Climate Morons on The Late Late Show

dd973

Didn't have my glasses on and thought it said Clinton Morrison on the late late show

high_king

Annabelle Melted Furnace wrote: »

There is a great book called "Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World — and Why Things Are Better Than You Think"

Excellent book and brings a level of calmness to a lot of the scaremongering in the world today. A book recommended by Bill Gates amongst others.

Yes, we should be more mindful of the environment but let's not lose the run of ourselves.

Climate denier alert

once someone is paying all of their own bills for...

oh, let's say five years, shall we?


that's about when i think they may have some level of mature appreciation for the actualities of whichever society they contribute to.

until then i think it's maybe best to encourage them to try to imagine things from such a perspective (if that's possible) before using the word "should" about the behaviours of other people.

the point frequently made about the greater stake of the young in the future is a poor one. we all got handed a life, we'll each use one, there's 365 days in everybody's year and let's have no tails wagging any dogs on that score.

im sure theyll all get a long enough run for their own younger generations to consider them heathen sellout swine in their turn. the world turns so for us all.

i can only hope they get a generation of kids that are to them what the yuppies were to the hippies. that was classic.

high_king

Deleted User wrote: »

once someone is paying all of their own bills for...

oh, let's say five years, shall we?


that's about when i think they may have some level of mature appreciation for the actualities of whichever society they contribute to.

until then i think it's maybe best to encourage them to try to imagine things from such a perspective (if that's possible) before using the word "should" about the behaviours of other people.

the point frequently made about the greater stake of the young in the future is a poor one. we all got handed a life, we'll each use one, there's 365 days in everybody's year and let's have no tails wagging any dogs on that score.

im sure theyll all get a long enough run for their own younger generations to consider them heathen sellout swine in their turn. the world turns so for us all.

i can only hope they get a generation of kids that are to them what the yuppies were to the hippies. that was classic.

You have to laugh at the young thinking their chosen strategy of ageism against anyone older than them, and blaming everyone above a certain age for everything, is going to work out well for them when they are older . . .Turkey's voting for Christmas comes to mind.

young turks voting for christians, wha

Tony EH

Wibbs wrote: »

+1 D, whatever about temps I have noticed a huge change in insect life in my lifetime.

I remember when I was a kid, I'd see "bumblers" and "red arses" everywhere. But these days, seeing a Bumblebee is an event and I live beside a flippin river.

There's been a serious decline of the humble bumble in this country over the last few decades.

SafeSurfer

Tony EH wrote: »

I remember when I was a kid, I'd see "bumblers" and "red arses" everywhere. But these days, seeing a Bumblebee is an event and I live beside a flippin river.

There's been a serious decline of the humble bumble in this country over the last few decades.

Maybe taxing the suspected causes of the bumble bee’s decline would offer a solution. If it turns out to be ineffective at least it will have raised money for the government to spend on other things.

20Cent

high_king wrote: »

You have to laugh at the young thinking their chosen strategy of ageism against anyone older than them, and blaming everyone above a certain age for everything, is going to work out well for them when they are older . . .Turkey's voting for Christmas comes to mind.

Ok boomer.

threeball

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Maybe taxing the suspected causes of the bumble bee’s decline would offer a solution. If it turns out to be ineffective at least it will have raised money for the government to spend on other things.

Taxing is not the answer. This is a problem mainly generated by big business. They are chopping down and burning rainforest at a rate that if everyone quit their job and started fitting solar panels and wind turbines we couldnt keep up with it.

Just 100 companies are responsible for most of the world's CO2. Countries building coal power stations while others decommission theirs. These are the things that need to be tackled. Unfortunately they won't as the elite can escape the worst of climate change in the main while the poor fcuker living in squaller on the coast of Bangladesh is double fcuked. There's no willingness on a global level to actually tackle this so I'm afraid 100% tax in Ireland won't solve the problem. We're on a downward slope and there's no brake pedal.

threeball

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Maybe taxing the suspected causes of the bumble bee’s decline would offer a solution. If it turns out to be ineffective at least it will have raised money for the government to spend on other things.

And by the way, giving additional money to this government won't see it spent on climate change. They have been beyond useless. They can't even spend European funds that were given to them for projects in the domestic and commercial sector. They have however managed to grant exploration rights for oil and gas and also mining rights in connemara national park. You couldnt make this sh1t up.

Wibbs

On the kids on the LLS panel; that programme has a long history of finding and putting on stage "young people" guaranteed to get attention and (over)reaction to keep the show relevant. Usually middle class eccentric types, often related to staff, speaking on a current subject in a precocious fashion. Seems to have worked again.

kildare lad

The government can ****e on about climate change , carbon tax etc... But when it comes to truly looking after the environment they're nowhere to be found . Sure didn't Dublin council dump a load of topsoil all over a nature reserve in tallaght last week. Waterways Ireland are non stop up and down the canals cutting weed , reeds and banks , now they want to put cycle lanes all along the canals . Did you see the damage they done on the barrow during the summer, every tree and Hegde cut down along some stretchs because they may might scratch someone's boat. A tree fell into the my local canal during the summer , WI came out and cut down every tree and Bush along the stretch for a kilometre, Politicians act all environmental when the cameras are there but when it comes to doing anything they're nowhere to be found.

old_aussie

Motivator wrote: »

Are these people actually serious with this climate carry on? Why do they all look and sound the same? Specky twats with terrible names and even worse fake accents.

When will this end?

When Australia stops burning and gets hail as big as cricket balls in one day!

And when Venice stops flooding.

John_Rambo

high_king wrote: »

It was one of the first posts to pop up, I'm sure there's plenty more examples. You're the typical pontificating eco hypocrit that thought he'd come on here to virtual signal and boast about his environmental credentials, but instead got caught in full view with his pants down.

All I did was commend RTE on their coverage of the climate crisis.

Gael23

There’s only so long we keep defecating straight into rivers, throwing our rubbish into a hole in the ground and belching tonnes of toxic gas into the atmosphere

abff

John_Rambo wrote: »

All I did was commend RTE on their coverage of the climate crisis.

I'm sorry, but you are guilty of trying to be reasonable. I made the same mistake, thinking that this thread was an attempt to get a serious discussion going on the topic.

I should have known better. I think the use of the word "morons" in the thread title says it all.

Gaoth Laidir

Gael23 wrote: »

There’s only so long we keep defecating straight into rivers, throwing our rubbish into a hole in the ground and belching tonnes of toxic gas into the atmosphere

Tonnes of toxic gases? Which ones are toxic? SO2 is the only gas with a toxic classification.

Tony EH

Wibbs wrote: »

On the kids on the LLS panel; that programme has a long history of finding and putting on stage "young people" guaranteed to get attention and (over)reaction to keep the show relevant. Usually middle class eccentric types, often related to staff, speaking on a current subject in a precocious fashion. Seems to have worked again.

:pac:

I remember a similar reaction when they had a load of goth kids on in the 80's. Supposedly grown adults getting upset by kids.

Jesus, can you imagine what Boards would have been like if the web had existed back then.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

:pac:

I remember a similar reaction when they had a load of goth kids on in the 80's.

Well, look how that turned out..

Wibbs

Tony EH wrote: »

:pac:

I remember a similar reaction when they had a load of goth kids on in the 80's. Supposedly grown adults getting upset by kids.

Jonathan Philbin Bowman was another one. He was the topic of convo for the pearl clutchers for a time.

is_that_so

Tony EH wrote: »

:pac:

I remember a similar reaction when they had a load of goth kids on in the 80's. Supposedly grown adults getting upset by kids.

Jesus, can you imagine what Boards would have been like if the web had existed back then.

It's topical so why wouldn't RTE have them on. The kids are just doing their thing!

soundman45

John_Rambo wrote: »

All I did was commend RTE on their coverage of the climate crisis.

The same RTE that insists on sending Francis Brennan around the world on a cruise ship, despite these cruise ships emitting huge emissions, also Catherine Fulvio flew over to Boston so some yoke could enjoy her mammies chicken curry, yep RTE really helping save the world with this.

is_that_so

old_aussie wrote: »

When Australia stops burning and gets hail as big as cricket balls in one day!

And when Venice stops flooding.

It will when they build the defences they haven't finished. It's a naturally sinking city and they get floods 4-5 times a year anyway.

Tony EH

kildare lad wrote: »

The government can ****e on about climate change , carbon tax etc... But when it comes to truly looking after the environment they're nowhere to be found . Sure didn't Dublin council dump a load of topsoil all over a nature reserve in tallaght last week. Waterways Ireland are non stop up and down the canals cutting weed , reeds and banks , now they want to put cycle lanes all along the canals . Did you see the damage they done on the barrow during the summer, every tree and Hegde cut down along some stretchs because they may might scratch someone's boat. A tree fell into the my local canal during the summer , WI came out and cut down every tree and Bush along the stretch for a kilometre, Politicians act all environmental when the cameras are there but when it comes to doing anything they're nowhere to be found.

Take EVERYTHING a politician says with a huge pinch of salt. Ditto for their sycophants.

Sure, there are those out there that will jump on bandwagons and pay lip service to almost any cause and those that use a cause for their own political ends. On the flipside you also have the idiots that just want to stick fingers in their ears, say there's nothing wrong, and call people names.

None of these people are worth listening to on any issue.

However, when you have people who have seriously studied this problem from a scientific pint of view, it's prudent to, at least, listen to what they are saying. This community is overwhelmingly in the group that is telling people that there is a problem and that human activity is partly responsible, in a number of areas.

The only real debate left is how we tackle those numerous issues we are responsible for.

Tony EH

Wibbs wrote: »

Jonathan Philbin Bowman was another one. He was the topic of convo for the pearl clutchers for a time.

I can't remember too much of what he said TBH. But I do remember him being a kind of privileged, insufferable, snobby, type.

Preferred his old man. RTE getting rid of 'Questions and Answers' was a travesty.

Dual wheels

soundman45 wrote: »

The same RTE that insists on sending Francis Brennan around the world on a cruise ship, despite these cruise ships emitting huge emissions, also Catherine Fulvio flew over to Boston so some yoke could enjoy her mammies chicken curry, yep RTE really helping save the world with this.

Oh the irony of it all... I suppose all
The politicians will be getting banana boats to the US for their annual p1ss up?

pure.conya

Wibbs wrote: »

Jonathan Philbin Bowman was another one. He was the topic of convo for the pearl clutchers for a time.

last time I heard his name was on this rare dublin techno track lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73fKm-uEHtA&t=0

threeball

Gael23 wrote: »

There’s only so long we keep defecating straight into rivers, throwing our rubbish into a hole in the ground and belching tonnes of toxic gas into the atmosphere

I agree but again this has to be government led. They are just not interested. They do need us to give them a push but even getting a tanking off the greens in the local elections didn't make them sit up. At the end of the day people will always care more about their economic situation than looking at whether their kids have a future. With the way the country is run its hard to blame them.

One example that really pishes me off is recycling. Most of us take time to seperate our rubbish, was the plastics etc and put in the proper bins. Then along comes the truck and the whole lot gets fcuked into the same hopper and they move to the next house. I sat on a street in my town early on morning watching a bin truck in front of me empty a black bin and a blue bin into the truck, then a double bin (commercial), then another black and blue but with the bins opposite sides to the last set that were tipped. Its an absolute farce.

I 100% believe in climate change and believe we all have a role to play but unless we have leadership from the top other than taxing people then we may as well throw our hat at it.

is_that_so

threeball wrote: »

I agree but again this has to be government led. They are just not interested. They do need us to give them a push but even getting a tanking off the greens in the local elections didn't make them sit up. At the end of the day people will always care more about their economic situation than looking at whether their kids have a future. With the way the country is run its hard to blame them.

One example that really pishes me off is recycling. Most of us take time to seperate our rubbish, was the plastics etc and put in the proper bins. Then along comes the truck and the whole lot gets fcuked into the same hopper and they move to the next house. I sat on a street in my town early on morning watching a bin truck in front of me empty a black bin and a blue bin into the truck, then a double bin (commercial), then another black and blue but with the bins opposite sides to the last set that were tipped. Its an absolute farce.

I 100% believe in climate change and believe we all have a role to play but unless we have leadership from the top other than taxing people then we may as well throw our hat at it.

They are not doing nothing but believing they are is a way to be an ersatz climate activist.

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/climate-action/topics/climate-action-plan/Pages/climate-action.aspx

threeball

is_that_so wrote: »

They are not doing nothing but believing they are is a way to be an ersatz climate activist.

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/climate-action/topics/climate-action-plan/Pages/climate-action.aspx

That plan is the biggest load of sh1te ever put on paper. 900,000 electric cars by 2030 when we have less than 5000 now and an infrastructure that can't even support that much. Thats before you get into the other ****e.

SEAI are a complete joke as per most quangos in this state. Hundreds of people in well paid jobs doing the some total of nothing bar writing crap reports like the above. They do little or nothing to reduce carbon emissions in any year. In fact they are more of an impedient to change with their inability to run a grant scheme that they actually hinder change. I'd get rid of them in the morning and implement a few proper rules that would see drastic change without any implications for Joe and Mary Soap. That money could be spent on actual change rather than a load of spoofers talking about it.

Just because they have a link on their website doesn't mean it actually happening. Paper never refused ink.

celticWario

I mean, yes we will have to pay Carbon taxes to finance vague "green initiatives", that will be headed by friends of TD's etc. while our health, education, justice and infrastructure creaks, and yes, we will be pressured into eating bugs because meat is bad for the environment, and yes, we will be encouraged to live in cramped, company owned workhou.... I mean, co-living accommodations, and yes, travel may be be restricted in the future to cut back on emissions from air and sea travel, but it's all for a good cause because if we can offset China and India's emissions and waste production by even a fraction of a percent, it's a small price to pay I think.

Wibbs

Tony EH wrote: »

I can't remember too much of what he said TBH. But I do remember him being a kind of privileged, insufferable, snobby, type.

I knew him briefly through mutual friends T and face to face he was actually a very nice kinda guy.

is_that_so

threeball wrote: »

That plan is the biggest load of sh1te ever put on paper. 900,000 electric cars by 2030 when we have less than 5000 now and an infrastructure that can't even support that much. Thats before you get into the other ****e.

SEAI are a complete joke as per most quangos in this state. Hundreds of people in well paid jobs doing the some total of nothing bar writing crap reports like the above. They do little or nothing to reduce carbon emissions in any year. In fact they are more of an impedient to change with their inability to run a grant scheme that they actually hinder change. I'd get rid of them in the morning and implement a few proper rules that would see drastic change without any implications for Joe and Mary Soap. That money could be spent on actual change rather than a load of spoofers talking about it.

Just because they have a link on their website doesn't mean it actually happening. Paper never refused ink.

As I said it's far from perfect but it does exist so saying they are doing nothing is untrue. They are just not doing things you agree with. It has timelines, will be subject to review and one would assume can be modified. That's a whole lot better than the unstructured demands that others favour.

BarryD2

Tony EH wrote: »

However, when you have people who have seriously studied this problem from a scientific pint of view, it's prudent to, at least, listen to what they are saying. This community is overwhelmingly in the group that is telling people that there is a problem and that human activity is partly responsible, in a number of areas.

Yes we should listen to what scientists & researchers say. We should also bear in mind that the same people rely on funding. Institutions are constantly seeking sources of funding, research grants etc. Climate change is one of the sexy topics of the moment and attracts such funding. It’s a profitable train to be on, so whilst we should listen, we should always be wary of group think in this scenario.

threeball

is_that_so wrote: »

As I said it's far from perfect but it does exist so saying they are doing nothing is untrue. They are just not doing things you agree with. It has timelines, will be subject to review and one would assume can be modified. That's a whole lot better than the unstructured demands that others favour.

They are doing nothing. They can't even run the schemes they have. Deep retrofit ran out of money in about May or June with €10m missing and very few houses completed. They have another scheme for businesses, not a single scheme approved in the entire year when there should have been 30 or 40. European money too, not our taxes.

Having a plan is all well and good but implementing it is another thing entirely especially a completely unrealistic plan. I could have a plan to be a millionaire by next friday. Barring a Lotto win its not even a small percentage of 1% chance of happening. I still have a better chance than the government have of delivering even 1/10th of that report. It won't matter though as they won't be in office in a couple of years and will blame the next lads for not implementing it. Thats irish politics.

threeball

BarryD2 wrote: »

Yes we should listen to what scientists & researchers say. We should also bear in mind that the same people rely on funding. Institutions are constantly seeking sources of funding, research grants etc. Climate change is one of the sexy topics of the moment and attracts such funding. It’s a profitable train to be on, so whilst we should listen, we should always be wary of group think in this scenario.

You don't need to be a scientist to see whats happening our weather or the way that animals in various parts of the world are disappearing at an alarming rate because they can't keep up with the changes. Polar bears starving because theres too much meltwater, elephants dying in their hundreds from drought. Rain forests that haven't see rain in 7yrs. Anyone denying it is a fool. The way they are tackling it is a farce.

is_that_so

threeball wrote: »

They are doing nothing. They can't even run the schemes they have. Deep retrofit ran out of money in about May or June with €10m missing and very few houses completed. They have another scheme for businesses, not a single scheme approved in the entire year when there should have been 30 or 40. European money too, not our taxes.

Having a plan is all well and good but implementing it is another thing entirely especially a completely unrealistic plan. I could have a plan to be a millionaire by next friday. Barring a Lotto win its not even a small percentage of 1% chance of happening. I still have a better chance than the government have of delivering even 1/10th of that report. It won't matter though as they won't be in office in a couple of years and will blame the next lads for not implementing it. Thats irish politics.

And herein lies the problem. Apart from demanding governments do something and then picking at what they might be doing you're utterly convinced you're right but we can't say whether it's unrealistic based on your opinion. Maybe you are but until you have a similar structured plan it's all just pie in the sky off the top of the head stuff we've had lots of down the years.

threeball

is_that_so wrote: »

And herein lies the problem. Apart from demanding governments do something and then picking at what they might be doing you're utterly convinced you're right but we can't say whether it's unrealistic based on your opinion. Maybe you are but until you have a similar structured plan it's all just pie in the sky off the top of the head stuff we've had lots of down the years.

How can you say you are going to implement X,Y and Z over 10yrs, a very short window, and let almost an entire year just float by without even trying a leg. They put a report out there and are waiting for an election to see if they'll even bother implementing some of it.
And its not my opinion that its unrealistic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that every single car sold between now and 2030 won't be electric and it needs to be if we are to reach the 900,000 in the report. Its also not my opinion that retrofitting 600,000 heat pumps isn't going to happen as the housing stock isn't suitable nor do we have enough people qualified to fit them in the quantities required. The rest of it is pure poppycock too but perhaps you'd like to tell us what you think will actually get done besides just pretending they have realistic plan.

kowloon

BarryD2 wrote: »

Yes we should listen to what scientists & researchers say. We should also bear in mind that the same people rely on funding. Institutions are constantly seeking sources of funding, research grants etc. Climate change is one of the sexy topics of the moment and attracts such funding. It’s a profitable train to be on, so whilst we should listen, we should always be wary of group think in this scenario.

I know you're not making this claim, but a lot of people seem to grasp on to the idea that it's all made up by scientists to make money. For the massive conspiracy that would be necessary to create fake research and stop anyone breaking ranks and talking about it there just isn't that much financial incentive to do it.
What really stretches it is the same people indulging in the conspiracy theory have no problem believing that major petrochemical concerns and the likes are on the level and not making efforts to suppress the science. We've seen it before with the likes of the tobacco industry. If the conspiracy is churning out junk papers these companies wouldn't be long funding studies proving their falsity.

EmmetSpiceland

Wibbs wrote: »

I knew him briefly through mutual friends T and face to face he was actually a very nice kinda guy.

Maybe he’s confusing Johnathan Philbin Bowman with Gavin Lambe-Murphy, W? He seemed like a right ****.

Just a thought.

Tony EH

Wibbs wrote: »

I knew him briefly through mutual friends T and face to face he was actually a very nice kinda guy.

I'll take your word for it so. One thing I'll say is that face to face, I'd probably get a good conversation out of him at least.

Tony EH

BarryD2 wrote: »

Yes we should listen to what scientists & researchers say. We should also bear in mind that the same people rely on funding. Institutions are constantly seeking sources of funding, research grants etc. Climate change is one of the sexy topics of the moment and attracts such funding. It’s a profitable train to be on, so whilst we should listen, we should always be wary of group think in this scenario.

Yeh, the other crowd are looking for funding too. But, their approach is usually just trying to shoot something down, which makes me automatically cautious about their input into the conversation and who's providing them with money. Too often that type are just acting as shills for corporate interests, who's bottom line is their bottom line.

The thing is, the scientific community have been banging on about this for a long time, long before it became the "sexy topic" of the modern era, so I'm inclined to more well disposed to their bona fides on the matter.

Tony EH

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Maybe he’s confusing Johnathan Philbin Bowman with Gavin Lambe-Murphy, W? He seemed like a right ****.

Just a thought.

No, I remember who Jonathan Philbin Bowman was. But mainly as the son of John Bowman, presenter of 'Today Tonight', 'Questions and Answers', election specials, etc.

Jonybgud

Time to throw a few shovels of clay on the LLS at this stage....

BorneTobyWilde

Is there no way to drain a certain amount of water from the sea, I know if my sink was overflowing I'd drain some out. The North Pole has no land? It's purely ice over water, so how does it increase sea levels?
If I take a glass of water and put in a large ice cube, and then let it melt the level on the glass would not have increased.

SafeSurfer

threeball wrote: »

You don't need to be a scientist to see whats happening our weather or the way that animals in various parts of the world are disappearing at an alarming rate because they can't keep up with the changes. Polar bears starving because theres too much meltwater, elephants dying in their hundreds from drought. Rain forests that haven't see rain in 7yrs. Anyone denying it is a fool. The way they are tackling it is a farce.

Polar bear numbers are increasing. Animal numbers are decreasing due to humans destroying their habitat rather than climate change.

freshpopcorn

I sort of believed that nearly all people under 21 were likeable this. However I started a job earlier this year and youd met the odd young person.(I'm late twenties by the way).
None of them really seems to care any more about the environment from when I was at school.
However if you told them say the correct thing and you'd get days off school, visits to the Dail, be on the Late Late Show, etc they'd all read off the same hymn sheet.
When I was at school over a decade ago. We'd have done similar.

YFlyer

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Maybe he’s confusing Johnathan Philbin Bowman with Gavin Lambe-Murphy, W? He seemed like a right ****.

Just a thought.

Hahaha. Himself and that Miss Ireland wan from around 1990 are some tossers.

kowloon

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Is there no way to drain a certain amount of water from the sea, I know if my sink was overflowing I'd drain some out. The North Pole has no land? It's purely ice over water, so how does it increase sea levels?
If I take a glass of water and put in a large ice cube, and then let it melt the level on the glass would not have increased.

Plenty of ice in permafrost and sitting on top of land elsewhere. But yes, displacement is a thing.

threeball

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Polar bear numbers are increasing. Animal numbers are decreasing due to humans destroying their habitat rather than climate change.

https://www.earthday.org/2019/02/07/how-climate-change-is-threatening-our-species/