaning the Srate payments have to replaced by private fees, so prices had to increase. I can only assume that the trend is similar in other Clinics as the two closest to the area I live have almost doubled their prices.

Incidentally, the other Clinic in Newry apart from the one the poster visited charges from £1950 for an implant, excluding exam xrays etc, that equates to from €2400.

In relation to waiting times, trust me, this is an equal frustration for dentists and patients , Irish people have a loose appreciation of punctuality, yet still expect to be seen when they arrive 30 mins late. Busy practices will often run late, quiet ones don’t. You cannot put a specific timeframe on all treatments and all patients.

afterglow

i had some work done some years ago, and because I am so scared of needles, my mum, before hand, called the dentist and asked about me being put to sleep.... They offered sedation, who thinks that shenanigans is better than sleep???? So I just had to learn to kind of, be ok with it. The hygienist, lovely as she was, scared me a little, because she was always a bit shy with the ole anesthetic. But my dentist, my god! she was awesome!
I'm siking myself up for a visit when I move back, which is very soon, really hoping I can avoid the hygienist this time, even more hope I can get in with the same dentist as before. I'm hoping, because they know my family, and I'm a whimp, they might, take pity on me, fingers crossed
OP, I just have to give you an analogy here, because frankly, you're not being very sensible here at all.
When you started the post, I thought it would be, because you needed to go to a dentist, not just to say, you dislike all dentists etc etc
When I was 10, due to fluid on both of my eyes, heading towards my brain, I had to have both eyes removed. I wasn't too happy about it at first, but got used to the idea, eventually.
I hate needles, do I hate anaesthetists? No, course not! Why? Because that would be stupid, its not their faults I don't like needles
I wasn't crazy about having my eyes removed, and after that, lots of tissue breakdowns, skin grafts to try fix them, etc, meant many many operations and being put under general anaesthetic for all. I was blessed with an amazing surgen, and didn't dislike him just because i had to keep coming to hospital.
Yes, being at the dentist can be unpleasant sometimes, but you being angry at the dentist population for doing their jobs, would be like me being angry at ocularists because they make prosthetic eyes! Nonsensical and ridiculous
I hope no one who has dental phobia reads this nonsense, because you could do a lot of harm here, making people hesitant to go for what could be necessary treatment, all because you think all dentists are only in dentistry for the money? Which I doubt also, btw! i certainly would not, under any circumstances put my hands in people's mouths for a living, so I would suppose with some certainty, that like all medical professions, they do it because they want to help. ,

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afterglow wrote: »

i had some work done some years ago, and because I am so scared of needles, my mum, before hand, called the dentist and asked about me being put to sleep...

Thats a very mature response and excellent post.