Rural Fibre Broadband, Really?

MrAbyss

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You need to understand rural dwellers are every bit entitled to have broadband access as our urban counterparts. Society dude.

Why? Am I entitled to Agricultural Subsidies living in my flat in Drumcondra too?

Nermal

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You need to understand rural dwellers are every bit entitled to have broadband access as our urban counterparts. Society dude.

Sure, so long as you pay what it costs and don't demand the rest of us to subsidise you.

MrAbyss

speaking of which - how does this tie in with the 2040 plan of tripling the size of cities outside of Dublin?

Seems to me Rural Broadband is completely contradictory to this agenda?

realdanbreen

MrAbyss wrote: »

Why? Am I entitled to Agricultural Subsidies living in my flat in Drumcondra too?

Living in a flat in drumcondra? Son you are entitled to all the subsidies going, I cannot think of a more miserable existence.

Thelonious Monk

realdanbreen wrote: »

Living in a flat in drumcondra? Son you are entitled to all the subsidies going, I cannot think of a more miserable existence.

Drumcondra is a great area, walking distance to the centre of Dublin, amazing pubs and restaurants. You'd probably find it intimidating with all the people and life in the place though, maybe even some foreign accents.

realdanbreen

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Drumcondra is a great area, walking distance to the centre of Dublin, amazing pubs and restaurants. You'd probably find it intimidating with all the people and life in the place though, maybe even some foreign accents.

So you reckon being able to walk to O'Connell street meeting 'all the people' and 'hearing some foreign accents' means you are living the life!

Gary kk

MrAbyss wrote: »

The first underground rail system for Dublin was implemented in 1973. It has been rebranded and canceled constantly since. The city has some of the worst traffic congestion in Europe.

There is still no sign of it on the horizon. People stuck in traffic 3 hours a day are told 'sure buses (stuck in the same traffic) are enough' by mostly rural TDs who determine the fate of the GDRs commuters. Successive governments have failed to properly develop an absolutely vital modern commuter rail system for the city. It has got to the point now whereby multinationals are even complaining about it.

However Xhamster to Ballymagash for the same cost as both the MetroLink and DartUNDERGROUND combined = BLANK CHEQUE written by same TDs.

and you wonder why people are angry about this Rural Broadband bull****?

My bad you are correct everything should stop until we get Dublin sorted.

Thelonious Monk

realdanbreen wrote: »

So you reckon being able to walk to O'Connell street meeting 'all the people' and 'hearing some foreign accents' means you are living the life!

Yes us sophisticated city folk are social animals

smelly sock

MrAbyss wrote: »

Why? Colossal money to spend on fiber to every rural home when 5G is around the corner.

Billions for something that will obsolete in a year or two.

1. 5G is not the answer. A solution to hook up the most isolated and rural areas for sure but it's not a replacement for fixed line BB.

2. Fibre will not be obsolete in a year or two.

3. General election on the horizon. This is vote buying. Don't expect 75% of the dwellings to actually ever be hooked up or hooked up in the next 10 years.

jmayo

OneEightSeven wrote: »

5G is useless in rural areas and fibre will never be obsolete, it's the pinnacle of internet connectivity, but Starlink will be available next year and unlike conventional satellite, these are low-earth orbit so latency is much lower. It's around 30ms, which is comparable to Virgin Media. It a disgrace that the taxpayer should have to subsidise the broadband of those who built cheap bungalows in the backarse of nowhere, when high speed broadband is commercially viable in urban areas. This country doesn't have a broadband problem, we have a one off housing problem

We're about to waste €3bn on something that technology will solve in the near future and it will be commercially viable. The only reason why the government are doing is for votes, they don't have the testicular fortitude to explain to bungalow dwellers that us urban dwellers pay more money for our homes to get services like high speed broadband. Instead they make bogus comparisons to the electrification of Ireland to play up the importance of this project.

Another thing, it's mostly Dublin who is paying for this. County Dublin makes up 28.3% of our population, but generates 57% of our tax revenue and only 2.3% of homes in the intervention area are located in County Dublin. Basically, what the government are doing is taking urban dwellers tax money and using it to buy votes from people who built cheap bungalows and have much larger gardens than urban dwellers.

Well Piechart man/woman/whatever are we going to start going down this shyte route about what Dublin contributes ?
What if South County Dublin started complaining about wasting money on all the leechers north of the Liffey or Clontraf people started complaining about Finglas ?
Where does it end ehhh ?

And I bet you would be one of the ones driving or worse still cycling out in the country of a weekend probably complaining about the locals having the temerity to be out and about minding their own business and getting in your way or worse still wrecking the roads you want to enjoy.

MrAbyss wrote: »

So we cancel the Metro and let Dublin die so people in Achill can stream Netflx faster?

But don't a lot of jackeens want to transplant half of Africa & Asia to Achill so surely they must have some decent broadband to keep in contact with their relatives back home or at least possibly surf some of those internet sites recruiting them for exotic travel and adventures in the Middle East.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Water where i live comes from reservoirs nearby in Wicklow. It is a lot easier for services to he provided to large populations rather than one off housing but you farming folk dont seem to be very bright when it comes to these matters.

Which one, just asking for a friend like.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Drumcondra is a great area, walking distance to the centre of Dublin, amazing pubs and restaurants. You'd probably find it intimidating with all the people and life in the place though, maybe even some foreign accents.

Ah yes Drumcondra the heartland of bertie.

BTW on topic I think this rural broadband plan is a waste of money and a scam to win votes whilst at the same time it makes some people pretty rich.
Sure the civil servants working on this plan over the last number of years must have made a packet without any real concrete developments to date.
We surely are a great little country with the way we waste money talking about things spending millions with nothing to show for it.

I live in the country and don't expect services that I would get in major metropolis.
I expect half decent broadband, but not fibre to my door.

Thelonious Monk

jmayo wrote: »

But don't a lot of jackeens want to transplant half of Africa & Asia to Achill so surely they must have some decent broadband to keep in contact with their relatives back home or at least possibly surf some of those internet sites recruiting them for exotic travel and adventures in the Middle East.

Poulaphuca.
And yes we do want to put foreigners out there, you're all so bloody ugly and inbred a bit of mixing might help you

jmayo

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Poulaphuca.
And yes we do want to put foreigners out there, you're all so bloody ugly and inbred a bit of mixing might help you

That rich coming from a dub.
And yes we know that the dubs bred with anything and everything.
Sure why else were ye so enthralled with the British Army.

Gary kk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Poulaphuca.
And yes we do want to put foreigners out there, you're all so bloody ugly and inbred a bit of mixing might help you

Ah now my mother tells me i am good looking.

Thelonious Monk

jmayo wrote: »

That rich coming from a dub.
And yes we know that the dubs bred with anything and everything.
Sure why else were ye so enthralled with the British Army.

Yes Brits, immigrants, all sorts we'd get up on, that's why the best looking people are here.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Water where i live comes from reservoirs nearby in Wicklow. It is a lot easier for services to he provided to large populations rather than one off housing but you farming folk dont seem to be very bright when it comes to these matters.

So back to attacking the poster when you can't attack the point?

MrAbyss wrote: »

Why? Am I entitled to Agricultural Subsidies living in my flat in Drumcondra too?

Of course you are. All you have to do is buy or rent some land, show that you're working it and send your application in March.

Online.

Because that's mandated by regulations.

Which can get rather difficult when you don't have access to broadband but use of it is mandated.

I can forward you some websites showing land for sale/rent when you indicate what part of the country you wish to proceed in.

Eggs For Dinner

MrAbyss wrote: »

So we cancel the Metro and let Dublin die so people in Achill can stream Netflx faster?

That's so far from what I posted that you obviously dont get the point I was making

jmayo

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes Brits, immigrants, all sorts we'd get up on, that's why the best looking people are here.

Easy ehh.

What was that old joke about the working girl that came over from Britain to service the sailors when the JFK was in town claiming that the natives were giving it away for free.

You do know must dubs are descended from country people somewhere along the line, something a fair amount of you forget.

Sure a lot of the much vaunted dub football team have country roots, including from counties they have beaten for the All-Ireland ala Mayo and Kerry.

NIMAN

Got to agree with OP on this, and I'm a rural household.

I heard plan is to take 7 years. So they are going to get everyone 50meg or something? 50meg will be slow in 3 years time, never mind 7.

Wanderer78

NIMAN wrote:

I heard plan is to take 7 years. So they are going to get everyone 50meg or something? 50meg will be slow in 3 years time, never mind 7.

If they manage to get fiber to every home, speeds will probably never be an issue

Idbatterim

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

There’s an election in May, hence the mad panic to get this signed off. It’s purely political.

It’s ridiculous. The three billion could be far better spent. It’s so typical of here , talk about it for years and commit to it , when technology is already there to address the issue. And certainly by the time this project is delivered , if it’s delivered , the newer technology will be even better. They have this issue in Germany in some areas and opted for wireless. I’d trust their judgement far more then the morons here

realdanbreen

Idbatterim wrote: »

It’s ridiculous. The three billion could be far better spent. It’s so typical of here , talk about it for years and commit to it , when technology is already there to address the issue. And certainly by the time this project is delivered , if it’s delivered , the newer technology will be even better. They have this issue in Germany in some areas and opted for wireless. I’d trust their judgement far more then the morons here

I know, think of how many methadone clinics could be built for that!

Gary kk

Idbatterim wrote: »

It’s ridiculous. The three billion could be far better spent. It’s so typical of here , talk about it for years and commit to it , when technology is already there to address the issue. And certainly by the time this project is delivered , if it’s delivered , the newer technology will be even better. They have this issue in Germany in some areas and opted for wireless. I’d trust their judgement far more then the morons here

I think you may do some more research

tom1ie

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You need to understand rural dwellers are every bit entitled to have broadband access as our urban counterparts. Society dude.

Yes all well and good if you pay for it. Small villages should have access to this fiber roll out, one off housing shouldn’t unless your going to pay for the infrastructure required to get the fiber to your house, ie poles, fiber cable, overhead hardware etc.

tom1ie

This should not be a Dublin vs the rest thread. The nbp is a good idea if it was being rolled out to all population centers, ie villages with 100 or more dwellings/buisness.
Delivering it to one off housing is nuts and does not make sense.

MrAbyss

MrAbyss wrote: »

Why? Am I entitled to Agricultural Subsidies living in my flat in Drumcondra too?

Yes you are, every time you buy food produced in Ireland you are receiving an agricultural subsidy. Your food would be far far more expensive without them, making food cheaper is one of the main reasons they exist.

Fibre broadband is vital for rural Ireland, a crowd of jackeens complaining about it should pull their head out of their arse and realise people living rurally benefit from almost none of the services they get, nor do we want most of them but BB is one that we do and we are getting it.

Thelonious Monk

Cassidy Stale Chimp wrote: »

Yes you are, every time you buy food produced in Ireland you are receiving an agricultural subsidy. Your food would be far far more expensive without them, making food cheaper is one of the main reasons they exist.

Fibre broadband is vital for rural Ireland, a crowd of jackeens complaining about it should pull their head out of their arse and realise people living rurally benefit from almost none of the services they get, nor do we want most of them but BB is one that we do and we are getting it.

If you don't get any services, why don't you live in an urban area? You can't have your cake and eat it.

rossie1977

This is the time when we should be rolling out large infrastructure projects across the country.

You cannot ignore rural Ireland either. Still makes up majority of population and if you continue to cut services and not investing in other areas you will end up with a powder keg like we have seen in France.

realdanbreen

When they are rolling out the fibre to my house I wonder if they could lay some sewage pipes at the same time. At present I have to run a pipe about 50 yards to the small river at the back of the house but it can be very awkward at times.

Snow Garden

realdanbreen wrote: »

When they are rolling out the fibre to my house I wonder if they could lay some sewage pipes at the same time. At present I have to run a pipe about 50 yards to the small river at the back of the house but it can be very awkward at times.

Whats awkward about it?

recyclebin

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Less success and infrastructure in Dublin means less money for you culchie plebs in your ugly bungalows, dont bite the hand that feeds you

Funny you mention food. You wouldn't last long if us country folk stopped supplying you food from our farms.

And as for pie chart man. How much of that revenue was generated in Dublin, and not funneled through it just for tax purposes.

BTW I'm loving this thread. Its like the glory days of after hours. Great slagging back and forth.

realdanbreen

Snow Garden wrote: »

Whats awkward about it?

You know yourself the way the pipe gets clogged every now and then and I have to throw bleach and all sorts of stuff in to free it up.

listermint

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Water where i live comes from reservoirs nearby in Wicklow. It is a lot easier for services to he provided to large populations rather than one off housing but you farming folk dont seem to be very bright when it comes to these matters.

So it's wicklows water then not Dublin's ?

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If you don't get any services, why don't you live in an urban area? You can't have your cake and eat it.

I don't have no service, we have less services most of which we either part or fully fund for ourselves on top of paying large amounts of tax which provides these services to townies. Aside from BB I don't want nor need many of the other services but they are still provided and used by people in urban areas yet they complain like spoilt children when the very rare occurrence happens of a service being provided to rural areas.

I couldn't stand living in a shoebox in an urban area to be honest and Im afraid to tell you that I'm fully entitled to do this and some vital services should be provided to the large proportion of the population who live outside cities. It's borderline discrimination some of the bull you hear out of jackeens especially.

realdanbreen

recyclebin wrote: »

Funny you mention food. You wouldn't last long if us country folk stopped supplying you food from our farms.

And as for pie chart man. How much of that revenue was generated in Dublin, and not funneled through it just for tax purposes.

BTW I'm loving this thread. Its like the glory days of after hours. Great slagging back and forth.

They wouldn't last a month in the country. Look at those urban folk in I'm a celebrity get me out of here. Put a feed of critters on top of them and they're ready to faint! A country lad would let his ears back and gobble them up.

xckjoo

Cassidy Stale Chimp wrote: »

I don't have no service, we have less services most of which we either part or fully fund for ourselves on top of paying large amounts of tax which provides these services to townies. Aside from BB I don't want nor need many of the other services but they are still provided and used by people in urban areas yet they complain like spoilt children when the very rare occurrence happens of a service being provided to rural areas.

I couldn't stand living in a shoebox in an urban area to be honest and Im afraid to tell you that I'm fully entitled to do this and some vital services should be provided to the large proportion of the population who live outside cities. It's borderline discrimination some of the bull you hear out of jackeens especially.

Aren't you also wanting a ring road built that'll cost about e600 million so you can drive everywhere faster? Despite the research showing it won't help traffic congestion in the city and you admitting that peak traffic hours don't actually effect you? :pac:

There's a lot to be said for going back to the old village/town setup. Best compromise IMO

tom1ie

Cassidy Stale Chimp wrote: »

I don't have no service, we have less services most of which we either part or fully fund for ourselves on top of paying large amounts of tax which provides these services to townies. Aside from BB I don't want nor need many of the other services but they are still provided and used by people in urban areas yet they complain like spoilt children when the very rare occurrence happens of a service being provided to rural areas.

I couldn't stand living in a shoebox in an urban area to be honest and Im afraid to tell you that I'm fully entitled to do this and some vital services should be provided to the large proportion of the population who live outside cities. It's borderline discrimination some of the bull you hear out of jackeens especially.

What services in particular are part or fully funded by yourselves?

tom1ie

tom1ie wrote: »

What services in particular are part or fully funded by yourselves?

Sewage, water (private water scheme), waste water, our road was improved with all work (aside from taring) being either done by us, funded or partly funded by us. Significant costs in adding a new electricity connection and higher electricity costs, when we do get fibre BB (which eir stopped 200m from the house) we will pay to actually get in ran into the house.

We provide all our own transport, provide our own waste collection and deposit at a collection facility, our own recycling and deposit at a recycling facility.

Also in a time of major housing shortage we are providing land to build my own new house on and will construct a house that would not exist were it not for providing our own land to do so.

BoldReason

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If you don't get any services, why don't you live in an urban area? You can't have your cake and eat it.

Why in the name of holy god would you have a cake and not be able to eat it.
The only point of having a cake is to indeed eat the bloody thing.



Just saying......

Cyrus

Cassidy Stale Chimp wrote: »

Also in a time of major housing shortage we are providing land to build my own new house on and will construct a house that would not exist were it not for providing our own land to do so.

LOL

yeah you building a one off country house is a real contribution to the major housing shortage, i thought the planning departments were tasked with preventing this burdensome carry on. :pac:

tom1ie

Cassidy Stale Chimp wrote: »

Sewage, water (private water scheme), waste water, our road was improved with all work (aside from taring) being either done by us, funded or partly funded by us. Significant costs in adding a new electricity connection and higher electricity costs, when we do get fibre BB (which eir stopped 200m from the house) we will pay to actually get in ran into the house.

We provide all our own transport, provide our own waste collection and deposit at a collection facility, our own recycling and deposit at a recycling facility.

Also in a time of major housing shortage we are providing land to build my own new house on and will construct a house that would not exist were it not for providing our own land to do so.

So you had to pay to get a new electricity connection from the ESB.
Do you have to pay to get a fibre broadband connection under this new national broadband plan?

Thelonious Monk

Cyrus wrote: »

LOL

yeah you building a one off country house is a real contribution to the major housing shortage, i thought the planning departments were tasked with preventing this burdensome carry on. :pac:

Sooner or later the whole of Ireland will just be like the below pic, I don't know how they'll all cope being that close to one another

tom1ie

tom1ie wrote: »

So you had to pay to get a new electricity connection from the ESB.
Do you have to pay to get a fibre broadband connection under this new national broadband plan?

Yes you will have to pay for the installation from a fibre splitter on a nearby pole to your home.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Cassidy Stale Chimp wrote: »

Sewage, water (private water scheme), waste water, our road was improved with all work (aside from taring) being either done by us, funded or partly funded by us. Significant costs in adding a new electricity connection and higher electricity costs, when we do get fibre BB (which eir stopped 200m from the house) we will pay to actually get in ran into the house.

We provide all our own transport, provide our own waste collection and deposit at a collection facility, our own recycling and deposit at a recycling facility.

Also in a time of major housing shortage we are providing land to build my own new house on and will construct a house that would not exist were it not for providing our own land to do so.

It’s really stretching things to paint this as an altruistic act. :pac:

andekwarhola

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You need to understand rural dwellers are every bit entitled to have broadband access as our urban counterparts. Society dude.

Not interested in the urban rural debate. It definitely needs to be run out to all villages and towns but not sure if high speed broadband is exactly a human right if you've chosen to build once off housing outside villages and towns.

No more than you can expect pubs, shops, street lighting etc. That's not a slight to rural communities, just common economic sense.

As people are so fond of sermonizing about their wonderful McMansions, peace and quiet and scenery, I would have thought the relative lack of luxury infrastructure was all part of the package.

Cyrus

Cyrus wrote: »

LOL

yeah you building a one off country house is a real contribution to the major housing shortage, i thought the planning departments were tasked with preventing this burdensome carry on. :pac:

That's more of a problem with Irish perceptions towards apartment blocks and skyrises. A lot of the problems for Dublin housing could be fixed with apartment complexes similar to they have in China. My own apartment complex has six towers each with 26 floors, 6 apartments to a floor. Reasonably spacious compared to many apartments I've experienced in Europe too.

Anyway, there are plenty of housing estates throughout the countryside which have empty houses, because some people in Dublin don't want to live far from their mothers. The housing estate I have my own house in Cork, has three empty houses, and they can't get any decent renters in. Everyone in the estate is naturally afraid the council will step in, and place some travellers.. and down goes the value for the whole estate. If Dubliners who had little reason to be in Dublin, left for other parts of the country then some of the problems would be alleviated... but they won't. Because Dublin comes first for just about everything.

Cassidy Stale Chimp wrote: »

Sewage, water (private water scheme), waste water, our road was improved with all work (aside from taring) being either done by us, funded or partly funded by us. Significant costs in adding a new electricity connection and higher electricity costs, when we do get fibre BB (which eir stopped 200m from the house) we will pay to actually get in ran into the house.

Agreed. My parents home in the West is paid in majority by them. All the facilities around them were paid and maintained by the local community group.

We provide all our own transport, provide our own waste collection and deposit at a collection facility, our own recycling and deposit at a recycling facility.
.

Public transportation in many rural areas is beyond a joke.. which is why it's mostly funded and worked by local people.

rossie1977 wrote: »

This is the time when we should be rolling out large infrastructure projects across the country.

You cannot ignore rural Ireland either. Still makes up majority of population and if you continue to cut services and not investing in other areas you will end up with a powder keg like we have seen in France.

Exactly... but whenever Ireland has money to spend it's focused on the cities and one city in particular. Rural Ireland, and the range of towns are generally far down the list of priorities. And it's easily seen when you drive through essentially deserted towns like Longford. Ugh. It's a ****hole but it's a ****hole because there's never really been any decent attention given to it. Same with dozens of other towns across Ireland which have become gutted in recent years... but nobody really wants to fix the problem.

snotboogie

Irish people have a horrible knowledge of the demography of our own country. There are massive gradients of urbanisation ranging from Dublin to one off country houses but we only seem aware of the two extremes.

Plumbthedepths

Nermal wrote: »

Sure, so long as you pay what it costs and don't demand the rest of us to subsidise you.

Not how it works chief. ;-)

jmayo

Cyrus wrote: »

LOL

yeah you building a one off country house is a real contribution to the major housing shortage, i thought the planning departments were tasked with preventing this burdensome carry on. :pac:

Well he isn't asking tha taxpayers, which according to some only exist in Dublin, to pay for the fooking thing now is he?

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Sooner or later the whole of Ireland will just be like the below pic, I don't know how they'll all cope being that close to one another

This is what decent housing in cities used to look like. ..



Then it started to go like this ...



You may make jokes about the country but sooner or later Dublin is going to go like this or you will be living in the country.

Cyrus

jmayo wrote: »

Well he isn't asking tha taxpayers, which according to some only exist in Dublin, to pay for the fooking thing now is he?

It was him making it out like it was some public service chief

Mickey Mike

Just came across this topic. I live in rural Ireland, it was this time last year when we got connected to eir fibre optic broadband, and now we'll never look back, a 4g network that can work multiple devices. Expensive I know but they must be watched, a deal is a deal and you are the customer.