Selling house because of Youth problem

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

Which "left wing" government would this be??

all of them since the foundation of the state , you dont have to be cuba 1960 to circa 2012 to be left wing , we have never had anything remotely right wing in terms of goverment policy

AulWan

holliehobbie wrote: »

It's more likely to be Housing Bodies like Cluid buying the houses than Dublin City Council.

All houses on my road were purchased by South Dublin County Council, which is my local authority area. Definitely not housing associations. I can't speak for any other area.

Framed10 wrote: »

Is there a way to find out if there are houses in an estate that have been bought by the council?
Or is it a case of doing your own asking around?
I'm currently considering buying a house in a mature estate in Cork at the moment.
Thanks

Landdirect.ie is supposed to map out what houses are private or council owned, but I don't know how accurate or how often its updated.

Mad_maxx

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

My friend bought his first home in City West back in 2001. It was the height of the Celtic Tiger and people were property crazy.

He lived there a few years with his young family. His neighbours were of a similar background and demographic.

When the crash came, he wanted to move his family to a larger and quieter place, so he relocated to a rural village. He signed a ten-year deal with South Dublin County Council to rent the house out for social housing. Guaranteed rent.

Every once in a while, an appliance breaks in the rented house. When he visits, he is always shocked at the deterioration if the place. Mildew, grubby, above average wear and tear, appliances that just 'broke' without a good explanation. The tenant was almost zero respect for the property.

Looking around the estate, he says it has slumped dramatically. Reckons it will be a problem area within 10 years. He has no interest in living in City West again. But he'd probably have to take a haircut on the selling price!

the councils use those long term lease agreements to house the most feral of scum who are unhousable

i bought a cheap as chips house in limerick city two years ago for 72 k , i entered into a long term lease with limerick council in mid 2018 , i have not had to do anything and receive 850 per month , i requested a house inspection six months ago which was nine months after the council took possession of the property , witnessed the following

carpet ripped off stairs
security alarm ripped off the wall
most of the furniture missing
hand rail pulled out of the wall on the stairs with a sizeable chunk of concrete missing
back yard strewn with rubbish and dog ****
the most godawful garish wallpaper on several rooms
a shrine to the dead boyfriend of the tenant in the kitchen
kitchen appliances covered in filth
carpets in the bedroom unrecognisable due to the thickness of dirt on them

to top it off , the councils farm out management of the properties to homeless industry outfits , lady who showed me around the place told me with delight that the lady ( tenant wasnt there ) who lives there spends much of her time blogging online about decorating houses ( according to the neighbours she spends most nights hosting raves )

Bobblehats

pablo128 wrote: »

I never had a problem off that particular lad again because they were told whatever happened to my home, would happen to their home.

Have you tried speaking their language? I tried; and failed. Badly the best thing you can do is to make sure it’s something everybody understands. The universal language that is GET OFF MY LAWN

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

Because that's how Ballymun/Tallaght of the 90's became so infamous in the first place. Ask anyone in D5 what their impression is of Casino park / Cherrymount and they'll all tell you the same. It was a no-go area up until very recently, even for the hardchaws in Donnycarney. It's taken the guts of 25 years for the toerags to grow up and get a corpo gaff elsewhere with thier own kids for that to have changed.

you dont bring scum to heel by placing them amongst decent tax payers , you focus on policing , crime involves dealing with crime and that means proper policing

liberals are wrong about everything all of the time yet are so arrogant , demand to continue to write policy

mondeo

Tomorrow is Friday and we are dreading it..... We are thinking of staying in a hotel somewhere for the night and then staying at her parents on Saturday night, just to get the fck away from the madness, taking both our cars with us to. If the house gets a broken window or egged or worse, so be it. We can't protect it anymore anyways. We had the estate agents down this afternoon and we are happy with what they told us. We were honest and told them why we want to sell it. They didn't care really and why would they ? The house is going for the market value of every other house in the estate. We need as much as we can for it anyways for our new house.

holliehobbie

Hector Savage wrote: »

Christ so this could literally happen in any neighbourhood in dublin ?
Even if all the houses are privately owned and have heavty mortgages attached ?

It's more likely to be Housing Bodies like Cluid buying the houses than Dublin City Council.

listermint

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the councils use those long term lease agreements to house the most feral of scum who are unhousable

i bought a cheap as chips house in limerick city two years ago for 72 k , i entered into a long term lease with limerick council in mid 2018 , i have not had to do anything and receive 850 per month , i requested a house inspection six months ago which was nine months after the council took possession of the property , witnessed the following

carpet ripped off stairs
security alarm ripped off the wall
most of the furniture missing
hand rail pulled out of the wall on the stairs with a sizeable chunk of concrete missing
back yard strewn with rubbish and dog ****
the most godawful garish wallpaper on several rooms
a shrine to the dead boyfriend of the tenant in the kitchen
kitchen appliances covered in filth
carpets in the bedroom unrecognisable due to the thickness of dirt on them

to top it off , the councils farm out management of the properties to homeless industry outfits , lady who showed me around the place told me with delight that the lady ( tenant wasnt there ) who lives there spends much of her time blogging online about decorating houses ( according to the neighbours she spends most nights hosting raves )

Sounds like a handy investment which you knew full well what you were getting in to.

Did you think you'd get it for 72k otherwise....

holliehobbie

AulWan wrote: »

All houses on my road were purchased by South Dublin County Council, which is my local authority area. Definitely not housing associations. I can't speak for any other area.



Landdirect.ie is supposed to map out what houses are private or council owned, but I don't know how accurate or how often its updated.

Are you sure about that? I recently got ahold of the folio for my own house after paying €40! I know you can see if properties are freehold or leasehold but I don't think you can see the owners unless you pay a fee?

Mad_maxx

listermint wrote: »

Sounds like a handy investment which you knew full well what you were getting in to.

Did you think you'd get it for 72k otherwise....

Never mind my rationale, i didn't say i regretted my punt which yields 12%,I'll sue the council in ten years if the house doesn't come back the way I got it.

the council are the common theme here and the kind of policies they pursue, you could buy a 500 k house in drumcondra, let it to the council long term and they would still stick a scum bucket and her brood in it

Troublemakers are given priority, the council then don't have to listen to some bleeding heart from whatever charity about how Stacey and her seven dwarfs are living in a B+B

AulWan

holliehobbie wrote: »

Are you sure about that? I recently got ahold of the folio for my own house after paying €40! I know you can see if properties are freehold or leasehold but I don't think you can see the owners unless you pay a fee?

About South Dublin County Council? 100% sure.

About landdirect.ie? I read about it on a thread here on Boards, (maybe on Accommodation and Property), but no, not 100% sure.

Deebles McBeebles

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Stacey and her seven dwarfs are living in a B+B

:D:D


On landdirect, its not a free service so I would imagine a fee would be involved.

ThunbergsAreGo

mondeo wrote: »

Tomorrow is Friday and we are dreading it..... We are thinking of staying in a hotel somewhere for the night and then staying at her parents on Saturday night, just to get the fck away from the madness, taking both our cars with us to. If the house gets a broken window or egged or worse, so be it. We can't protect it anymore anyways. We had the estate agents down this afternoon and we are happy with what they told us. We were honest and told them why we want to sell it. They didn't care really and why would they ? The house is going for the market value of every other house in the estate. We need as much as we can for it anyways for our new house.

Awful situation you are in, and a legitmate nightmare for many of us.

I only hope you get it resolved soon, as many have said already life is too short for having to put up with this sh1t

Hotblack Desiato

mondeo wrote: »

Tomorrow is Friday and we are dreading it...

Stick your speakers out the upstairs window and play Barry Manilow as loud as you can.

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

you dont bring scum to heel by placing them amongst decent tax payers , you focus on policing , crime involves dealing with crime and that means proper policing

liberals are wrong about everything all of the time yet are so arrogant , demand to continue to write policy

So anyone in receipt of social housing = scum?

MetzgerMeister

Deleted User wrote: »

So anyone in receipt of social housing = scum?

I would hope that's not what was meant because it certainly isn't true.

Kamili

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So anyone in receipt of social housing = scum?

I literally cannot see anywhere in the post you quoted that says everyone in receipt of social housing us scum.

Deebles McBeebles

Kamili wrote: »

I literally cannot see anywhere in the post you quoted that says everyone in receipt of social housing us scum.

Nor in the thread as a whole. Its an argument frequently used by apologists for the life-long dolers.

To be absolutely clear, the life-long dolers who could but don't bother working because the state has made sure they rarely want for anything. If we all did that, the place would be third world.

topper75

listermint wrote: »

Sounds like a handy investment which you knew full well what you were getting in to.

Did you think you'd get it for 72k otherwise....

Yeah in gross terms - pays for itself in 7 years.
Maybe 14 years after tax.

Not many investment products around like that these days.

Kamili

Kamili wrote: »

I literally cannot see anywhere in the post you quoted that says everyone in receipt of social housing us scum.

The entire thread is about having all social housing recipients together vs mixed with non social housing. The poster said "you don't bring scum to heel by putting them with decent folk", which is where the inference came from.

Kamili

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The entire thread is about having all social housing recipients together vs mixed with non social housing. The poster said "you don't bring scum to heel by putting them with decent folk", which is where the inference came from.

I still don't see anywhere in the post quoted or thread that says everyone in receipt of social housing is scum. You brought the inference in yourself.

Kamili

Kamili wrote: »

I still don't see anywhere in the post quoted or thread that says everyone in receipt of social housing is scum. You brought the inference in yourself.

It's a valid one to make if you follow the thread, hence my question.

Me:putting all social tenants in the one estate has not worked in the past. It's better to mix social with non social
Him:you don't sort out scum by mixing them
Me:so social = scum?

threeball

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a valid one to make if you follow the thread, hence my question.

Me:putting all social tenants in the one estate has not worked in the past. It's better to mix social with non social
Him:you don't sort out scum by mixing them
Me:so social = scum?

Nope, its been said many times on the thread that the councils know who they are housing and are quite happy to lob a few scumbags into housing estates onto unsuspecting home owners who have basically crucified themselves with mortgages etc only for it all to come crashing down because the council literally don't care who they send where.
Its bad enough that you get hammered with tax on your income and have to fork out ridiculous prices for tiny houses besides subsisting the knacker that moves in next door to the exact same house and never raised a finger in their life and is determined to make your life hell.

AulWan

I hear this notion that the Council "know who they are housing" all the time and wonder where it comes from.

How exactly, to you think the Council "know" who they are housing? There may be a small amount of transferring tenants around, but most people housed are new applicants what would have no previous dealings with the local authority.

Do you think Local Authorities (have time and/or funds to) do a detailed background check on every applicant (and their spouse / partner / children?) before they house them?

threeball

threeball wrote: »

Nope, its been said many times on the thread that the councils know who they are housing and are quite happy to lob a few scumbags into housing estates onto unsuspecting home owners who have basically crucified themselves with mortgages etc only for it all to come crashing down because the council literally don't care who they send where.
Its bad enough that you get hammered with tax on your income and have to fork out ridiculous prices for tiny houses besides subsisting the knacker that moves in next door to the exact same house and never raised a finger in their life and is determined to make your life hell.

The whole point of this thread is to say that lumping all SW tenants into giant estates or blocks of flats is much worse than the situation you describe above. For almost everyone, especially society at large.

mondeo

House is now Sale Agreed, that was pretty quick. We have already left the house in January. We are going house shopping in around D16 and D14. Our priority is to get a house nowhere near public housing. Naturally enough we have to get an additional small mortgage on top of what we get for the shthole in D24 to cover the public housing free zone we will move to. It's all good though, cant wait. No more Tallaght !! Absolutely thrilled is not the word to describe how we feel about leaving this kip. Like we won the lotto or something.

AulWan

mondeo wrote: »

No more Tallaght !! Absolutely thrilled is not the word to describe how we feel about leaving this kip. Like we won the lotto or something.

There are perfectly good and nice areas in Tallaght. Please don't tar the whole area with the same generalised brush.

Good luck in your new home.

mondeo

AulWan wrote: »

There are perfectly good and nice areas in Tallaght. Please don't tar the whole area with the same generalised brush.

Good luck in your new home.

I'm sure there is but to be honest I couldn't care less, we are out and that's all that matters as far as I am concerned. Safety first. But thanks for your wishes.

EmmetSpiceland

AulWan wrote: »

There are perfectly good and nice areas in Tallaght. Please don't tar the whole area with the same generalised brush.

Good luck in your new home.

It’s the same everywhere, there’s “parts” of Dundrum or, even, Dun Laoghaire that I, personally, wouldn’t want to live.

Raconteuse

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

It’s the same everywhere, there’s “parts” of Dundrum or, even, Dun Laoghaire that I, personally, wouldn’t want to live.

It isn't the same everywhere though tbh.

Raconteuse

Raconteuse wrote: »

It isn't the same everywhere though tbh.

Yes indeed, some areas are more overwhelmed by problems than others. I own a place in a beautifully maintained private estate in the D24 region where I have superb tenants, and their neighbours are good too. But not far away are constant problems that sometimes spill onto the estate. I am constantly getting notifications about security issues that threaten the peace of the estate. Where I live myself in D6 there is no such problem, indeed it is not at all everywhere. Yes criminality is carried out by all classes, but I enjoy a sense of peace where I live, but my tenants are always on the lookout where antisocial issues occur on the verge of their estate.

Samuel T. Cogley

mondeo wrote: »

House is now Sale Agreed, that was pretty quick. We have already left the house in January. We are going house shopping in around D16 and D14. Our priority is to get a house nowhere near public housing. Naturally enough we have to get an additional small mortgage on top of what we get for the shthole in D24 to cover the public housing free zone we will move to. It's all good though, cant wait. No more Tallaght !! Absolutely thrilled is not the word to describe how we feel about leaving this kip. Like we won the lotto or something.

Dont count your chickens if you're only sale agreed. Dont be jinxing yourselves.

Bargain_Hound

Fair play, good outcome if you find somewhere quieter and more peaceful to live. I bet that for sale period was stressful.

Assetbacked

AulWan wrote: »

There are perfectly good and nice areas in Tallaght. Please don't tar the whole area with the same generalised brush.

Good luck in your new home.

That's exactly what someone in Tallaght would say. I don't buy it.

Ush1

mondeo wrote: »

House is now Sale Agreed, that was pretty quick. We have already left the house in January. We are going house shopping in around D16 and D14. Our priority is to get a house nowhere near public housing. Naturally enough we have to get an additional small mortgage on top of what we get for the shthole in D24 to cover the public housing free zone we will move to. It's all good though, cant wait. No more Tallaght !! Absolutely thrilled is not the word to describe how we feel about leaving this kip. Like we won the lotto or something.

What part of Tallaght was the house in?

Ush1

Assetbacked wrote: »

That's exactly what someone in Tallaght would say. I don't buy it.

Have you ever visited Tallaght?

Stevieluvsye

There are 3 or 4 no go area's that even people from Tallaght wouldn't venture in to. I seem to recall where the OP was living and it's a kip. But not the worst kip

Raconteuse

Assetbacked wrote: »

That's exactly what someone in Tallaght would say. I don't buy it.

Well I'm not from Tallaght. Lots of it is grand - normal suburbia. It's just we only hear of the negative stuff, which makes sense. We're not gonna be hearing about normalcy.

It's a big area in fairness - over 75,000.

Ush1

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

There are 3 or 4 no go area's that even people from Tallaght wouldn't venture in to. I seem to recall where the OP was living and it's a kip. But not the worst kip

I asked earlier in the thread where it was and he didn't respond. From the OP, it's a private estate anyway.

I'd be curious how long it was going on for and how long the OP lived there if the house was fully paid for.

Stevieluvsye

From what i can remember it was initially part private and part social but it has been overrun now and is pretty much all social with very high unemployment. If it is the same place i think i was actually up there yesterday and it is as bad as ever

LineOfBeauty

Awful whiff of lower class discrimination off this thread. All of societies woes are easiest to blame on those in society whose voices are marginalised.

Hotblack Desiato

Ah right, so the reason they let their kids run feral and destroy everyone else's property and quality of life is because "their voices are marginalised" ? :rolleyes:

Stevieluvsye

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Awful whiff of lower class discrimination off this thread. All of societies woes are easiest to blame on those in society whose voices are marginalised.

No no no

You have no idea what these area's are like. NONE

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Awful whiff of lower class discrimination off this thread. All of societies woes are easiest to blame on those in society whose voices are marginalised.

most objectionable individual behaviours are easy to blame on the individual in question

if you have a problem with that statement, you can take some of the blame too

Raconteuse

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Awful whiff of lower class discrimination off this thread. All of societies woes are easiest to blame on those in society whose voices are marginalised.

You're the one who used the term "lower class"!

I don't give a shyte about the supposed class background of a person - just their behaviour. Has anyone blamed all of society's woes on those whose voices are marginalised? The latter to me are the disabled and sick and very elderly and their carers, living in fear of attacks by violent criminals. Or the quiet families just trying to live their best lives, fearing that they/their children will be preyed upon and having to endure intimidation by a powerful minority who always call the shots. Vulnerable they are not.

LineOfBeauty

Raconteuse wrote: »

You're the one who used the term "lower class"!

I don't give a shyte about the supposed class background of a person - just their behaviour. Has anyone blamed all of society's woes on those whose voices are marginalised? The latter to me are the disabled and sick and very elderly and their carers, living in fear of attacks by violent criminals. Or the quiet families just trying to live their best lives, fearing that they/their children will be preyed upon and having to endure intimidation by a powerful minority who always call the shots.

The entire thread is about people from a low income background. It can be dressed up with terms like "social housing estates" and all that but it's pretty clear what people are really getting at. Marganlised yes. Who represents them in the media? Who advocates on their behalf? When things go tits up at the top who suffers? It's always those are the bottom that suffer.

Stevieluvsye

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

The entire thread is about people from a low income background. It can be dressed up with terms like "social housing estates" and all that but it's pretty clear what people are really getting at. Marganlised yes. Who represents them in the media? Who advocates on their behalf? When things go tits up at the top who suffers? It's always those are the bottom that suffer.

Paul Murphy certainly represents this lot anyway

Raconteuse

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

The entire thread is about people from a low income background. It can be dressed up with terms like "social housing estates" and all that but it's pretty clear what people are really getting at. Marganlised yes. Who represents them in the media? Who advocates on their behalf? When things go tits up at the top who suffers? It's always those are the bottom that suffer.

I find it frustrating when anti social behaviour and violent criminal behaviour are downplayed or even sidelined to tell people that they're looking down on absolutely anyone who lives in local authority housing/is in receipt of a low income, when all that's being looked down upon is the behaviour of some. And those living in the same neighbourhoods are the ones who have to endure the worst of the behaviour.

I don't think they appreciate excuses being made for the people making their lives a misery - by people who don't have to live near them.

As another member here once said, it's just another form of "I'm all right Jack."

Mr_Roger_Bongos

mondeo wrote: »

I live in Dublin 24 area, We made a hard decision today that it is in our interest to sell our house for safety and peace reasons.The reason is Youths... Our house is a cornor house and has been the victim of stone throwing, our cars have been damaged in our driveways several times. Have CCTV and security motion activated lights, may aswell have nothing there at all. They don't care, these young lads are all around the place every night of the week, friday and saturday night in particular has become nerve wrecking.. I find myself running to the windows everytime our security lights are triggered to see who is out there. This is no way to live.... .

Did you ever try taking a sh*te over the wall where they normally stand?

Nothing clears a crowd like that. Not great for you going out the front to the car, but at least you'd know it's yours!

A few ****es and they'd soon relocate.

Nermal

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Who represents them in the media? Who advocates on their behalf?

The vast majority of our media and politicians whinge constantly about de most vulnerable. If they ever take a break it’s to blame de banks and de vulture funds.

The scobies who made the OP’s life a misery are not short of advocates. What they really need is the jackboot.