Tesla Cybertruck

Marlow

ELM327 wrote: »

I suspect these things are , while technically illegal, not policed on private vehicles.

10% overload is generally ok.

Ireland is shocking for not policing a lot of this. On the continent .. lets say in Denmark and Germany for example, it would be a no go.

I mean, even when you import vehicles here, the motortax offices often enter the weights incorrectly. I have a van, that I brought in, and the lady in the motortax office entered the unladen weight from the weighbridge docket as the unladen weight and then the gross weight from the docket as the GVW.

So .. that would be a load capacity of 80 kg (the difference, the weighbridge subtracted from the weight to accomodate for fuel in the tank). I pointed out to her, that filling the tank and me sitting in it would mean, the vehicle would be overweight, if she did it like that. She didn't cop on. I had to escalate it to the head of motortax in my county, to get her to enter the values right.

Her excuse: "We've done it like that for the last 20 years".

/M

Lumen

Marlow wrote: »

1I mean, even when you import vehicles here, the motortax offices often enter the weights incorrectly

I imported a car and the idiot with the pen/keyboard transposed an S for a 5 in the VIN.

This was fine for about 10 years, and then they started checking the VIN in the NCT, and I started failing. I finally got it sorted this year, receiving a new logbook a couple of days before the NCT centres shut for lockdown.

I now have a very useless driveway ornament with no NCT, all the NCT centres are still closed and there are checkpoints everywhere.

Admittedly it's my fault for not correcting their mistake sooner, but it still irks me that the error was made in the first place.

YOU HAD ONE JOB etc....

Anyway, I now slightly want a Cybertruck, if they go ahead and make the small version.

Marlow

Lumen wrote: »

I imported a car and the idiot with the pen/keyboard transposed an S for a 5 in the VIN.

Don't get me started on driveway ornaments based on things that were enforced later on, but loads of mistakes or procedural mishaps done before.

Try to tax a car that is M1 category commercially and see, what happens. Even though said vehicle always has been taxed commercially. An ownership change and you're literally screwed. Because as of 2010 or thereabouts M1 vehicles can not be taxed commercially. The issue is, that loads were imported as M1, converted to commercially before being sold from new and due to a 6 month time delay between the vehicle being registered in Rosslare and Shannon processing them as commercial, they just left them M1. Couldn't be bothered. Now .. there is that excemption for vehicles before 2010 or thereabouts, but a lot of motortax office staff don't read that part until you point their nose at it.

/M

zg3409

Lumen wrote: »

Anyway, I now slightly want a Cybertruck, if they go ahead and make the small version.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/854143/tesla-cybertruck-wont-be-five-per-cent-smaller-after-all-compact-ute-could-follow/

Won't be 5% smaller but slightly smaller

Lumen

zg3409 wrote: »

https://www.caradvice.com.au/854143/tesla-cybertruck-wont-be-five-per-cent-smaller-after-all-compact-ute-could-follow/

Won't be 5% smaller but slightly smaller

Elon and Franz should take a brocation to Japan to check out Kei trucks. Or even better, set up an Japanese design centre.

If there's only major fault of Tesla design, it's that it's very US-centric.

unkel

Lumen wrote: »

Elon and Franz should take a brocation to Japan to check out Kei trucks.

LOL!

I think it is their job to tackle the EV preconceptions we have in the west and to get us to start changing our ways. Cybertruck is very much top of that list, would be amazing to see it sell well in the USA and replace traditional gas trucks. Model 3 is now the best selling vehicle in California. The biggest vehicle market within the USA. This is no small feat.

The Chinese in the meantime can borrow and steal from Tesla and they will serve the global market for cheap EVs well in years to come

ELM327

I have no interest in buying a small truck.
Something 1500/2500 size would be ideal.

liamog

ELM327 wrote: »

I have no interest in buying a small truck.
Something 1500/2500 size would be ideal.

This size should do you

ELM327

No no, how would I be #compensatin there.

Silent Running

liamog wrote: »

This size should do you

That would only be 1275.

ted1

Lumen wrote: »

Elon and Franz should take a brocation to Japan to check out Kei trucks. Or even better, set up an Japanese design centre.

If there's only major fault of Tesla design, it's that it's very US-centric.

They have set up a design centre in China.
Fir obvious reasons Tesla’s are very similar looking to Mazdas , a Japanese car.

Also they are sedans which aren’t very American

unkel

ted1 wrote: »

Fir obvious reasons Tesla’s are very similar looking to Mazdas , a Japanese car.

That's cos Franz designed the Mazda 6

cnocbui

unkel wrote: »

LOL!

I think it is their job to tackle the EV preconceptions we have in the west and to get us to start changing our ways. Cybertruck is very much top of that list, would be amazing to see it sell well in the USA and replace traditional gas trucks. Model 3 is now the best selling vehicle in California. The biggest vehicle market within the USA. This is no small feat.

The Chinese in the meantime can borrow and steal from Tesla and they will serve the global market for cheap EVs well in years to come

There should be a caveat on that:

There should be an asterisk with this data, though. Q1 was the start of stay-at-home orders across the US to combat the coronavirus pandemic, and some California areas were the first to implement such policies. Thus, traditional dealerships closed their doors as non-essential businesses went dark for a period of time. That likely left a lot of shoppers out of the market for the time being. At the end of the day, Honda only needed to sell 855 more Civics to strip the Model 3 of its title.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-model-3-california-best-selling-car/

Lumen

ted1 wrote: »

They have set up a design centre in China.

I'm struggling to think of any interesting industrial design coming out of China, though I would welcome my preconceptions being overturned.

Lumen

unkel wrote: »

I think it is their job to tackle the EV preconceptions we have in the west and to get us to start changing our ways

"We have in the west" is where I disagree.

I think I understand the cultural links between Ireland and the US, but practically speaking our built environment has little in common.

They're building a truck for Americans.

unkel

Lumen wrote: »

They're building a truck for Americans.

Indeed. No argument there. Now if they succeed in this last bastion of the US vehicle market and convince the redneck to buy a cybertruck next - let's not forget the Ford F150 pick up truck is the best selling vehicle over there - then the global electrification battle is effectively won. And that is exactly what Musk set out to do.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Indeed. No argument there. Now if they succeed in this last bastion of the US vehicle market and convince the redneck to buy a cybertruck next - let's not forget the Ford F150 pick up truck is the best selling vehicle over there - then the global electrification battle is effectively won. And that is exactly what Musk set out to do.

They've convinced this wannabe redneck so that's at least 25% of the way there. My last pickup was a 7.3 litre diesel V8

ted1

unkel wrote: »

That's cos Franz designed the Mazda 6

That’s the obvious reason ....

ted1

Lumen wrote: »

I'm struggling to think of any interesting industrial design coming out of China, though I would welcome my preconceptions being overturned.

Might be worth reading : https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/chinas-design-revolution

Widdensushi

So basically instead of making the truck a size that would work for the American and international market they are making it for the American Market and a smaller one later for the rest of the world.Anyone living in Europe who have reserved one will be left with a totally impractical vehicle, that even the manufacturer say is not suitable for our roads, carparks etc

ELM327

Plenty of people driving dodge rams, ford, chevy pickups in Europe.
There's specialist importers even selling them new

Won't be an issue.

Widdensushi

ELM327 wrote: »

Plenty of people driving dodge rams, ford, chevy pickups in Europe.
There's specialist importers even selling them new

Won't be an issue.

Not plenty, many of the people with those vehicles would be multiple vehicle owners, for people who will have access to one vehicle they won't be practical.

Marlow

Widdensushi wrote: »

Not plenty, many of the people with those vehicles would be multiple vehicle owners, for people who will have access to one vehicle they won't be practical.

I don't know. That's a matter of opinion.

People who only have access to one vehicle or don't like big vehicles can always buy a Model 3. And then get Simone to chop it for them

Why would somebody, that wants a Mini or a Nissan Micra go out and buy a Cybertruck anyhow ?

Having said that .. maybe they decided to make Truckla after all .. since they saw the result of her chop job.

/M

ELM327

Widdensushi wrote: »

Not plenty, many of the people with those vehicles would be multiple vehicle owners, for people who will have access to one vehicle they won't be practical.

I've had multple and ran 1500 chevys as dailys for some time.
They even fit in the multi story town center carpark where I was.


Easier to live with size wise than the Tesla S i have now anyway.

Widdensushi

ELM327 wrote: »

I've had multple and ran 1500 chevys as dailys for some time.
They even fit in the multi story town center carpark where I was.


Easier to live with size wise than the Tesla S i have now anyway.

Just compared dimensions of a 3% smaller production model to the amarok and not as big a difference as I thought, half a metre longer but only 20 mm wider and 10 mm higher.

ELM327

An amarok is quite small.
I would suggest the Ranger is currently the biggest EU/non US pickup available.
It's a midsize truck (one size below 1500/150) in the US, but it's pretty close to the F150 in size.

Pkiernan

ELM327 wrote: »

An amarok is quite small.
I would suggest the Ranger is currently the biggest EU/non US pickup available.
It's a midsize truck (one size below 1500/150) in the US, but it's pretty close to the F150 in size.

The F150 is much bigger.
With both in crewcab form the f150 is almost 3 feet longer.

It's also 6 inches taller and wider.

https://www.greatlakesfordofmuskegon.net/research/ford-f-150-vs-ranger.htm#size


Regardless, I'm praying the cyber truck will be available here. It'll be my next vehicle.

ELM327

It's 3foot longer if you take t he 8ft bed (vs the ranger <6ft) and the crewcab which is much longer than the ranger.

A couple of inches taller and wider is more what I was saying. And the 150/1500 size pickups have gotten more and more bloated as the years go by. My last 1500 chevy was from 1998 and in all areas except bed length, the current ranger is bigger.

josip

How does the cyber truck compare in size to a Hummer?
I remember one of those parked outside our offices in the 90s.
It was very distinctive also.

unkel

josip wrote: »

How does the cyber truck compare in size to a Hummer?
I remember one of those parked outside our offices in the 90s.
It was very distinctive also.

Cybertruck is nowhere near as wide as a Hummer. The latter was made so it can drive on full size truck axle paths