Significant increase' in babies born into homelessness

dvdman1

Pmacv1 wrote: »

There's no excuse for having children you can't afford. Abortions are free.

Everyone doesnt agree with abortions also rich people dont get the monopoly on our future generation.

NIMAN

"My lot in life is terrible. I'm living in emergency accommodation, no permanent home in sight, it's ruining my mental health and that of my kids, who have nowhere to play, do their homework or bring friends round".

"I know what'll help the situation, I'll bring another kid into all this".

Allowing for total lack of personal responsibility is unforgivable. What is wrong with people?

Wanderer78

NIMAN wrote: »

"My lot in life is terrible. I'm living in emergency accommodation, no permanent home in sight, it's ruining my mental health and that of my kids, who have nowhere to play, do their homework or bring friends round".

"I know what'll help the situation, I'll bring another kid into all this".

Allowing for total lack of personal responsibility is unforgivable. What is wrong with people?

some people seem to think we all have equal opportunities in life, we all have the ability to get access to our most critical of needs, such as housing

Lillyfae

Pmacv1 wrote: »

There's no excuse for having children you can't afford. Abortions are free.

So is contraception, no need to have an abortion.

dvdman1 wrote: »

Everyone doesnt agree with abortions also rich people dont get the monopoly on our future generation.

See above, abortion is not the alternative to having a child.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

forced sterilization, its the only way!

Hey, contraception is not sterilization.

Macdarack wrote: »

If they have kids while homeless, the newborn should be put up for adoption. Each one of these kids born could go on in life and end up costing the state over 600,000 over their lifespans if they end up likd their parents. I know a lot of professional couples who can't have kids and could give these home less kids a great life.

They are completely unfit parents if they will recklessly endanger a child by having it, so I think there's a definite argument to be had for fostering of children born into homelessness, but Ireland can't seem to actually give any care to children in care so not exactly a great solution. I can't bring myself to reduce the life of a child to a monetary figure (being a parent myself this might be a bit shocking/ depressing anyway :pac:) but I firmly believe that the current system is incentivising as many children as possible with no accountability for the poor things post natal. Even ante natal, with many poor little things born with the effects of drug and/ or alcohol abuse. That, imo, should be instant forced adoption.

Wanderer78

go full retard, its the only way to solve this age old boards conundrum! should we be looking at bringing back laundries?

Lillyfae

Wanderer78 wrote: »

some people seem to think we all have equal opportunities in life, we all have the ability to get access to our most critical of needs, such as housing

What about access to medical care? The medical card allows them better access, their contraception is free so AGAIN better access.

I managed to not have a child until my 30s by which time I owned my own home having rented in houseshares for years. These people will never have to share, they have made sure of that by guaranteeing the taxpayer that it wasn't just them that needed to be housed. Not to mention what has stopped them from accessing the same education that we are all offered? What's stopping them from getting jobs before they have 3+ children and can't access the workforce using "childcare costs" as an excuse??

marieholmfan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Absolutely would agree with this and have been advocating for it. Would free up a lot of housing stock and create great communities of retirees in 1 bedroom apartments where services could be concentrated and alone elderly people monitored closely.

However I think this has to be tackled holistically and any incentive to even have children to get a social house or more money just removed, those who are not in employment or have no prospects of working enough to meet the current contributory pension rules should not be allowed even apply to live inside our cities, and those who fall in to severe long term unemployment (>3 years) should be made to move out of cities to make space in the housing for those who work.

The most important role of any Irish government is to encourage Irish people to have children. The alternative is the extermination of the Irish race!

Your policies are sensible and likely to achieve this!

Wanderer78

Lillyfae wrote: »

What about access to medical care? The medical card allows them better access, their contraception is free so AGAIN better access.

I managed to not have a child until my 30s by which time I owned my own home having rented in houseshares for years. These people will never have to share, they have made sure of that by guaranteeing the taxpayer that it wasn't just them that needed to be housed. Not to mention what has stopped them from accessing the same education that we are all offered? What's stopping them from getting jobs before they have 3+ children and can't access the workforce using "childcare costs" as an excuse??

what if our educational and training systems dont actually fulfill all of our citizens needs, and ultimately fails to educate and train them for the job market? what if you dont have access to the thousands that is required to achieve a reasonable level of education? free education, now that is not exactly true!

marieholmfan

Lillyfae wrote: »

What about access to medical care? The medical card allows them better access, their contraception is free so AGAIN better access.

I managed to not have a child until my 30s by which time I owned my own home having rented in houseshares for years. These people will never have to share, they have made sure of that by guaranteeing the taxpayer that it wasn't just them that needed to be housed. Not to mention what has stopped them from accessing the same education that we are all offered? What's stopping them from getting jobs before they have 3+ children and can't access the workforce using "childcare costs" as an excuse??

Sorry to hear that.

Lillyfae

marieholmfan wrote: »

Sorry to hear that.

It was shocking difficult, I don't know how it happened. Margaret Cash is about 5 years younger than me with 8 times as many children

Lillyfae

Wanderer78 wrote: »

what if our educational and training systems dont actually fulfill all of our citizens needs, and ultimately fails to educate and train them for the job market? what if you dont have access to the thousands that is required to achieve a reasonable level of education? free education, now that is not exactly true!

What needs are unfulfilled exactly?? Are there not extra supports for those with learning difficulties? Are there not grants based on their means or lack thereof? I knew quite a few when I went to school who received and fully availed of these.

I also remember in school I needed to get a form signed by the school every year after I turned 15/ 16 to prove the I was still in full time education. This in order for my parents to continue to receive child benefit. Do some children who leave school before this somehow still qualify their parents receipt of some benefit or not?

Wanderer78

Lillyfae wrote: »

What needs are unfulfilled exactly?? Are there not extra supports for those with learning difficulties? Are there not grants based on their means or lack thereof? I knew quite a few when I went to school who received and fully availed of these.

I also remember in school I needed to get a form signed by the school every year after I turned 15/ 16 to prove the I was still in full time education. This in order for my parents to continue to receive child benefit. Do some children who leave school before this somehow still qualify their parents receipt of some benefit or not?

our educational system is designed for certain types of minds, it ultimately fails those that do not have these types of minds, its ultimately a giant memory test, and if you have memory related issues, you re gonna struggle, but it also fails in many other ways.

yes and no to supports, supports are poor at best, none existing in some schools, if you have not been diagnosed, you re screwed.

grants alone are simply not enough, it can easily cost multiples of times a grant amount, to support a single person at third level, and if you dont have access to those funds, its simply isnt gonna happen for you.

if you cannot prove your child is still in school, and you are on welfare, you will be deducted, strangely enough, increasing the likelihood of further poverty, and increasingly likelihood, of a lifetime on welfare

AlanG

Do these numbers include people on HAP - if so they are not homeless in the way most people think, usually they are working families who have to register as homeless to get the higher HAP payments needed to rent in Dublin. Lots of people on HAP are in secure rented accommodation and have jobs with average pay. People renting without HAP are often in a far more precarious position as they spend a higher proportion of their wages on rent.

BDI

Why can’t they work as cleaners in the hotels they live in?

Why can’t the government buy or build some of these hotels.

Why can’t they keep the men and women in different hotels until they can afford to house themselves?

Why does the system encourage people to have more babies and work less before they can have a house?

Why do our taxes pay for tradesmen to come and fix these houses everytime they break something in them? That’s right if they need a plumber, joe public pays.

Why is the government propping up the hotel industry by providing them with booked up rooms at the full rate?

Why can’t we buy up all the closed down hotels around the dead ex tourist towns and use the old reception as a school and send them down there for 2 years before they get a free house? Cal it a free holiday entitlement and they will be all over it.

Wanderer78

Keep it coming folks, we re almost at full retard status now, go boards!

Lillyfae

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Keep it coming folks, we re almost at full retard status now, go boards!

Alright dude, not biting anymore

Wanderer78

Lillyfae wrote:

Alright dude, not biting anymore

Awww that's a pity, happy Monday

ampleforth

Richard571 wrote: »

The homeless charity industry really winds me up sometimes.

See latest news story on RTÉ on increasing amount of babies born into homelessness...,“The charity's founder (Focus) Sr Stan said it was "shocking and appalling" and "fundamentally wrong", adding that the situation was "worse than ever”.

What is wrong is the complete lack of personal accountability- WTF are people having children for if they are in temporary accommodation. The state should not be there to support everyone in every situation if they recklessly add to their own woes.

I’m sure they do good work and I know there are genuine cases but this undermines their position in my mind.

End of rant.

Could it be that homelessness has the psychological effect of wanting more stability and having more children as a 'false' solution to the issue? I saw that returning ISIS fighters are coming back with newborns ... I am quite puzzled by this ...

Lillyfae

ampleforth wrote: »

Could it be that homelessness has the psychological effect of wanting more stability and having more children as a 'false' solution to the issue? I saw that returning ISIS fighters are coming back with newborns ... I am quite puzzled by this ...

No contraception in the caliphate, obvs, coupled with many marriages between people living like it's their last day on Earth constantly. I don't find it that surprising.

ampleforth

Lillyfae wrote: »

No contraception in the caliphate, obvs, coupled with many marriages between people living like it's their last day on Earth constantly. I don't find it that surprising.

The movie Idiocracy summed it up well... who are the 'idiots' and who are the smart ones really?

Keyzer

suicide_circus wrote: »

its not a lack of contraception thats making people who cant afford it have kids. kids are the key to more free stuff.

This is exactly the point.

In some instances, children are being used like a currency for more social welfare pay outs.

Kermit.de.frog

On the issue of housing incidentally - Raheny says NO to new homes in their area

https://twitter.com/ShaneODonoghue/status/1196038556814381056

marieholmfan

Keyzer wrote: »

This is exactly the point.

In some instances, children are being used like a currency for more social welfare pay outs.

as long as it's Irish people having children that's fine.

collywobble7

Wanderer78 wrote:

some people seem to think we all have equal opportunities in life, we all have the ability to get access to our most critical of needs, such as housing

We do

Wanderer78

collywobble7 wrote:

We do

We actually don't, 10,000 homeless, and growing, is a fairly good, in fact, a fcuking amazing indicator, we really dont

Gunmonkey

Lillyfae wrote: »

These people will never have to share, they have made sure of that by guaranteeing the taxpayer that it wasn't just them that needed to be housed. Not to mention what has stopped them from accessing the same education that we are all offered? What's stopping them from getting jobs before they have 3+ children and can't access the workforce using "childcare costs" as an excuse??

Dont forget needing to have a house with 5 minutes of their Ma's house and she lives in the city centre so......

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Keep it coming folks, we re almost at full retard status now, go boards!

Bit late, we reached that at post #17.

Huntergonzo

Welfare babies

"Cause I got a golden ticket"

Wanderer78

Gunmonkey wrote:

Bit late, we reached that at post #17.

Oh God no, I do think the bestest of retardness is still to come, I've faith in boards

Topgear on Dave

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

On the issue of housing incidentally - Raheny says NO to new homes in their area

Fair play to committed socialist and champion of the working classes Aodhan O'Riordan for battling to prevent these apartments being built.

I also look forward to the labour parties condemnations of the homelessness round the city.:rolleyes:

chris525

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Stop child benefit after the 2nd child for everyone regardless.

Problem solved.

They should never have introduced these benefits in the first place. It creates dependency culture.

If they had never introduced these things people would have gotten by and we would be far better off now.

But once they introduce them the damage is done.

Birth rate will plummet and migration will increase.