Selling house because of Youth problem

crossman47

Assetbacked wrote: »

That's exactly what someone in Tallaght would say. I don't buy it.

Thata ridiculous. Tallaght is the size of a provincial city so has good and bad areas like all of them. Have you ever even been in areas like Bancroft, belgard or Kingswood. These are normal estates with normal people in all sorts of jobs (public servants, business men, IT workers, teachers, etc, etc). Your generalisation is off the wall.

Stevieluvsye

crossman47 wrote: »

Thata ridiculous. Tallaght is the size of a provincial city so has good and bad areas like all of them. Have you ever even been in areas like Bancroft, belgard or Kingswood. These are normal estates with normal people in all sorts of jobs (public servants, business men, IT workers, teachers, etc, etc). Your generalisation is off the wall.

I wouldn't waste your time. Some people think Tallaght is some kind of warzone no go area.

And i could add at least another 10 estates/area's that are lovely spots to the excellent one's you mentioned

iamwhoiam

crossman47 wrote: »

Thata ridiculous. Tallaght is the size of a provincial city so has good and bad areas like all of them. Have you ever even been in areas like Bancroft, belgard or Kingswood. These are normal estateswith normal people in all sorts of jobs (public servants, business men, IT workers, teachers, etc, etc). Your generalisation is off the wall.

Exactly . as are Old Bawn , Kilnamanagh , etc .Some People only see what the trashy newspapers write about Tallaght . Living in my area are nurses, teachers, Firefighters , Gardaí , Managers , retired civil servants, and all living in harmony and supporting schools etc just like normal everyday other people

Patrick2010

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Exactly . as are Old Bawn , Kilnamanagh , etc .Some People only see what the trashy newspapers write about Tallaght . Living in my area are nurses, teachers, Firefighters , Gardaí , Managers , retired civil servants, and all living in harmony and supporting schools etc just like normal everyday other people

Echo that, assume the OP was living in West Tallaght area where there are a high number of "marginalised"scumbags. I work in Citywest so know the area well.

Bio Mech

Had to bring a child to the Affidea clinic near the square in Tallaght. Christ what a hole. Junkie zombies stumbling around the whole area. Nearly as bad as Parnell square.

I know Tallaght a little bit. Never lived there but a college friend grew up there. Drank in the Cuckoos nest a good few times.

My two cents. It does indeed have some very nice parts. But the crap parts are really crap and there’s a lot of them.

Samuel T. Cogley

Bio Mech wrote: »

Had to bring a child to the Affidea clinic near the square in Tallaght. Christ what a hole. Junkie zombies stumbling around the whole area. Nearly as bad as Parnell square.

I know Tallaght a little bit. Never lived there but a college friend grew up there. Drank in the Cuckoos nest a good few times.

My two cents. It does indeed have some very nice parts. But the crap parts are really crap and there’s a lot of them.

You've just described Dublin if not the entire country.

iamwhoiam

Bio Mech wrote: »

Had to bring a child to the Affidea clinic near the square in Tallaght. Christ what a hole. Junkie zombies stumbling around the whole area. Nearly as bad as Parnell square.

I know Tallaght a little bit. Never lived there but a college friend grew up there. Drank in the Cuckoos nest a good few times.

My two cents. It does indeed have some very nice parts. But the crap parts are really crap and there’s a lot of them.

Funnily enough I had to go to the Affidea clinic in Tallaght too recently . I saw nothing like you did , just people coming off the LUAS , some going to the Square , some to the library and some to the Civic Theatre . Not a junkie in sight actually

Ps . And some kids from the apartments playing on new scooters and bikes with their parents . Just ordinary life really

EmmetSpiceland

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

You've just described Dublin if not the entire country.

Not according to some on here.

perrito caliente

I find a couple bags of potato cubes or wedges from SuperValu solves a lot of these issues. The kids are happy to receive them and they'll key another person's car the next time.

freshpopcorn

perrito caliente wrote: »

I find a couple bags of potato cubes or wedges from SuperValu solves a lot of these issues. The kids are happy to receive them and they'll key another person's car the next time.

So, arm the Gardaí with potato wedges and cubes?

TheValeyard

perrito caliente wrote: »

I find a couple bags of potato cubes or wedges from SuperValu solves a lot of these issues. The kids are happy to receive them and they'll key another person's car the next time.

So.... Extortion?

anewme

Feel for the OP and also the next person who is going to try to live there and for any other decent families in the Estate.

It shows the problem with making Estates half private/ half social.

Usually one side wins out and it's usually pulled down rather than rise up.

Does it really make a person a snob for not wanting to buy in an area with a large number of social houses? People are just trying to avoid what happened to OP.

I'm not really buying the marginalised victims either, maybe the ones who wrecked Lidl in Fortunestown only did it because they were hungry?

Deebles McBeebles

Bad spot if you're relying on public transport too.
https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-bus-polling-day-pulling-services-4994773-Feb2020/

Stevieluvsye

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Bad spot if you're relying on public transport too.
https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-bus-polling-day-pulling-services-4994773-Feb2020/

The furthest them lot go is the square. You'd walk it in 15 minutes. Not a worry for them :pac:

Ush1

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Bad spot if you're relying on public transport too.
https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-bus-polling-day-pulling-services-4994773-Feb2020/

Same thing happened with Tesco delivery drivers. Russell Square seems to be particularly bad.

Stevieluvsye

Ard Mor & Mac Uiliam don't get a thing delivered up there including post as far as i know. Those two and Russell Square which is right next to them are absolute fcuking dumps

GhostyMcGhost

Meanwhile, 5 mins up the road...

Stevieluvsye

Smashing estate. Had a ramble around it the weekend. Literally a minutes walk to the luas stop

Wont be long before the theft rates are on the rise unfortunately.

DrumSteve

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Ard Mor & Mac Uiliam don't get a thing delivered up there including post as far as i know. Those two and Russell Square which is right next to them are absolute fcuking dumps

Was just thinking this whole thread was about one of them.

Strange, I've lived in various parts of tallaght for a few years over my life and never had a bother.

Deebles McBeebles

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Ard Mor & Mac Uiliam don't get a thing delivered up there including post as far as i know. Those two and Russell Square which is right next to them are absolute fcuking dumps

Right you are.
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/postal-services-suspended-mac-uilliam-16466425

Stevieluvsye

Them two i mentioned have only got really bad over the last 15 years. An EMT was telling me a couple of years back that their Ambulance was smashed up attending a call

Deebles McBeebles

Mac Uiliam seems to have a traveller quarantine unit
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2830193,-6.4158955,3a,75y,100.1h,74.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm6pRu90jnrutbl60a5_1gA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Complete with nearby horse
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2833892,-6.415559,3a,75y,100.98h,61.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2Kdm2_snH3hNnTH5_Qe_fA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

An interesting virtual walk.

musiknonstop

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

The entire thread is about people from a low income background. It can be dressed up with terms like "social housing estates" and all that but it's pretty clear what people are really getting at. Marganlised yes. Who represents them in the media? Who advocates on their behalf? When things go tits up at the top who suffers? It's always those are the bottom that suffer.

The building I live in in D24 suffered €1.6 million damage thanks to these poor suffering marginalised people. Biggest mistake of my life moving there.

TheW1zard

salt of da earth

SusieBlue

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

The entire thread is about people from a low income background. It can be dressed up with terms like "social housing estates" and all that but it's pretty clear what people are really getting at. Marganlised yes. Who represents them in the media? Who advocates on their behalf? When things go tits up at the top who suffers? It's always those are the bottom that suffer.

I'm from a low income backgroud and grew up in a socioeconomically disadvantaged area (not in Dublin) and don't feel insulted or offended by any of the comments on this thread because neither I nor my family are scumbags.

Judge people on their character and behaviour rather than excusing them because their circumstances.
Plenty of people grow up in areas like this without breaking the law, terrorising their neighbours and causing a negative atmosphere.
We should all be held to the same standard regardless of upbringing and anyone who purposely intimidates & harasses their innocent neighbours are total scumbags, imo. No excuses.

Ush1

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Ye i didn't want to mention that Deebs

A lot of our African friends also

I'm not being racist but it does seem to be almost all black people and travellers that live there.

Stevieluvsye

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm not being racist but it does seem to be almost all black people and travellers that live there.

With some junkies and scumbags thrown in also

pinkyeye

musiknonstop wrote: »

The building I live in in D24 suffered €1.6 million damage thanks to these poor suffering marginalised people. Biggest mistake of my life moving there.

1.6m in damages, would you get a grip. .

You'd build 5 houses for that. Talk about bs. :D:D:D

pinkyeye

So this is now a Tallaght bashing thread basically?

Jizique

pinkyeye wrote: »

1.6m in damages, would you get a grip. .

You'd build 5 houses for that. Talk about bs. :D:D:D

Presumably it’s an apartment complex

Ronaldinho

pinkyeye wrote: »

1.6m in damages, would you get a grip. .

You'd build 5 houses for that. Talk about bs. :D:D:D

Ever heard of an apartment block? I can post a picture of one if that helps.

Galwayguy35

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

The entire thread is about people from a low income background. It can be dressed up with terms like "social housing estates" and all that but it's pretty clear what people are really getting at. Marganlised yes. Who represents them in the media? Who advocates on their behalf? When things go tits up at the top who suffers? It's always those are the bottom that suffer.

Paul Murphy
Ruth Coppinger
Richard Boyd Barrett
Gino Kenny
Mick Barry

That's just off the top of my head but the marginalised as you call them seem well represented to me.

SusieBlue

SusieBlue wrote: »

I'm from a low income backgroud and grew up in a socioeconomically disadvantaged area (not in Dublin) and don't feel insulted or offended by any of the comments on this thread because neither I nor my family are scumbags.

Judge people on their character and behaviour rather than excusing them because their circumstances.
Plenty of people grow up in areas like this without breaking the law, terrorising their neighbours and causing a negative atmosphere.
We should all be held to the same standard regardless of upbringing and anyone who purposely intimidates & harasses their innocent neighbours are total scumbags, imo. No excuses.

Same.. I'm from a sh#*hole area.
And I'm not one but offended by this thread.
I wouldn't live in another council estate if you paid me, and Id die before I let me kids grow up in one. Same reason, my family are not scumbags. This scumbag generation is handed down. It'll never have an end to it.
Reading through this thread and looking at the Google maps images another poster put up gives me the chills

Kermit.de.frog

The bad thing about the housing policy of mixed social/private is that it will become more and more difficult for ordinary working families to avoid the problems that go with social housing. And these problems are often really severe.

The OP is a perfect example of the issues being created.

Is it morally right that those families should have to endure this trouble?

I don't think it is.

Agree 100% with the poster who said there is no dragging up the neighbors here, everyone only gets pulled down to their level. Which is what they want. It's their goal in life.

biko

Galway's Fana Glas
A city councillor has revealed he hired a private drone to uncover the ‘destruction’ of a social housing development in Ballybane.

Scary how far it can go when not addressed rapidly.
https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-life/drone-footage-of-fana-glas-area-in-ballybane/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSVkSBFDxA

Strumms

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The bad thing about the housing policy of mixed social/private is that it will become more and more difficult for ordinary working families to avoid the problems that go with social housing. And these problems are often really severe.

The OP is a perfect example of the issues being created.

Is it morally right that those families should have to endure this trouble?

I don't think it is.

Agree 100% with the poster who said there is no dragging up the neighbors here, everyone only gets pulled down to their level. Which is what they want. It's their goal in life.

There is unfortunately a default mindset that people in less affluent areas and situations should be almost exempt from the rule of law or sanctions when caught causing trouble or hurting their neighbor.... scumbag family see their neighbors going to work, buying a car, going away for a weekend or whatever..”I know, let’s rob their garage, let’s ignore our kids when they smash a football repeatedly off their car”...

Kermit.de.frog

biko wrote: »

Galway's Fana Glas
A city councillor has revealed he hired a private drone to uncover the ‘destruction’ of a social housing development in Ballybane.

Scary how far it can go when not addressed rapidly.
https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-life/drone-footage-of-fana-glas-area-in-ballybane/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSVkSBFDxA

Say to residents in Foxrock that there is going to be a traveller encampment with housing in the area and you'll see quick as lightning the moral superiority go up in smoke.

Yet for most of the rest in ordinary estates up and down the country it's really sad what is being forced to be endured.

Why are those people not evicted?

AlmightyCushion

biko wrote: »

Galway's Fana Glas
A city councillor has revealed he hired a private drone to uncover the ‘destruction’ of a social housing development in Ballybane.

Scary how far it can go when not addressed rapidly.
https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-life/drone-footage-of-fana-glas-area-in-ballybane/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSVkSBFDxA

That is fúcking disgusting and it's just allowed continue. It's a complete joke.

05eaftqbrs9jlh

We have a lot of anti social behaviour in our area as well. It can make it very intimidating walking around after dark. I always keep the head up and the hood up and salute the group or say hi, I've never really seen them advance on anyone but they're quite stand-offish.

A couple of months ago, I was walking home from the chipper and I'd gotten a double meal with two Cokes but I was going to eat the double meal myself in about fifteen seconds like an animal when I got home, so I only really wanted the one can. I also had a load of cheap chocolate from the local place that gets the expired ones out of bins or whatever and sells them on really cheap.

As I passed, I said "Cmere dye want a few twixes?" and gave them a packet
"Ya fuekin legend" "Nice wan" "Oonrail"
"Have a can as well lads. Enjoy yer weekend"

I didn't stay to talk then, indicating the chips, but now every time I pass we salute each other and we've chatted a few times for a while. I'm nearly thirty and they're between sixteen and eighteen but I find it interesting to hear what their lives are like. None of them are in school, basically only barely made it to JC, and they don't seem to give a sh!t about getting a job or doing much of anything except smoking weed or taking yokes. I don't give them any unsolicited advice or anything, just listen to what's happening with them.

My general sense is that they hate adults because we think they're wasters but they refuse to conform as some sort of power play. So to me, somebody moving house because of them is like vindicating their entire existence.

musiknonstop

pinkyeye wrote: »

1.6m in damages, would you get a grip. .

You'd build 5 houses for that. Talk about bs. :D:D:D

It was arson. Insurance paid out €1.6 million.

musiknonstop

Jizique wrote: »

Presumably it’s an apartment complex

Correct.

Strumms

Joelle Victorious Jawbone wrote: »

My general sense is that they hate adults because we think they're wasters but they refuse to conform as some sort of power play. So to me, somebody moving house because of them is like vindicating their entire existence.

I’d rather vindicate and enable my own happiness, comfort and peace of mind so I can walk home safely rather then feel like I need to barter with them with confectionery to guarantee that I don’t get robbed, assaulted and abused every time I pass....

You’ll find yourself next running to the nearest Spar on the way home hoping to get there before it shuts so you have a few mars bars to hand to gain safe passage to home....

Nobody needs that shït.

horse7

mondeo wrote: »

I live in Dublin 24 area, We made a hard decision today that it is in our interest to sell our house for safety and peace reasons.The reason is Youths... Our house is a cornor house and has been the victim of stone throwing, our cars have been damaged in our driveways several times. Have CCTV and security motion activated lights, may aswell have nothing there at all. They don't care, these young lads are all around the place every night of the week, friday and saturday night in particular has become nerve wrecking.. I find myself running to the windows everytime our security lights are triggered to see who is out there. This is no way to live....

All of this has been happening over the past year, maybe a little longer. My partner doesn't want to live in the house anymore and neither do I. It's fine during the day time, after 7pm it's stressing us out. We are contacting an estate agent on Monday morning to get the ball rolling so we can get out of here. It's so sad since the house is all paid for and everything. We don't want to move terribly far because we work pretty close to our house. One thing is for sure, wherever we move to is not going to be anywhere near council estates ! Our house unfortunately is very near a council estate and this is where we believe these little scruffy bastads are spawning from. This could go on for years and years, so we are getting out now.

Try this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito

05eaftqbrs9jlh

Strumms wrote: »

I’d rather vindicate and enable my own happiness, comfort and peace of mind so I can walk home safely rather then feel like I need to barter with them with confectionery to guarantee that I don’t get robbed, assaulted and abused every time I pass....

You’ll find yourself next running to the nearest Spar on the way home hoping to get there before it shuts so you have a few mars bars to hand to gain safe passage to home....

Nobody needs that shït.

That's not what happened afterwards at all. But I respect your decision too. If it's impacting on you that badly you should move if you can. All the best and I hope it gets sorted.

Strumms

Joelle Victorious Jawbone wrote: »

That's not what happened afterwards at all. But I respect your decision too. If it's impacting on you that badly you should move if you can. All the best and I hope it gets sorted.

It’s the same as what I had to endure, antisocial and threatening behavior. Got dealt with.

markodaly

Joelle Victorious Jawbone wrote: »

We have a lot of anti social behaviour in our area as well. It can make it very intimidating walking around after dark. I always keep the head up and the hood up and salute the group or say hi, I've never really seen them advance on anyone but they're quite stand-offish.

A couple of months ago, I was walking home from the chipper and I'd gotten a double meal with two Cokes but I was going to eat the double meal myself in about fifteen seconds like an animal when I got home, so I only really wanted the one can. I also had a load of cheap chocolate from the local place that gets the expired ones out of bins or whatever and sells them on really cheap.

As I passed, I said "Cmere dye want a few twixes?" and gave them a packet
"Ya fuekin legend" "Nice wan" "Oonrail"
"Have a can as well lads. Enjoy yer weekend"

I didn't stay to talk then, indicating the chips, but now every time I pass we salute each other and we've chatted a few times for a while. I'm nearly thirty and they're between sixteen and eighteen but I find it interesting to hear what their lives are like. None of them are in school, basically only barely made it to JC, and they don't seem to give a sh!t about getting a job or doing much of anything except smoking weed or taking yokes. I don't give them any unsolicited advice or anything, just listen to what's happening with them.

My general sense is that they hate adults because we think they're wasters but they refuse to conform as some sort of power play. So to me, somebody moving house because of them is like vindicating their entire existence.

Hmmm. :pac:

I get what you are saying in a way. These guys dont have a hope because of their environment, but that goes down to the parents.
We should not be encouraging breeding of this nature.

Deebles McBeebles

markodaly wrote: »

Hmmm. :pac:

I get what you are saying in a way. These guys dont have a hope because of their environment, but that goes down to the parents.
We should not be encouraging breeding of this nature.

We aren't encouraging it though, Mark. The government have taken over the churches role in doing that. Needs to be disincentivised.

Qrt

DrumSteve wrote: »

Was just thinking this whole thread was about one of them.

Strange, I've lived in various parts of tallaght for a few years over my life and never had a bother.

Local resident, ard mór is rough, mac uillaim is f***ing shocking, but the majority of Russell Square is fine. Sadly the front roads (the ones people see basically) are disgusting.

Standman

Strumms wrote: »

I’d rather vindicate and enable my own happiness, comfort and peace of mind so I can walk home safely rather then feel like I need to barter with them with confectionery to guarantee that I don’t get robbed, assaulted and abused every time I pass....

You’ll find yourself next running to the nearest Spar on the way home hoping to get there before it shuts so you have a few mars bars to hand to gain safe passage to home....

Nobody needs that shït.

I agree but I also think the poster you're replying to is getting at something important. When I was in my teens I moved from the country to a housing estate near a town and noticed immediately how differently adults in the neighbourhood reacted towards us as teenagers - from wariness/suspicion to outright aggression.

One example, me and my friend were out walking his dog through the estate one night when some random dog came running out and barking at us and we're trying to shoo it off, all of a sudden this man runs out of a house and starts squaring up at my friend shouting "What are you doing to my dog!" and digs him a headbutt. Me and my friend we're badly shaken after it, but it was indicative of the attitude adults had towards us.

When you're treated like that as a teenager it puts you in a negative/defensive mindset towards adults which often manifests in general misbehaviour as a childish way to say f*ck you.

As an adult now I can see both sides of it. People are scared and they react impulsively - however adults are supposed to be the adults in the situation...

I'm not excusing what the OP had to put up with or anything and completely empathise with their situation. I'm talking about more generally speaking, when you live in close quarters with other people sometimes there are reasonable compromises that could be made, that maybe in a perfect world you'd prefer not to have to deal with.

Hotblack Desiato

Standman wrote: »

One example, me and my friend were out walking his dog through the estate one night when some random dog came running out and barking at us and we're trying to shoo it off, all of a sudden this man runs out of a house and starts squaring up at my friend shouting "What are you doing to my dog!" and digs him a headbutt. Me and my friend we're badly shaken after it, but it was indicative of the attitude adults had towards us.

Indicative that you came across a thug. If you were 50 and smaller than him he'd have done the same.