Trump/Russia Collusion Insanity

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

So it seems this "Russian collusion" you tout involved a UK publicist and a Russian private lobbying lawyer who had no ties to the Russian government at the time, who had no information but lied to get a meeting.

That's your proof of Russian collusion?

I'm refusing to engage with you any further. It's all one way traffic, how you expect anybody to enter into an honest debate when you are deflecting and refusing to do what you expect others to do in return. It is intellectual dishonesty, to put it politely.

For the record, the meeting in Trump Tower in Moscow was brokered by this publicist. It is he who told Jr that the Russians wanted to meet and hand over the dirt on HRC. The 'private lobbying lawyer' is someone who is connected to the Kremlin, according to the NYTimes (yet denies it) Goldstone himself called her the Russian attorney general.

You seem to be nitpicking at the semantics, so here's a quote from Mueller report itself:

The investigation "identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign."

Anyway, unless you're willing to answer any questions, good luck.

Overheal

paleoperson wrote: »

See this is the absolute lunacy of the left - the idea that Russian people working under Putin are going to come to Ireland's website boards.ie and then type in perfect, colloquial english messages in favour of Russia, it's just so utterly insane. I could think this person is trolling but look at the amount of posts they have.

“ The agency has employed fake accounts registered on major social networking sites,[2] discussion boards, online newspaper sites, and video hosting services to promote the Kremlin's interests in domestic and foreign policy including Ukraine and the Middle East as well as attempting to influence the 2016 United States presidential election. More than 1,000 employees reportedly worked in a single building of the agency in 2015.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

Now ok, with the right there are some conspiracy theorists as well - but the difference is that is a tiny minority of people on the right and alt right that have these theories, like anti-vaccine, anti-evolution, Sandy Hook, whatever. That is an incredibly tiny percentage. With the left, these utterly foaming-at-the-mouth delirious theories are pushed by the mainstream leftists. They're practically pushed by CNN.

At the moment alt right outlets aren’t pushing John Solomon conspiracy theories as fact? In the past Fox had on hosts that used chalkboards, string, and other gags to theorize that Obama wasn’t an American but a Muslim Socialist Fascist Nazi. Thanks in part to these types of media abuses a man shot up a Pizzeria without a basement, and a terrorist sent threatening if not intended to be lethal packages to various “mainstream” news offices, journalists, and left wing politicians and public figures.

That is a big reason of why the left has become far more ridiculous and far more anti-intellectual than the right.

That’s patently absurd.

paleoperson

Overheal wrote: »

“ The agency has employed fake accounts registered on major social networking sites,[2] discussion boards, online newspaper sites, and video hosting services to promote the Kremlin's interests in domestic and foreign policy including Ukraine and the Middle East as well as attempting to influence the 2016 United States presidential election. More than 1,000 employees reportedly worked in a single building of the agency in 2015.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

Even if true 1,000 employees can only do so much. I can confidently say not one has ever showed up on boards.ie

Many of the "sophisticated algorithms" used to detect Russian trolls are nothing but algorithms that detect right-wing views. You can see the problem this creates right? To the MSM and some of these laughably low quality academic papers, all people with ring-wing views can be dismissed as "Russian trolls".

Many of the people that have been identified as "Russian trolls" turned out not to be at all. For example:

https://twitter.com/haloefekti/status/987571160983457792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E987571160983457792

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/987337546790199301

Some are even trying to say Thunberg is a Russian troll:

https://www.rt.com/news/471000-greta-thunberg-russia-influence-afd/

(admittedly that's a right wing group but still).

Overheal wrote: »

At the moment alt right outlets aren’t pushing John Solomon conspiracy theories as fact? In the past Fox had on hosts that used chalkboards, string, and other gags to theorize that Obama wasn’t an American but a Muslim Socialist Fascist Nazi. Thanks in part to these types of media abuses a man shot up a Pizzeria without a basement, and a terrorist sent threatening if not intended to be lethal packages to various “mainstream” news offices, journalists, and left wing politicians and public figures.

That’s patently absurd.

Still not as bad as the "The Russians hacked the election!" theories, which aren't on some alt/extreme left channel but out in the open as part of the main democrat message. Hillary for example - first Jill Stein was a Russian asset, now it's Tulsi Gabbard. It's beyond ridiculous.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/24/hillary-clinton-called-me-a-russian-asset-the-establishment-is-losing-their-grip

Everyone running against her or who she wants to win is now a Russian asset? Who would believe that for ****'s sake?

Her own handlers came in and tried to quieten her on that because nobody is going to fall for it if she's just saying everyone who's not her preferred choice is a Russian asset.

Overheal

paleoperson wrote: »

Even if true 1,000 employees can only do so much. I can confidently say not one has ever showed up on boards.ie

Many of the "sophisticated algorithms" used to detect Russian trolls are nothing ones that also detect right-wing views. You can see the problem this creates right? To the MSM and some of these laughably low quality academic papers, all people with ring-wing views can be dismissed as "Russian trolls".

Many of the people that have been identified as "Russian trolls" turned out not to be at all. For example:

https://twitter.com/haloefekti/status/987571160983457792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E987571160983457792

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/987337546790199301

Some are even trying to say Thunberg is a Russian troll:

https://www.rt.com/news/471000-greta-thunberg-russia-influence-afd/

(admittedly that's a right wing group but still).

Beasty/The Admins and the Staff could confirm we've had trolls from Russia (and China) before, aplenty. To the best of my knowledge, we've had more than a couple. Boards ranks up there highly as one of the most trafficked message boards in the West, we got xkcd famous you know, and the site normally pops up in the top lists for internet site traffic. It's certainly among the most trafficked sites in English-speaking Europe.

Still not as bad as the "The Russians hacked the election!" theories, which aren't on some alt/extreme left channel but out in the open as part of the main democrat message. Hillary for example - first Jill Stein was a Russian asset, now it's Tulsi Gabbard. It's beyond ridiculous.

[URL="Hillary Clinton called me a 'Russian asset'. The establishment is losing its grip
Jill Stein"]Hillary Clinton called me a 'Russian asset'. The establishment is losing its grip
Jill Stein[/URL]

Everyone running against her or who she wants to win is now a Russian asset? Who would believe that for ****'s sake?

Her own handlers came in and tried to quieten her on that because nobody is going to fall for it if she's just saying everyone who's not her preferred choice is a Russian asset.

Not sure who has peddled this but my understanding is they did not attempt this. Others may conflate interference in the election political cycle with hacking the vote; I do not. However, this should not detract from election security. Our voting machines are so vulnerable to attack it defies belief. Not to mention voter suppression issues; and this should scream horse**** to even the most ardent partisan: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/10/26/computer-files-heart-georgia-election-security-case-deleted-day-after-suit-filed/803579001/

NSAman

I can honestly say, listening to all this BS since before 2016 that I am sick and tired of it.

While day to day things which need attention go to pot (yes that is being legalised also) we have this three ringed circus of democrats V's republicans playing out in public.

Schiff is a lizardman ringleader... The President of the USA (who I personally feel is an idiot) circumvents everything by tweeting his views (which is a great way to avoid the newspapers and the media)

Pelosi sounds like your grand mother who is taking ecstacy.

All the time this BS is playing out, the Average American is paying their taxes so this compete charade is paid for.

All the time this BS is playing out, some Americans are killing each other and fighting over Chicken Sandwiches.

America was once the greatest country in the world. Nowadays it seems to be heading for a civil war created by those that want the status quo to remain.

Sad days indeed.

Overheal

NSAman wrote: »

I can honestly say, listening to all this BS since before 2016 that I am sick and tired of it.

While day to day things which need attention go to pot (yes that is being legalised also) we have this three ringed circus of democrats V's republicans playing out in public.

Schiff is a lizardman ringleader... The President of the USA (who I personally feel is an idiot) circumvents everything by tweeting his views (which is a great way to avoid the newspapers and the media)

Pelosi sounds like your grand mother who is taking ecstacy.

All the time this BS is playing out, the Average American is paying their taxes so this compete charade is paid for.

All the time this BS is playing out, some Americans are killing each other and fighting over Chicken Sandwiches.

America was once the greatest country in the world. Nowadays it seems to be heading for a civil war created by those that want the status quo to remain.

Sad days indeed.

People in the social media bubble I think really think all that; that Pelosi is drugged or whatever, Trump is you know, Trump, at the least untrustworthy if not utterly conniving, and there is indeed an air about a civil war - but I think that's rhetoric. I think that, because offline IRL nobody is talking about this like that, none of the apolitical media is either, I don't think anything bar some outrage and demonstrations will happen. Worst something is there might be a politically-motivated shooting. But, thankfully, several such people have already been intercepted by the FBI; these people pushing a civil war are on the radar, and not without good reason for being under that watch.

However today I did break from the norm and discuss politics - specifically the impeachment hearings, with a professor; this is one of the few times I think people might break norm to talk about such things. Nobody I know is plotting for the south to rise again, if you get me. Nobody cares, they watch The Mandalorian and root for Clemson football. If the president is going to be impeached/removed it will not be in some utterly bogus way, and I don't even think Republicans will try to acquit or dismiss the trial in some bogus way if they thought it might credibly lead to a civil war. These people are all partisan idiots but none of them are ready to give Russia an excuse to lead the UN security council rolling up in here to "keep the peace"

paleoperson

Overheal wrote: »

Beasty/The Admins and the Staff could confirm we've had trolls from Russia (and China) before, aplenty.

I call bull****. Give details of any sort of political "trolls" we've had from those countries here. What possible motives could they have? It doesn't add up.

Overheal wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge, we've had more than a couple. Boards ranks up there highly as one of the most trafficked message boards in the West, we got xkcd famous you know, and the site normally pops up in the top lists for internet site traffic. It's certainly among the most trafficked sites in English-speaking Europe.

Again, bull. Alexa ranks the site as #10,264.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/boards.ie

Digital spy forums ranks #3,321. thestudentroom.co.uk ranks #6,277

Even if it were true, website traffic accounts for a tiny percentage of overall internet posting these days.

What's more, what you have to compare is the size of the politics/current affairs board here, they aren't going into the cycling forums to spread political messages there. boards.ie doesn't even have the biggest of those boards in Ireland.

Overheal

You don't have to believe it but I'm telling you what I know. Perhaps Beasty/an admin can chime in.

NSAman

Overheal wrote: »

People in the social media bubble I think really think all that; that Pelosi is drugged or whatever, Trump is you know, Trump, at the least untrustworthy if not utterly conniving, and there is indeed an air about a civil war - but I think that's rhetoric. I think that, because offline IRL nobody is talking about this like that, none of the apolitical media is either, I don't think anything bar some outrage and demonstrations will happen. Worst something is there might be a politically-motivated shooting. But, thankfully, several such people have already been intercepted by the FBI; these people pushing a civil war are on the radar, and not without good reason for being under that watch.

Unfortunately, I am not in Ireland but in the USA. Hearing what is being said offline, makes me worry about this country.

I hope for this country's sake it is just demonstrations, sadly I think it could be far worse, depending on how far the dems go.

Don't forget practically every house in the US has arms, that in itself is worrying for me.

Overheal

NSAman wrote: »

Unfortunately, I am not in Ireland but in the USA. Hearing what is being said offline, makes me worry about this country.

I hope for this country's sake it is just demonstrations, sadly I think it could be far worse, depending on how far the dems go.

Don't forget practically every house in the US has arms, that in itself is worrying for me.

I'm also in the US, but nobody no gaggles of worrisome gossipers in Clemson are worried about a civil war.

wildeside

paleoperson wrote: »

I call bull****. Give details of any sort of political "trolls" we've had from those countries here. What possible motives could they have? It doesn't add up.



Again, bull. Alexa ranks the site as #10,264.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/boards.ie

Digital spy forums ranks #3,321. thestudentroom.co.uk ranks #6,277

Even if it were true, website traffic accounts for a tiny percentage of overall internet posting these days.

What's more, what you have to compare is the size of the politics/current affairs board here, they aren't going into the cycling forums to spread political messages there. boards.ie doesn't even have the biggest of those boards in Ireland.

Ah here now, I can assure you I'm not a Russian bot. Sure don't I speak the auld cupla focal, born and reared in this lovely little craggy island, Ireland. But I left it, for quite a few years (not so much as looking for Russia in the travel section of any book shop never mind visit or live there) and returned recently to this fair green isle I call home.

I don't know how I prove I'm not a Russian bot/troll? I could go on about growing up in Ireland in the 80's/90's. Like how The Den was the best children's program on TV bar none. Zig and Zag's alter-ego's Podge and Rodge were pure genius and Socky was a dope but hilarious. Yer one off Where in the World was a bit of a ride, Glenroe theme tune always reminded me I had to do me bloody homework (Republic Of Telly did a small skit on this), Knight Rider was the coolest program on TV with The A-Team not far behind. I met Mike Murphy once and nearly died because he was on the telly doing his Mail Bag program when people used to write letters to him (imagine!). Sherbet dip was the 'craic' cocaine of my generation and many a powered nose could be spotted in school. Being allowed up late to watch Gaybo on The Late Late was a treat but you had to hide behind pillows or block you ears sometimes if he did something controversial like pull out a johnnie. You remembered your friends phone numbers and you could make crank calls to random numbers with your mates without worrying about he guards kicking down your front door. Computer games took 10 mins to load from a tape deck and multiplayer meant three or four or your mates sitting beside you watching you play waiting for their turn. Dave Fanning was the edgy guy on the radio blaring out everything from the electronic and anarchic Prodigy to home grown talent like Whipping Boy, The Cranberries and The Frames to name but a few.

And there was no internet. Not sure that was such a bad thing.

Anyway, I'll leave it there ... comrades

Beasty

Overheal wrote: »

You don't have to believe it but I'm telling you what I know. Perhaps Beasty/an admin can chime in.

Sorry to disappoint Overheal, but in my personal experience (and certainly not speaking for anyone else such as other Admins, Office Staff or the development team), I have never seen any evidence of trolls from those jurisdictions. One or two of our regulars may use VPNs or e-mail providers from those countries, but I have little doubt they are not posting from there

We have though seen plenty of spammers from those markets (and others)

Beasty

... and having just said that I have just banned an account from Eastern Europe (not Russia) that was a poor attempt at propaganda against another (eastern Europe) State, but that could be seen from a mile off when reading the post, and it was certainly not "trolling", and if it was a bot it was a very poorly set up one

mcmoustache

There's a distinction to be made between bots, trolls, state sponsored social media manipulation campaigns, shills and regular people.

We're all aware of the people here who post constantly in favour of a country or a political party. It's common enough with shinners and I've seen some die-hard fine gaelers come and go. They might be working for those parties or they might just be members but their posts make it obvious that they're just spouting the party line.

There's also the handful of people who pop up in threads about Crimea, MH17 or the Skrypal poisoning who repeat the many "alternative" narratives that you get on RT or Sputnik. I would say that none of these are working for the state but instead are "informed" by Russian propaganda, often simply because they are ethnically Russian themselves. The skrypal thread is a good example of this where most of the inconsistent "theories" from Russian state media made an appearance, sometimes laundered through Craig Murray or other dodgy bloggers but the people posting were just people living here who get their "news" from Russia. These are just people, like the shinners and fine gaelers. Not necessarily shills.

Bots are another thing entirely. Anyone can hire these to boost follower counts or to boost exposure and this is commonly done by celebrities and political parties and even governments. These are typically automated but you need human intervention (shills) along the way too for things like coming up with a script or a narrative or creating slightly more realistic profile or for arguing online. The accounts are often created around the same time and share a common theme. These accounts amplify each other with retweets and likes among themselves and and in modern parlance are described as a network or more colloquially as a "botnet". The term predates twitter and I'd prefer a different word but here we are.


With the IRA, the one mentioned in the Mueller report, he was describing a state controlled botnet which was comprised of bot networks pretending to be yanks promoting russian propaganda and conspiracy theories. This was directed at American voters as well as at the presidential candidate himself. The beauty of it was that this was amplified by the victims themselves (see ten_gop for example). It was relatively cheap to do given the massive reach that it had. They could basically promote some made up story on twitter and then have human victims take over. In other words, ten_gop to people like ian56789 to ian's followers and so on.

tl;dr these automated, coordinated campaigns exist and we know they exist and they have an effect. Denying that at this stage is silly.

Overheal

Beasty wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint Overheal, but in my personal experience (and certainly not speaking for anyone else such as other Admins, Office Staff or the development team), I have never seen any evidence of trolls from those jurisdictions. One or two of our regulars may use VPNs or e-mail providers from those countries, but I have little doubt they are not posting from there

We have though seen plenty of spammers from those markets (and others)

Must have been spammers im thinking of and my recollection was wrong.

wildeside

The madness continues. Did Russia really hack the DNC servers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBLXZHTljTM

mcmoustache

Let me guess. This is going to be a well known bullsh!tter. I'm betting Craig Murray, Russia Today, Infowars, Jimmy Dore, Sean Hannity or that guy who stopped being crazy for a bit and then went crazy again. His name escapes me.

Please say it's Craig Murray though and I'll explain how often he's full of sh!t. If not, could you please provide a gist of the theory because nobody wants to click on some long video just because you aren't capable of articulating a coherent point by yourself.

ohnonotgmail

mcmoustache wrote: »

Let me guess. This is going to be a well known bullsh!tter. I'm betting Craig Murray, Russia Today, Infowars, Jimmy Dore, Sean Hannity or that guy who stopped being crazy for a bit and then went crazy again. His name escapes me.

Please say it's Craig Murray though and I'll explain how often he's full of sh!t. If not, could you please provide a gist of the theory because nobody wants to click on some long video just because you aren't capable of articulating a coherent point by yourself.

DING DING DING we have a winner

Saganist

paleoperson wrote: »

So ****ing what? That doesn't contradict my statement at all. No collusion could be found. No collusion could be proven.

There are items containing possible evidence that you committed armed robbery at some point that I can't access. That doesn't mean someone can say you committed armed robbery does it?

OJ is innocent.

wildeside

mcmoustache wrote: »

Let me guess. This is going to be a well known bullsh!tter. I'm betting Craig Murray, Russia Today, Infowars, Jimmy Dore, Sean Hannity or that guy who stopped being crazy for a bit and then went crazy again. His name escapes me.

Please say it's Craig Murray though and I'll explain how often he's full of sh!t. If not, could you please provide a gist of the theory because nobody wants to click on some long video just because you aren't capable of articulating a coherent point by yourself.

The Dems hired Crowdstrike (private company) to investigate if Russia hacked their servers. Wonder what CrowdStrike would find? Dems did not allow FBI to investigate (S.O.P). I wonder why?

In some people's minds I'm sure that doesn't warrant questioning.

And I guess neither does the fact that Robert Mueller was at the heart of Iraqi WMD claims so he's obviously a stand up guy!

Overheal

wildeside wrote: »

The Dems hired Crowdstrike (private company) to investigate if Russia hacked their servers. Wonder what CrowdStrike would find? Dems did not allow FBI to investigate (S.O.P). I wonder why?

In some people's minds I'm sure that doesn't warrant questioning.

And I guess neither does the fact that Robert Mueller was at the heart of Iraqi WMD claims so he's obviously a stand up guy!

The FBI was in fact given forensic data which led the Grand Jury to indict 12 Russians.

Fun fact: Republicans have hired Crowdstrike more recently.

wildeside

Overheal wrote: »

The FBI was in fact given forensic data which led the Grand Jury to indict 12 Russians.

Fun fact: Republicans have hired Crowdstrike more recently.

Also, what were the Russians indicted for? That's right, trolling. That's all they got. Trolling does not equal collusion with a foreign govt!

So Republicans are using Crowdstrike. I'm not sure what your point is?

suicide_circus

well the DNC desperately need to impeach him as it looks like they cant stop him at the ballot box.

Overheal

wildeside wrote: »

Also, what were the Russians indicted for? That's right, trolling. That's all they got. Trolling does not equal collusion with a foreign govt!

So Republicans are using Crowdstrike. I'm not sure what your point is?

“The FBI never got the data”

/the FBI got the data

“Uh yeah but Uhm so what”

:rolleyes:

notobtuse

suicide_circus wrote: »

well the DNC desperately need to impeach him as it looks like they cant stop him at the ballot box.

Seems Nancy Pelosi agrees with you. She recently wrote “The weak response to these hearings has been, ‘Let the election decide.’ That dangerous position only adds to the urgency of our action, because the President is jeopardizing the integrity of the 2020 elections.”

So what she’s saying is if Democrats fail to impeach Trump, and remove him from office, the entire 2020 election is illegitimate, before it even happens, because she feels voters are too stupid to agree with the Democrats.

So this impeachment inquiry farce that stated out as Russian Collusion, and has morphed into other things, and currently is Bribery. Apparently their impeachment witch-hunt is now being run by focus groups. So it really IS all about Democrats affecting the 2020 election. The Democrats are worse than the Russians.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

Seems Nancy Pelosi agrees with you. She recently wrote “The weak response to these hearings has been, ‘Let the election decide.’ That dangerous position only adds to the urgency of our action, because the President is jeopardizing the integrity of the 2020 elections.”

So what she’s saying is if Democrats fail to impeach Trump, and remove him from office, the entire 2020 election is illegitimate, before it even happens, because she feels voters are too stupid to agree with the Democrats.

So this impeachment inquiry farce that stated out as Russian Collusion, and has morphed into other things, currently is Bribery. Apparently their impeachment witch-hunt is now being run by focus groups. So it really IS all about Democrats affecting the 2020 election. The Democrats are worse than the Russians.

thats a lie.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Seems Nancy Pelosi agrees with you. She recently wrote “The weak response to these hearings has been, ‘Let the election decide.’ That dangerous position only adds to the urgency of our action, because the President is jeopardizing the integrity of the 2020 elections.”

So what she’s saying is if Democrats fail to impeach Trump, and remove him from office, the entire 2020 election is illegitimate, before it even happens, because she feels voters are too stupid to agree with the Democrats.

I firmly understand the Democrats concern to mean that the elections are in jeopardy if this impeachment process is not resolved. There is a legitimate concern Republicans will "Biden Rule" the Impeachment, dismiss the trial on those grounds, and ask voters to decide whether the President engaged in a pattern of impeachable conduct, while that President enjoys the unfettered use of the power of the office through January 2021 *even if* voters overwhelmingly unseat the incumbent based on a clear understanding of impeachable conduct.

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

thats a lie.

Wrong. Is it now you who are lying?

Grounds asserted for impeachment have included possible violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution by accepting payments from foreign dignitaries; alleged collusion with Russia during the campaign for the 2016 United States presidential election; alleged obstruction of justice with respect to investigation of the collusion claim; and accusations of "Associating the Presidency with White Nationalism, Neo-Nazism and Hatred", which formed the basis of a resolution for impeachment brought on December 6, 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Wrong. Is it now you who are lying?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump

That doesn't reinforce your position. This inquiry was opened to investigate the alleged shakedown of Volodomir Zelensky. This inquiry was not instigated by the Grand Jury.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

Wrong. Is it now you who are lying?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump

Overheal wrote: »

That doesn't reinforce your position. This inquiry was opened to investigate the alleged shakedown of Volodomir Zelensky. This inquiry was not instigated by the Grand Jury.

what Overheal said.

Overheal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what Overheal said.

Thanks he has me on ignore :pac: that or by pure coincidence he hasn't responded to a single post of mine in about a month...

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what Overheal said.

History of the impeachment witch-hunt didn't suddenly just begin on 31 October 2019 by immaculate conception. The Democrats started their Stalinistic impeachment closed door kangaroo court in a deep dark secret secure chamber of the Capital building months before the “formal” impeachment inquiry was voted on.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

History of the impeachment witch-hunt didn't suddenly just begin on 31 October 2019 by immaculate conception. The Democrats started their Stalinistic impeachment closed door kangaroo court in a deep dark secret secure chamber of the Capital building months before the “formal” impeachment was voted on.

step away from the crystal meth.

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

step away from the crystal meth.

You might want to consider attacking the post and not the poster.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

You might want to consider attacking the post and not the poster.

Ok. the post was absolutely nuts and even trump himself would be embarrassed by it.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

History of the impeachment witch-hunt didn't suddenly just begin on 31 October 2019 by immaculate conception. The Democrats started their Stalinistic impeachment closed door kangaroo court in a deep dark secret secure chamber of the Capital building months before the “formal” impeachment inquiry was voted on.

Even by normal every day pro-Trump standards this is embarrassing and a little cringeworthy.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

History of the impeachment witch-hunt didn't suddenly just begin on 31 October 2019 by immaculate conception. The Democrats started their Stalinistic impeachment closed door kangaroo court in a deep dark secret secure chamber of the Capital building months before the “formal” impeachment inquiry was voted on.

Efforts to impeach Hillary Clinton began before 2016...

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Ok. the post was absolutely nuts and even trump himself would be embarrassed by it.

Better. Wrong, but better.

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Even by normal every day pro-Trump standards this is embarrassing and a little cringeworthy.

Sadly, it true. Democrats know they aren't turning voters opinions and will pay the price for their purely partisan actions at the voting booths.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Sadly, it true. Democrats know they aren't turning voters opinions and will pay the price for their purely partisan actions at the voting booths.

[citation needed]

Billy Mays

notobtuse wrote: »

Better. Wrong, but better.

Agreed

Trump himself wouldn't be embarrassed by it

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

Sadly, it true. Democrats know they aren't turning voters opinions and will pay the price for their purely partisan actions at the voting booths.

They are not looking to "turn" anyone, they are showing the undecided voters what a terrible President Trump is.

Beasty

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

step away from the crystal meth.

notobtuse wrote: »

You might want to consider attacking the post and not the poster.

The pair of you can back off or else I will issue threadbans as a minimum

Any questions PM me

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

They are not looking to "turn" anyone, they are showing the undecided voters what a terrible President Trump is.

So they are showing the undecided voters what a terrible President Trump is by behaving much worse than him and putting on display they simply won't accept the results of the 2016 election? Odd thinking the democrats have, there.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

So they are showing the undecided voters what a terrible President Trump is by behaving much worse than him and putting on display they simply won't accept the results of the 2016 election? Odd thinking the democrats have, there.

Ah c'mon, Not this tired, worn out line! :rolleyes:

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ah c'mon, Not this tired, worn out line! :rolleyes:

It might be tired, but it's true. It's written about in media articles almost daily. The reasons they've given for impeachment wouldn't have gone through so many iterations, otherwise.

I think if Trump came out and said he supported the impeachment process it would force Democrats to oppose their own impeachment inquiry.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

It might be tired, but it's true. It's written about in media articles almost daily. The reasons they've given for impeachment wouldn't have gone through so many iterations, otherwise.

I think if Trump came out and said he supported the impeachment process it would force Democrats to oppose their own impeachment inquiry.

Bet.

wildeside

Overheal wrote: »

“The FBI never got the data”

/the FBI got the data

“Uh yeah but Uhm so what”

:rolleyes:

They did? Or did the FBI rely on what Crowstrike said?

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/fbi-says-democratic-party-wouldnt-let-agents-see-hacked-email-servers/

wildeside

Can someone please tell me who in the Trump administration was actually convicted of collusion with the Russian government in trying to get Trump elected?

And I mean convicted of this specific crime, as in the whole point of the investigation?

Honestly, I may have missed it.

wildeside

This investigation is another giant waste of time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tvE8Zb5fSk

It will come to nothing. Like Russia-gate. It's sad.