Tesla Cybertruck

Pkiernan

ELM327 wrote: »

It's 3foot longer if you take t he 8ft bed (vs the ranger <6ft) and the crewcab which is much longer than the ranger.

A couple of inches taller and wider is more what I was saying. And the 150/1500 size pickups have gotten more and more bloated as the years go by. My last 1500 chevy was from 1998 and in all areas except bed length, the current ranger is bigger.

Must have been a tiny 1500.

My 1500 HD dwarfed the rangers back I 2003

ELM327

Pkiernan wrote: »

Must have been a tiny 1500.

My 1500 HD dwarfed the rangers back I 2003

The 1500 (it was a GMC sierra 1500 with 350ci vortec v8 and crew cab body with 6ft bed) was much bigger than the ranger then, I'm comparing that sierra to the ranger of today.

80sDiesel

So is a Category C (Rigid Truck) licence required for the Cybertruck ? Thinking I probably should start getting the ball rolling on this.

pdpmur

80sDiesel wrote: »

So is a Category C (Rigid Truck) licence required for the Cybertruck ? Thinking I probably should start getting the ball rolling on this.

It depends on the weight of the towed trailer that Tesla gets type approval for.
If you only have a category B licence at present then you might want to start thinking about making arrangements.
If you have a category BE licence then you might be ok, depending on ole elon's testosterone levels on the day that he's filling out the forms..

unkel

If you don't intend to tow with it then a car with a max mass of 3,500kg is ok on a B licence. Does the cybertruck go over that?

graememk

unkel wrote: »

If you don't intend to tow with it then a car with a max mass of 3,500kg is ok on a B licence. Does the cybertruck go over that?

Yeah all goes on the weight of the vehicle, over 3.5t you need a c1 licence (and if your old enough you might already have one!), sister needed one to drive an ambulance.

The E bit of the licences are for towing, I think a BE licence allows up to 3.5 t but that is dependent on the plates on the vehicle towing (and whats plated on the trailer too) that's also gross weight (trailer and load)

dh1985

unkel wrote: »

If you don't intend to tow with it then a car with a max mass of 3,500kg is ok on a B licence. Does the cybertruck go over that?

Seems to be spec'd at 6500lbs max or 3000kg

unkel

That's the max total mass including payload, yeah? If so it's fine on your normal licence if you only tow a little trailer then

Marlow

unkel wrote: »

That's the max total mass including payload, yeah? If so it's fine on your normal licence if you only tow a little trailer then

If you're on a B-license, the small trailer (that you're allowed to tow) goes on top of the 3.5t GVW.

If youre' on a B/E-license, you're allowed to tow whatever the vehicle is plated for but to a max of 3.5t.

For a 2WD, the absolute max plated towing weight is the GVW of the towing car. For a 4WD the absolute max plated towing weight is 1.5x the GVW of the towing car .... to an absolute max of 3.5t of course.

It's only when the GVW of the towing car exceeds 3.5t, that you need a C1 license.

I hope that's clear enough. And yes .. I do have a B/E license since i was 19 years old and got that in a country, that actually requires you to properly study for it and pass the test on all aspects .. even back then, which is 24 years back. I also hold a C/E and A license.

Those rules are common for all EU, so also apply to current irish licenses.

/M

unkel

So what I was saying was right then? That if the total combined gross weight of the car + trailer is less than 3,500kg, you can drive on a B licence? As in say the cybertruck has a total gross weight of 3000kg and the small trailer has a total gross weight of 500kg? That's the way I've always understood it.

Marlow

unkel wrote: »

So what I was saying was right then? That if the total combined gross weight of the car + trailer is less than 3,500kg, you can drive on a B licence? As in say the cybertruck has a total gross weight of 3000kg and the small trailer has a total gross weight of 500kg? That's the way I've always understood it.

No. Even better.

If the Tesla Cybertruck comes in at 3.5t GVW or less, then anyone that has a B-license can drive it and tow a trailer up to 750kg GVW on top of the GVW of the Cybertruck. On a B license !!

If the trailer is beyond that, you need B/E.

If the Cybertruck is beyond 3.5t GVW, you need C1.

If the Cybertruck is beyond 3.5t GVW and you want to tow a trailer, then you need C1+E.

I see scenario 1+2 as the most likely. Otherwise, it'll be a real pain for a lot of people. And that will not help sales. So, no matter what notion Elon has .. he will make that happen. He's not known for ignoring market advantages.

And honestly .. even bigger things than that come in at 3.5t GVW or less .. I own a few of them .. and they are bigger than most people like to drive.

Oh .. and again .. as those rules are sort of unified across the EU, Tesla is NOT going to ignore them. So I would say, those (like me) who indeed have put deposit down .. are grand. Unless you want to pull a 5th wheel caravan with it ... then I'll be grand .. the rest of you may not

/M

unkel

Marlow wrote: »

No. Even better.

If the Tesla Cybertruck comes in at 3.5t GVW or less, then anyone that has a B-license can drive it and tow a trailer up to 750kg GVW on top of the GVW of the Cybertruck. On a B license !!

Ah yeah I remember now. Thanks for the update.

And I was just browsing some specs of massive Dethleffs motorhomes and they all seem to have a GVW of 3499kg, I wonder why

Marlow

unkel wrote: »

Ah yeah I remember now. Thanks for the update.

And I was just browsing some specs of massive Dethleffs motorhomes and they all seem to have a GVW of 3499kg, I wonder why

For THAT exactly same reason. They'd even be safe at 3500kg .. but in case Dethleffs just wanted to make sure, that potential future business never would be scoopered by future desk jockeys. For the sake of 1kg. It's called future planning.

It's the same with 8-seaters vs. 9-seaters. Do we include the drivers seat or not ? .. NO we do not. But the irish toll-bridges got that one arse-wise.

/M

traco

If its over 3500kg and C1 then won't it need a tacho fitted or is that only applicable to commercial use?

Pkiernan

Any update if its even going to be made for the Oz/UK/Irl market?

ELM327

It's like the F250 I had, gross unladen weight was 3.25t, but was plated as 3.5t GVWR (not from factory).
The towing stuff is irrelevant, the B v C license starts and ends with the GVWR. It can be plated to tow 20t but if the GVWR is 3.499t you can drive it on a car license

ELM327

Pkiernan wrote: »

Any update if its even going to be made for the Oz/UK/Irl market?

They have said it will be global and nothing has been changed since then.
Can't see why it wouldnt come here.

Pkiernan

ELM327 wrote: »

They have said it will be global and nothing has been changed since then.
Can't see why it wouldnt come here.

Only question for me it dual or tri motor and what colour wrap ill put on it!

ELM327

Have reserved tri motor and won't be wrapping it

unkel

Wrapping it? The whole point about the Cybertruck is that it doesn't need any paint, it doesn't need to be pussyfooted with!

80sDiesel

ELM327 wrote: »

Have reserved tri motor and won't be wrapping it

Dual motor . Definitely not wrapping either.

ELM327

For sure. That's one of the huge advantages for me. Wont have to be so anal about not scraping it.

unkel

You'd nearly scrape it off a few concrete walls in an underground car park just for the craic

graememk

unkel wrote: »

You'd nearly scrape it off a few concrete walls in an underground car park just for the craic

Some go faster stripes! Gateposts work well for that too

unkel

graememk wrote: »

Some go faster stripes! Gateposts work well for that too

I'd be afraid the gatepost would be damaged and I'd have to pay for it

Widdensushi

What price are ye expecting the dual motor one to be?

ELM327

Widdensushi wrote: »

What price are ye expecting the dual motor one to be?

Didnt they say 39k, 49k, 69k as the USD prices?
Looking at the model 3 USD:IRL prices ratio, I'd expect 50k:60k:80k here for the three variants

Widdensushi

ELM327 wrote: »

Didnt they say 39k, 49k, 69k as the USD prices?
Looking at the model 3 USD:IRL prices ratio, I'd expect 50k:60k:80k here for the three variants

Is that vat reclaimable as a commercial vehicle then?

ELM327

That's one question that hasnt' been answered yet. I'd assume it's the same as the likes of the env200, kangoo ZE etc. Vat reclaimable if bought commercially.

graememk

It should be VAT reclaimable, as long as it fits into the cargobay/passenger space ratio that the rest of the crew cab pickups do.

If it doesn't no VAT registered business would buy it.